April 2004: Bush tells audiences Wiretaps Require a Court Order

[DesEtoiles]

Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires-a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.

But a roving wiretap means-it was primarily used for drug lords. A guy, a pretty intelligence drug lord would have a phone, and in old days they could just get a tap on that phone. So guess what he'd do? He'd get him another phone, particularly with the advent of the cell phones. And so he'd start changing cell phones, which made it hard for our DEA types to listen, to run down these guys polluting our streets. And that changed, the law changed on-roving wiretaps were available for chasing down drug lords. They weren't available for chasing down terrorists, see? And that didn't make any sense in the post-9/11 era. If we couldn't use a tool that we're using against mobsters on terrorists, something needed to happen.

The Patriot Act changed that. So with court order, law enforcement officials can now use what's called roving wiretaps, which will prevent a terrorist from switching cell phones in order to get a message out to one of his buddies.


http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=33849&keyword=wiretap&phrase=&contain=




Q -- coming next year. And I find that an important tool for protecting America. And in Wisconsin here, we have Senator Russ Feingold, as you're aware, the only Senator to vote against the Patriot Act. Wondering if you can tell us all here the importance of the Patriot Act and what we can do to help get that renewed.

THE PRESIDENT: Let me -- that's a great question. A couple of things that are very important for you to understand about the Patriot Act. First of all, any action that takes place by law enforcement requires a court order. In other words, the government can't move on wiretaps or roving wiretaps without getting a court order.

Now, we've used things like roving wiretaps on drug dealers before. Roving wiretaps mean you change your cell phone. And yet, we weren't able to use roving wiretaps on terrorists. And so what the Patriot Act said is let's give our law enforcement the tools necessary, without abridging the Constitution of the United States, the tools necessary to defend America.

http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=50711&keyword=wiretap&phrase=&contain=

[Brundle_Fly]

1. So he knew he was breaking the law the whole time

Sounds about right.

[liveoaktx]

24. AUDIO- MP3 of that segment

See, I'm not a lawyer

Darn right you're not a lawyer, ass. But you're gonna need one

[DemReadingDU]

27. Thanks for the audio!

I bet Harriet Miers is around someplace

[Nothing Without Hope]

31. Our wonderful liveoaktx ALSO POSTED VIDEO FOR THE 2004 COMMENTS

in this dupe thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5644904
thread title {12/20 GD): Bush 04: We only wiretap with warrants

It's the third dupe thread on Bush's 2004 wiretap comments, posted hours later than the other two, and it has much less info in the opening post, but it's the one they chose for the home page. Go figure.

But the AUDIO and VIDEO clips posted by liveoaktx in the replies are priceless! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[kath]

2. whoa - good find!!

[DesEtoiles]

3. spread it far and wide - it certainly looks like he wanted to mislead

[FreedomAngel82]

17. Send it to key democrats

Reid, Boxer, Conyers, Rockefeller etc.

[Lindacooks]

4. GOOD catch!!!

[BewilderedCitizen]

5. He'll become the only President in history that doesn't have

a non-fiction section in his presidential library. Every word that has come out of his mouth has been a lie.

[Nothing Without Hope]

6. He KNEW he was breaking the law. See also how Gonzales LIED about

Bush extralegal capers exactly like this during his Senate confirmation hearings in Jan 2005:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5643708
thread title (12/20 GD): AmProg"The Truth About Bush's Warrantless Spying" (& Gonzo planned to LIE)

K & R - an important piece

[Nothing Without Hope]

7. Kick - this needs to be media-blasted and sent to our Congress people

He's a liar and a knowing law-breaker and oathbreaker. A criminal who has committed MANY impeachable acts.

I have to shut down for the night - I hope others keep this important thread kicked and get the word out.

We also need two more votes for Greatest Page visibility, and I hope it gets more after that - this needs to be prominent.

[livvy]

8. This is a good catch! K&R n/t

[Protagoras]

9. Send this to every media outlet

see if Will Pitt can get it onto Truthout etc...spread it spread it spread it.

[me b zola]

10. Doesn't this prove criminal intent??

This, I believe, is game, set, & match.

[DesEtoiles]

11. why even go near the subject, if you are secretly ordering

UNConstitutional taps...

[Nothing Without Hope]

12. your great find does tend to suggest that the reason why he tried to shut

down the NYT article on warrantless spying...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5641346
thread title (12/19 GD): BREAKING: SHRUB MET WITH NYT EDITORS IN LAST-DITCH EFFORT TO STOP SPYGATE

was indeed to save his sorry ass, as many have suggested. He KNEW he was breaking the law and his oath of office.

AGAIN.

And let's not forget that GONZALES appears to have lied under oath about his position on "commander-in-chief" extralegal capers during his Jan 2005 confirmation hearings:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5643708
thread title (12/20 GD): AmProg"The Truth About Bush's Warrantless Spying" (& Gonzo planned to LIE)

[DesEtoiles]

13. wow. I want a full airing of ALL the FACTS here.

[Nothing Without Hope]

14. I do recommend the superb and extensive Am Progress compilation:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5643708
thread title (12/20 GD): AmProg"The Truth About Bush's Warrantless Spying" (& Gonzo planned to LIE)

The title i gave this thread doesn't do the Am Progress compilation it links to justice. There is fine organization and dozens of links for documentation. I wanted to include the bit about Gonzales apparently lying during his senate confirmation hearings because it was news - to me at least - but it is only one of multiple documented points made in the compilation.

[lumpy]

15. bump up

nt

[me b zola]

16. kick for impeachment & criminal prosecution!!!!

[Skip Intro]

18. Kick. Wow!

wow wow wow

[Nothing Without Hope]

19. For writings by and commentaries on John Yoo's imperial view of the POTUS,

see the links in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5643999
Thread title (12/20 GD): New LAT op/ed from JOHN YOO, the legal enabler of the IMPERIAL BUSH

What Bush is claiming as his power to do anything he wants, law or not, is really based on Yoo's opinions, especially starting with the infamous 2001 Yoo Memo. We need to know and understand them to be able to more easily predict and rebut the logic in the assertions of dictatorial presidential powers.

[Nothing Without Hope]

20. Later dupe thread was posted in GD-P - it's on Greatest page too

which is GOOD, because this story needs to be SEEN!

Here's the GD-P dupe of the April 2004 Q & A on wiretaps requiring a court order:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2323744
thread title (12/20 GD-P): Little Lord Pissypants is screwing with us bigtime! Lookie here!!!

[dutchdemocrat]

21. Got it up at Booman and Kos.

With link to whitehouse.gov transcript and kudos to DU.

http://www2.boomantribune.com/user/ghandi/diary

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/20/64953/061

[Walt Starr]

22. Sent to Keith Olberman n/t

[Disturbed]

23. An emergency tap could be placed for 72 hours.

Then that tap would have to be reported for further tapping. There was no need for tapping without any court order under the law. The question is: Why
were there taps made that were not complied to under the law?

[mwb970]

25. Me too. Let's flood him with it! (n/t)

[SammyWinstonJack]

26. ...

:kick:

[Norquist Nemesis]

28. The key words are "takes place by law enforcement"

The NSA is spy agency to collect intelligence; pre-crime. The NSA isn't a "law enforcement" agency.

Once again, he's misleading.

[DesEtoiles]

29. Call your senators!

[darkstar]

30. k and r

Thanks. Really good find.

:kick:

[Amonester]

32. Keepitkickedup! K & R - eom