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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:44 PM
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2 CIA deaths in Afghanistan linked to the outing of Valerie Plame?
A caller to WLS in Chicago just made a statement that I hadn't heard before. He said that the CIA said that they had two people murdered last week (I think it was last week) in Afghanistan. The caller suggested that it was unusual for the CIA to announce these deaths AND that there could be some connection to revealing the name of Valerie Plame; that they were connected to her. Has anyone heard this before?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:45 PM
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1. Ye gods! their ugly chickens coming home
to roost?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:45 PM
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2. thanks for the tip
That's something to keep on the back burner to see if anything else turns up.
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:48 PM
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3. Sounds like there is extremely little basis for these allegations
Without more information, this just sounds like rumor-mongering.

--Peter
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:56 PM
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8. Agreed
From what I read it sounds like these guys were killed during a military engagement.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:57 PM
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9. That's why it's a question.
Were there any news reports about the deaths of 2 CIA in Afghanistan in the past week or so? Wait a minute, it was the story about the contractors.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:49 PM
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4. No I haven't heard anything of the sort but that's a profound question
This is one that absolutely deserves an answer. Perhaps someone should ask the evil little simpleton* et al. If the CIA agents were linked to Plame someone must know the answer.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:50 PM
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5. Traitorgate? There were a couple of threads on DU about this recently
I think there was a link but it was kind of vague and I didn't

fully follow how the threads developed


I would like to knoe
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:51 PM
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6. I have heard this here before but never seen a link
I believe this is very likely to have happened, I'm not doubting it. But some evidence would help raise the level of seriousness of the charges (although the leaker knew there was this risk - that is what makes the action so horrific.)
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:00 PM
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10. Here's the story from October 28.
Edited on Sun Nov-02-03 03:01 PM by alcuno
WASHINGTON -- Two contractors working for the CIA were killed in an ambush in Afghanistan, the agency said Tuesday.

William Carlson, 43, of Southern Pines, N.C., and Christopher Glenn Mueller, 32, of San Diego, were "tracking terrorists operating in the region" of Shkin, a village in eastern Afghanistan, when they were killed Saturday, the CIA said in a statement.

Both were veterans of military special operations forces, the CIA said. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:03 PM
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12. Is this normal? For the CIA to release this?
The CIA releases who is "tracking terrorists?"
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 02:53 PM
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7. OMG..
first we have the soldiers who were with Jessica Lynch being knocked off one by one. Now this? The CIA needs to keep this information outed.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 04:45 PM
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18. What? Do you have a link for the Jessica Lynch info?
That is bizarre.

Eloriel
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 04:50 PM
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19. No link but several recent GD threads on it, 4 of them dead IIRC
One of them was shot at close range in his backyard bbq party by

someone who came up and shot over the fence.
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:00 PM
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11. Yes, I have heard that allegation, also
Have not yet seen or heard of any confirmation. On the other hand, how can the CIA take the risk of confirming it? If they do, that will only result in even more people being linked to either Valerie Plame or to those unfortunate CIA agents, which could then cause further deaths.

If it is true, and the CIA learns who the leaker is, there will be hell to pay.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:06 PM
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13. CIA
I think they already know the name of the leaker. If the CIA is as good as it is supposed to be they have known it for some time. They have their ways you know. I wonder what their strategy will be. Do you think they are waiting until they get more information on more people in the administration? It could be they will take down more than one or two people. My tin hat hurts today. I will remove it now.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:32 PM
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14. I already posted on this subject.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Read what Randi Rhodes says. She is usually right-on.

This ain't going away, in fact it will only get bigger.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:39 PM
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15. Thanks, c.
The Truth Will OUt.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:53 PM
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16. Good...keep it alive.
This is BushInc.'s downfall.
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itis Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 04:08 PM
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17. Richard S. Welch's case; Another unusual announcement for the CIA
Richard S. Welch's Murder (1975)
Washington Post. "Obituary: Richard S. Welch." 29 Dec. 1975, A16.
CIA chief of station, Athens, killed by Greek terrorists on 23 December 1975.

Meyer, Eugene L. "Slain CIA Agent Receives Unusual Honor." Washington Post, 31 Dec. 1975, 1.
On the return of the body of Richard C. Welch, the slain CIA chief of station, Athens, to the United States.

Stern, Laurence. "CIA Agent Welch Buried." Washington Post, 7 Jan. 1976, A1.
On burial of Richard S. Welch, the slain CIA chief of station, Athens, in Arlington National Cemetery.
http://intellit.muskingum.edu/cia_folder/cia1970s_folde...

Another fake terrorist group, N.17 was 'manufactured' then.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 06:25 PM
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21. Hi itis!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 04:51 PM
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20. I doubt it..
Maybe, but I'd bet more that they died because they're CIA agents in a place they shouldn't be.
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