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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:06 AM
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A day in the life of Tom Daschle : September 18, 2001.
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 03:30 AM by bettyellen
The same day the congressional resolution passed....September 18, 20001, changed at the last minute by Daschle to keep them from attacking Americans in our own country.... . That same day, Tom Daschle was targeted as a victim of a domestic terrorist attack, an anthrax letter was dropped in a mailbox for him.

Does anyone think the government conducted one lousy unauthorized wiretap investigating the anthrax letters?



"The congressional resolution of Sept. 18, 2001, formally titled "Authorization for the Use of Military Force," made no reference to surveillance or to the president's intelligence-gathering powers, and the Bush administration made no public claim of new authority until news accounts disclosed the secret NSA operation.

snip........

Daschle's article reveals an important new episode in the resolution's legislative history.

As drafted, and as finally passed, the resolution authorized the president "to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations or persons" who "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the Sept. 11 attacks.

"Literally minutes before the Senate cast its vote, the administration sought to add the words 'in the United States and' after 'appropriate force' in the agreed-upon text," Daschle wrote. "This last-minute change would have given the president broad authority to exercise expansive powers not just overseas -- where we all understood he wanted authority to act -- but right here in the United States, potentially against American citizens. I could see no justification for Congress to accede to this extraordinary request for additional authority. I refused.""

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


Letter sent to Daschle (postmarked Sept 18) tests positive for anthrax

"Washington - A letter sent to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle tested positive for anthrax on Monday as the bioterrorism scare rattling the nation reached the halls of Congress.In Trenton, N.J.,

Postal Inspector Tony Esposito and FBI officials said the letter to Daschle was postmarked in Trenton on Sept. 18, the same date and postmark on a letter that infected an NBC employee in New York last week."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/attack/oct01/anthrax-congr...

on edit: big credit to Madison Progressive for noticing 9/18.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:16 AM
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1. Wow!!
No wonder the Democrats were silent! And the press! I truly hope someone orders a real investigation into that Anthrax terror attack. Bush didn't seem too interested in doing so. Maybe because he was afraid of what might be revealed?

He didn't want an investigation into 9/11 either! Then there was Rockefeller's secret letter in case anything happened to him, which he let Cheney know about. What is going on in this country? And today Cheney basically threatened anyone who started looking into this!!

Everyone who knows anything and has been silent needs to speak out now, all of them at once! There is safety in numbers so now seems to be the time.

Bush lied about Congress approving of him spying on Americans! And with Daschle's revelations and Rockefeller's it's clear it was NOT approved by those who knew about it. But Bush's lie shows he got too used to Democrats going along out of fear. He must be livid that it's not happening anymore.

If there is another terror attack, I know who I will suspect right off the bat. And even my Republican, former Bush-supporting friends and family no longer find it unreasonable to wonder about what really happened on 9/11. It's hard for them to begin to learn about all this and to know they were duped. But at least I can talk to them again without a fight.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:17 AM
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3. Rate up the thread. DU needs to see this..
:kick:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:35 AM
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5. MIHOP is starting to look real. Is this why the press is all of a sudden
squealing like a bunch of stuck pigs?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:46 AM
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8. During the 9/11 hearings, remember Clarke said re the FBI
"They don't even know what they know."

Maybe the presstitutes are in the same position? Wondering what in the world they are now complicit in?
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 09:30 AM
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37. Clarke also said, at the 9/11 hearings, after
he became the first government official to apologize to the families of the 9/11 victims for the failure of the government to protect them (and I never forgot this and really wondered what he meant) 'I hope that when the American people find out the truth, they will forgive us'. That is a paraphrase, but words to that effect.

I wonder how much he knew, and if he did, why he has been silent? Or has he? I have thought for some time that some of those who had information but could not speak out (think of the atmosphere of fear that overtook the country for at least two or three years) because they would have been smeared, as were even Republicans, and totally discredited, have used the Internet, maybe posing as posters in political forums, to direct people to the truth!

We KNOW the administration's PR people did so. That was revealed in the recent article about the man who was in charge of 'selling the war'. I don't know, but it's no longer inconceivable.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 09:56 AM
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44. Well, he certainly knew that instead of being the fearless leader
that helped us through 9/11, Bush is the incompetent idiot who allowed it to happened.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 02:47 PM
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63. Clarke did speak out, in a subtle way
As the article below indicates, it is possible that Clarke was telling as much as he thought he could get away with and not be branded a "conspiracy theorist" (or some other dismissal). In fact, Michael Ruppert quotes from Clarke's "Against All Enemies" many times in "Crossing the Rubicon". These quotes are instrumental in establishing the lie to the official story of 9/11.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/040504_Clarke...

<snip>
En route to his explicit case for Bush's incompetent negligence, Clarke's narrative provides context by revisiting several other episodes of recent history, among them the crash of TWA 800 in July 1996, and the triggering of Desert Storm in 1990. My aim in discussing those incidents here is not to revisit them for their intrinsic interest, but to examine Clarke's weirdly self-defeating treatments of them in the light of his book's ostensible purpose. If I'm correct in concluding that Mr. Clarke knows full well that the official explanations are bogus and that he's implying this knowledge in these very pages, for those who can see it then his message regarding 9-11 is much more radical than it appears. He's in no position to say Bush did it. If he were to say that, the media would disappear and he could accomplish much less. Clarke must be vividly aware of this, since in Chapter 5 he tells the story of Pierre Salinger, President Kennedy's White House Press Secretary who publicly claimed in the months following the TWA 800 crash that he had radar images and documentary evidence indicating a missile had destroyed the plane. Salinger is called by an NSC staffer whacked; he's lost it. The real world is a planet he left long ago. Whatever the facts of Salinger's case, it's instructive that Clarke has chosen to invoke it here. The lesson of the Salinger anecdote is: say too much, and you won't be heard; say a little, and you might move some people.

The book that ate the month of March, 2004 has some very interesting merits. It's easy to overlook them if you're furious about the murder of three thousand people. But from a strategic point of view, this book is definitely a win for the political justice movement. On rare occasions, a certain kind of limited hangout can do more than aid the cover-up; if it comes from deep enough inside the establishment, it can quietly destabilize the cover-up, sometimes more effectively than a direct attack. That position might seem like a sell-out compromise, but let's be clear: the effective thing about Clarke's particular attack is its source and its timing not its completeness or its force (it has little of either). Finding something to applaud in Against All Enemies (and the corresponding Clarke performance in the sham hearings) does not imply that you, or I, or FTW, or the 9-11 political justice movement, should take Clarke's position. We absolutely shouldn't, because he denounces the tip of the criminal 9-11 iceberg and tacitly accepts the rest.

That much is pretty clear before you read the book. But as you make your way through it, something very interesting happens. Clarke seems to leave a trail of breadcrumbs for those who know about the dark side of September 11. It's as if he wants the better-informed among his readers to know that the book is really a politically pragmatic strike against a consortium of murderers, not the frank complaint against administration failure and incompetence that the media sees in it.

(much more at link. . .)
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:37 PM
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73. Mike Malloy has begun talking of "Truth & Reconciliation" courts -
Everyone who has done anything that has contributed to the current horror can go to court, admit what they have done, and be treated with dignity - people who have done wrong are required to make restitution to those who suffered and that is the end of their punishment. We need the truth, the whole truth - blinding sunshine on everything that has happened for the past many decades. Our best chance is Truth & Reconciliation... There are people who have acted for the sake of power alone; there are also many who acted out of duty; and many who acted on their ideals - they *believed* that what they were doing was right. I think Clarke is one of the latter.



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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:36 PM
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53. As I recall
Dan Rather got a letter, along with other members of the press.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:20 PM
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56. it was Tom Brokaw, and not to be scooped, Judy Miller got a fake one
and reenacted opening it up on a TV show, calling it a "Weapon of Mass Disruption".
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garthranzz Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 02:23 PM
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62. What does MIHOP mean? n/t
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 02:49 PM
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64. Made it Happen on Purpose.... and there is also LIHOP
Let it Happen on Purpose, both are referring to 9/11, and how PNAC spelled out that this country needed another Pearl Harbour in order to take over the middle east and it's oil reserves. they planed to go into Iraq the minute planes hit, no matter who did it, that much is documented.
find the 9/11 forum for more.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 07:02 AM
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25. What secret letter from Rockefeller?
I've missed that one, somehow.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 07:47 AM
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31. Here - in case you haven't found it yet
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:16 AM
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2. And a lot of us wondered why Tom was so quiet.
Who else is being threatened?

:kick:
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 09:32 AM
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38. I didn't wonder...
I tried to remind as many as I could here that someone in the United States tried to assassinate Senator Daschle, and what I usually
got back was "Daschle's a WIMP. Daschle's a DINO. Daschle's a mealy-mouthed idiot." and other various comments.
In all fairness, there were a good amount of people who did remember that Daschle's office got an anthrax letter, though.
But the casual brushing aside of that in face of Daschle being a "wimp" got irritating.

I lived in South Dakota for the first 18 years of my life, and Daschle was not as "timid" as people would like to think he was.
Should he have been Senate Minority Leader? Probably not, considering the times...
But he really backed down on his rhetoric once someone tried to kill him. I don't think that was a coincidence.
But I do wonder if every so often, he'd get a letter in the mail saying "tone it down or your family gets a package."
And I certainly wouldn't put it past this administration to have someone paid under the table to mail anonymous threats to him...
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 09:44 AM
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41. Daschle should be less worried about his own ass than that of his country.
If I were Senate Majority Leader, you can bet it would take more than Anthrax to shut me up about what Bush did.
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 09:52 AM
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42. How wonderfully easy for you to say that...
Behind your computer keyboard, safe as a relatively anonymous poster on a message board. It's so easy to say that
when nobody knows who you are.

It's probably a little different when you're a high-profile person with little or no protection.

I'd guess it would be a little different if a package with white powder showed up at your office and several of
your employees got sick from it...

:eyes:

But thank you very much for giving me a wonderful illustration to my prevous comment.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 09:55 AM
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43. I wouldn't have said it if I didn't mean it.
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 09:56 AM by tasteblind
I write LTTE's and have been published as a critic of the administration, and have questioned the official story of 9/11 and the anthrax attacks publicly in my own name.

You don't know anything about me, and owe me an apology.

Edit: And even so, do you honestly think your anonymity is safe here at DU? Knowing what we know about Bush's NSA program? Pretty naive.
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 10:16 AM
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45. But I'm not talking about a bunch of people who write letters...
I do it, too. I have no illusions about my anonymity.
But do you seriously think that right now, with the media in the state that it is, that this administration would
give two shits about someone spouting what can easily be labeled as a "tinfoil hat theory" in a newspaper.
(I also think that the anthrax was an inside job so we're actually on the same page in that respect.)

But are you in a position of power? Can you make a decision tomorrow that can affect thousands, if not millions of lives?
Like when that resolution was passed? Has someone tried to kill you just because of your political beliefs?

No, you've written "LTTE's and have been published as a critic of the administration, and have questioned the official story of 9/11 and the anthrax attacks publicly in my own name."
You've seen this administration at work. You know that public opinion doesn't matter to them one whit. Letters to a paper stating that this administration had a direct hand
in 9/11 and the anthrax attacks will roll off their backs, because they're just a brief blip in this frenzied era of five-second soundbites.

I say this because of who was targeted by the anthrax attacks: Several Democratic senators, Dan Rather, and the tabloid that published
unflattering pictures of the Bush twins. (That last one was just "revenge" in my opinion.) And like it or not, people pay much more attention to what
Senators do than someone who writes letters into a paper under their own name.

Do you know what that feels like for someone to actually try to kill you just because of your political beliefs? I honestly don't, and until you're in that exact situation, you can't, either.
Unless you're actually Tom Daschle posting here, which I highly doubt.
And you can say "oh, yeah, I do know what it's like because it's happened to me" until the sun explodes.
Digital characters on a computer screen can be arranged to reveal any "truth" you'd like. It doesn't mean I have to believe it.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 10:27 AM
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46. I believe that 300 million people are more important than me and mine.
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 10:31 AM by tasteblind

Edit: And I was at the protests where botulinum was found in September. I went to several protests on the Mall, fully aware that the best place to stage a fake terror attack would be at a protest.

I live in the heart of DC. If someone wanted to MIHOP us into tyranny, all they'd have to do is fly out to the ranch and nuke the joint.

I am constantly under the gun. Once again, you don't know me. Stop trying to argue when you don't know who you're talking to. You're just wrong.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 11:15 AM
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47. I think that's the poster's point. That to spout off when the deck...
...was stacked wouldn't have done a whit of good for 300 million people, and could have actually damaged Daschle's case - making it inoperative forever.

Who knows? We all weigh our options and make our decisions. Guess you'll have to ask Tom himself.

NGU.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:27 AM
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4. kick. You HAVE to read this, DU.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:36 AM
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6. I agree, I'll send it to everyone I know
Was this on the news, or is only available on-line? The media won't touch it, I bet. But I wonder if Daschle has any thoughts on who sent him Anthrax?
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:55 AM
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11. Daschle just released tonight the details of how they tried to include
Americans in the wording (at the very last minute) of that resolution.
There are two threads on it on the greatest page.....but in one of them Madison Progressive noted (quietly) the dates were the same. The passiing and the postmark on Dachle's anthrax letter. I thought everybody should see it.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 09:39 AM
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39. Thank you for posting it
I agree, it is very important ~ I remember seeing an interview Daschle did with Charlie Rose after losing the election and he was asked what moments stood out to him in his career in the Senate. I remember he looked down at the table and said 'the day Anthrax was delivered to my office'. It's hard to explain, but I felt he was trying to say something more than that. I would love to see that interview again. The thing is, the whole Anthrax story had died, and Charlie Rose seemed surprised when Daschle said that. He admitted to being truly frightened and very concerned about his staff. It stuck in my mind, his demeanor, when he spoke about it.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 05:31 PM
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69. well , maybe....you can listen to it here....
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 06:20 PM by bettyellen
acck! but they don't all have audi files, so i dunno.


http://www.charlierose.com/search/search.asp
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:46 AM
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7. thanks for posting this.
:thumbsup:

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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:51 AM
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9. thank Madison Progressive for tying the threads together....
my jaw dropped when i saw the connection. it's unreal.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:55 AM
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10. Wow.
I'm speechless (and that's saying a lot). :wow:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:58 AM
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12. Me too, i know!
have you met Madison Progressive? They put this particular 2+ 2 together.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 05:01 AM
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19. Not in person, no.
But we've met in the WI forum.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:58 AM
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13. Daschle Lives!
to fight another day.

:dem:
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 04:03 AM
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14. Wow.
I knew the dates were close, but I didn't realize identical. I guess it COULD be coincedence, but that would be one SMOKING coincedence!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 04:08 AM
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15. kick
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 04:13 AM
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16. Daschle letter was postmarked October 9
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 04:36 AM by Syrinx
The original media letters were September 18.

But this is still huge. Not quite a smoking a gun, but certainly probable cause for further investigation. ;)

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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 04:40 AM
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17. it seems you are right, i see a few reports saying the same
thing as the one i quoted, but they are word for word the same-- looks like it must be an AP mistake or something, because most others have the later date, and say it went with Leahy's letter.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 04:56 AM
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18. I don't think it matters much one way or the other...
Except for the dramatic effect. Fact is, the media letters went out on September 18 regardless (including the one that killed the tabloid man).

I think this is really big. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

By the way, if you hadn't noticed, the graphic I posted comes directly from the FBI website, so...

This could be the big unraveling. I know I'm staying tuned.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 05:05 AM
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20. JUDY MILLER had an Anthrax book out- the same time this all started???
"Germs: Biological Weapons and America's Secret War. A study of bioterrorism by New York Times staff members Judith Miller, Stephen Engelberg and William Broad, the book early October, Germs made the Times's bestseller list, and, propelled by the anthrax attacks, it soon hit number one. The Times itself has helped, putting the book on the front page of the Book Review and allowing Miller to write a rare first-person account of her experience of receiving a letter laced with powder. Miller herself has been ubiquitous on TV, appearing on every channel, it seems, but the Food Network.

All the while, she and her two co-authors have been covering bioterrorism for the Times. To a degree, this has been a plus for the paper. In Germs, Miller, Engelberg and Broad provide a detailed history of bioweapons programs, including the United States' largely secret experiments during and after World War II, the former Soviet Union's massive buildup after signing a ban on such weapons in 1972 and Saddam Hussein's push to develop a smorgasbord of deadly pathogens in Iraq. Drawing on this research, the trio has contributed some sharp stories about the lax security in Russia's remaining labs and about America's lack of preparedness for dealing with a biological attack.

But such a situation poses some clear risks. Reporters covering a story about which they have a book out can get locked into pushing a particular story line and relying on a fixed set of sources. And they face the constant temptation of covering events in a way that promotes their book. With a story as complex and fast-moving as the anthrax attacks, of course, missteps are inevitable, but surveying the Times's coverage, I think the paper has often gotten it wrong."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20011217/massing
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 05:10 AM
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21. i noticed that the Oct 9th (and 8th) dates all came from the FBI
or the justice dept, and the only statement from the postal inspector says 9/18.
Okay, I'm getting really paranoid... but what did Judy Miller ever do that wasn't spoon fed to her by our government?
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staticstopper Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 06:37 AM
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22. I might be wrong but
I think Ms. Miller showed up on camera in NYC on 911 with the dust of the fallen Twin Towers all over her...she was being interviewed in the studio with all that toxic dust in her hair and on her jacket.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 06:42 AM
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23. she may have been traumatized by that event, like most of us
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 06:43 AM by Syrinx
But most of us didn't carry water for the flatulent regime once it was exposed.

Despite the dust in her hair and on her jacket, she has blood on her hands.
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staticstopper Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 07:23 AM
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27. well
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 07:37 AM by staticstopper
I think the
expert terrorism book
and the dust
and claiming to have special clearence
and the role as Iraq expeditionary guide (or something else that went not as planned)
and involved in the exposure of a CIA officer
and the crap she wrote in the paper of record
and getting a fake Anthrax letter
and being BFF with Chilabi
and being the last to interact with now dead Brit inspecter David Kelly
and etc, etc...

makes me very very leary of her...useful tool or zealot, don't matter to me.

Was it not Sen. Leahy that got the other Anthrax one and was also told to F-off by tin-man?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 06:57 AM
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24. after the bush admin has collapsed and been run out of town...
it will be decades thence before the extent of their nefarious behaviors are fully known.

if i were a republican, i would be seriously concerned; that americans will soon be near to the reality that republicans are simply not capable of civil governance. an adviser here or there maybe. the operation of a think-tank, submitting papers for consideration whatever. but they are simply too strange at their core to be seen or thought as relevant 'from sea to shining sea' imo

and the details that follow from the discovery process will chill the blood of the cold-blooded imo as well
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 07:13 AM
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26. kick
:kick:
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 07:33 AM
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28. Jesus, I suppose they thought they could get away with this because...
...of those extremely confusing and tense days following 9/11. They sure tried desperately to pin it on Steven Hatfill, that's for sure...
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staticstopper Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 07:44 AM
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30. The weird origin and strange destruction
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 08:25 AM by staticstopper
of the strain... Fort Dettrick right after it was found out to be a strain that was made there.


"Shortly after the first case of anthrax arose, the F.B.I. said it had no objection to the destruction of a collection of anthrax samples at Iowa State University, but some scientists involved in the investigation now say that collection may have contained genetic clues valuable to the inquiry....Last month, after consulting with the F.B.I., Iowa State University in Ames destroyed anthrax spores collected over more than seven decades and kept in more than 100 vials. A variant of the so-called Ames strain had been implicated in the death of a Florida man from inhalation anthrax, and the university was nervous about security.

Now, a dispute has arisen, with scientists in and out of government saying the rush to destroy the spores may have eliminated crucial evidence about the anthrax in the letters sent to Congress and the news media."

<li>http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&r...

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"6) DNA evidence shows that this anthrax originated from the Ames strain, a strain of the anthrax bacillus originally developed at Fort Detrick, Maryland, which was later sent to England's Porton Down research facility."

<li>http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-news/700670/posts

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"For example, there has been extensive media attention to the possible use of anthrax from the U.S. Armys laboratory at Fort Dettrick, Maryland, in the attack last fall. It has been known for many years that anthrax spores were located at Fort Dettrick. It is also known that the remaining smallpox virus in the United States is held by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Releases of select agents from these and other facilities may have significant public health implications. An alert public may be the best method by which exposure to a select agent can be determined. Responses should not be delayed by federal agencies interpreting these FOIA exemptions too broadly."
-Rep. Dingle (MI)

<li>http://www.house.gov/commerce_democrats/press/107st115....

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A artical by Miller herself on the subject:

<li>http://www.virginia.edu/uvanewsmakers/newsmakers/miller...
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 07:40 AM
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29. Astounding.
Great work, bettyellen and Syrinx.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:17 AM
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32. 9-11, spying requests, anthrax, war: MIHOP MIHOP MIHOP MIHOP
There's no doubt.
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quispquake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:28 AM
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33. This was a total coup!
I've been bouncing between LIHOP & MIHOP for awhile, but it looks too much at this point where they had their ducks lined up a bit too well after 9-11 (especially knowing what we know now about the govt response to things like Katrina). With Daschle coming out & speaking out, and the timing of this, the Patriot Act being written so quickly, them knowing Osama within a couple of hours of 9-11, too much stuff...MIHOP...Coup...The US have been the victims of a coup that started with the 2000 elections, but was 'validated' on 9-11. And by attacking Daschle & Leahy, they kowtowed their opposition. I can't forgive Daschle for bowing down, but I can understand...he did pick his own personal safety over the safety of our nation (and the world) though...

Anyways, sorry to rattle on...just woke up to this and my head is spinning pretty fast...

pp23
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 09:21 AM
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36. At least Daschle stood against the line
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 09:23 AM by CJCRANE
"in the United States", otherwise * would have been a de facto Legal Military Dictator!

on edit: added Military
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quispquake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 11:48 AM
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49. I agree...
I'm VERY thankful he did that!!!
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staticstopper Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:29 AM
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34. K + R
n/t
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 09:08 AM
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35. Wow, bettyellen!
Thanks for posting this, it is giving me the chills :scared:

And Kudos to Madison Progressive as well!

:kick:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 09:39 AM
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40. Do I need to say it again! MIHOP MIHOP MIHOP
"I da wo precedent."
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 11:29 AM
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48. Am I late to realize this? Bush, the terrorist?
Are we to conclude that the Bush administration wanted to have the power to use force within the US so that they could create their own "terrorist attacks"?
I'm not talking about anthrax. I mean, fake terrorist attacks.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:05 PM
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50. We're just now connecting these dots,
but Senator Daschle must have seen those connecting lines glaring at him.
With each new revelation, we see how "too far" is not far enough for this administration.
It's chilling.

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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:16 PM
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51. Jeff Gannon, fake journalist
worked specifically to defeat Daschle. It was during this time that local journalists tried (unsuccessfully) to alert other journalists to him.


Credible Evidence Emerges That Jeff Gannon Coordinated With the G.O.P. to Bring Down Former Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) in 2004 Election

Post-Election, Daschle Campaign Aide Says Thune and Gannon "Worked Hand in Hand"; Gannon's Work in South Dakota Shows Substantial Ties to Current Thune Campaign



One of Gannon's first projects was an attempt to discredit the South Dakota Argus Leader, South Dakota's major paper, and its longtime political writer, David Kranz. According to the National Journal, which reported on this last November, Gannon wrote a series of articles in the summer of 2003 alleging that Kranz, who went to college with Democratic Sen. Tom Daschle, was not only sympathetic to him but was an actual part of the Daschle campaign. These articles then got a huge amount of play on the blogs of John Lauck and Jason Van Beek, and were picked up by other conservative sites and talk radio. The paper was bombarded with messages about its bias and acknowledges that these had an impact on its coverage.

Daschle opponent John Thune's campaign manager was Dick Wadham, an old political crony of Karl Rove's; the kind of pal Rove could ask to hire his first cousin, John Wood, a few years back. Wadham put the bloggers on the campaign payroll and the symbiotic relationship between the campaign, the bloggers and "reporter" Gannon continued. On September 29, Gannon broke the story that Daschle had claimed a special tax exemption for a house in Washington and the bloggers jumped all over it. According to a November 17 posting on South Dakota Politics--a site that Van Beek, who has become a staffer for now-Sen. Thune, has bequeathed to Lauck--"Jeff Gannon, whose reportage had a dramatic impact on the Daschle v. Thune race (his story about Sen. Daschle signing a legal document claiming to be a D.C. resident was published nearly the same day Thune began to run an ad showing Daschle saying, 'I'm a D.C. resident') has written an analysis of the debacle."

Daschle aides told Roll Call, "This guy (Gannon) became the dumping ground for opposition research." The connections are so strong that there is an FEC challenge which could be a test case on the limits of the use of the Internet in federal campaigns.

http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/2005/02/credible-evi...

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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:19 PM
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52. Don't forget the chopping o'the heads overseas
Daniel Berg et al. Remember the "muslims" wearing gold jewelry?
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:37 PM
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54. This needs a kick. nt
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:16 PM
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55. I've been given credit I don't deserve
I noticed the sept 18th 'coincidence' in another thread where a lala_rawraw first noted the timing and then librechik posted a timeline from wikipedia.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Thanks for all the kudos, and I am a nice guy, but I don't deserve the credit.

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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:23 PM
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57. you are a nice guy....
but your avatar, who/ what is that? jocelyn wildenstein?
i can't believe i didn't know that anthrax book was judy miller, now i'm pinching myself.
LOL.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:26 PM
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59. It's a cat with a lime rind on it's head.
I just found it on the internets. Or are you talking about Cokemon?
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:36 PM
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60. it looks like a glamourous wig, LOL
a lime rind? i'm going to have to torture my girl with that come springtime when i feel like a margarita.
cokemon i like too, i want it in regulation card printable size so i can slip in tonto my nephew's deck.
good to see you, G
:hi:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:25 PM
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58. Every bit of info from the past 5 years seems to come to a head these days
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 01:26 PM by robbedvoter
The yellow cake and the war, the Plamegate and the spying, the anthrax and the war on the poor. Of course there is a common thread to it all, thanks Sigmund for helping us understand it:
"If this were a dictatorship...."
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:48 PM
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61. he's pretty upfront about the the dictator stuff this week
last i heard was that we would want him to spy on us, because we want him all-powerful, he should be all-powerful, even if the law says no..... that's the last RW talking point i heard trotted out.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:09 PM
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65. K&R. Thanks, bettyellen.
:thumbsup:
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 04:11 PM
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66. .
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 04:54 PM
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67. Kick
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 05:09 PM
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68. Those minor changes would have cast aside our republic.
Going from a democratic state to a dictatorship. I believe we have reached a 'soft porn' dictatorship (doesn't show on the surface but still get screwed). Proof; the Patriot Act, the loss of due process, bye bye first amendment separations, presumption of innocence, posse comitatus, hello regional martial law, unfettered corporatism. There has never been an administration as corrupt as this one. The never gained legitimacy through popular support so now they seek ways to control by military force and propaganda.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 05:47 PM
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70. Why is Bush so anxious to use the military here in the US?
He established NORTHCOM. He wanted Congressional authority to use military force within the country. He wanted the governor of Louisiana to give up her authority in order for the military to take over in LA. He has threatened to use the military against us in case of a flu epidemic. It appears, even though he was not successful in obtaining the authorization, he is bound and determined to usurp our rights as American citizens, anyway. What is he doing and why?
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 07:21 PM
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72. because he's looting our country and he wants us to be too frightened
- and beat down to ever stop it.
they are using our tax money to help corporations and themselves, and scare us into thinking it's for our own good.
they are using the military to label dissent unpatriotic, and then criminalize it, as well as poverty.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:00 AM
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74. I'll give you three guesses.
Consider the fact that the US is being forcibly bankrupted as we write ...
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 06:21 PM
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71. Kudos to everyone in this thread and elsewhere on DU
who have been putting all of these pieces together. It all makes so much sense now.

It is all beyond chilling and frightening. Lord, what has happened to my country?
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