New WH Talking point on spying on us: THE FISA COURT IS NOT FAST ENOUGH!

[leftchick]

I just heard Elaine Kehano on CNN say this!! Didn't I hear Russ Feingold blow that out of the park yesterday?? God, they are desperate. I wish we had a real media to challenge them instead of read their talking points. And no mention of the Pentagon domestic spying yet this AM.

[InaneAnanity]

1. Remember

There is a provision that states in cases of emergency, wiretaps can be issued while court approval is still pending for 48 hours (or something like that).

So, even if the courts are slow, that is no excuse.

[napi21]

2. It's actually 72 hours! 3 days sounds like it's fast enough to me! n/t

[Jim__]

3. Another lie!

But then, what's one more?

[SoFlaJet]

4. BUSH IS THE PRESIDENT AND ...

HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO ON SEPTEMBER 11TH blah blah blah blah......AND THOSE LIBERAL JUDGES..................sarcasm off now

[DoYouEverWonder]

5. FISA isn't fast enough?

but in over 3 years Bush hasn't brought a single terrorist to justice in this country? No Osama, no Mullah Omar, no one? It seems they've had plenty of time to do things within the law. Breaking the law certainly hasn't helped.

[Lerkfish]

10. au contraire: breaking the law has helped...the criminals in office.

just hasn't helped nab any terrists.

[Inuca]

6. Nonsense

Heard & read in several places that the surveillance can start IMMEDIATELY as long as the special court's approval is obtained within I think 72 hours. If the approval is not granted, than the information already obtained has to be destroyed.

[newyawker99]

15. Hi Inuca!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Inuca]

22. Thanks!

Long time lurker :-)

[ninkasi]

27. Welcome to DU...

Glad to see you're delurking. I hope you enjoy it here, it's a great place to be, with everything that's going on. We need to stand together!:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[napi21]

7. If that's a valid statement, then the option is to go to Congress

and get the damn law changed...NOT break the law because you don't like it or can't work with it!

Sorry Alberto, but that one's not going to fly!

[ewagner]

8. Exactly

This is just another attempt to throw sand in the eyes of the public....

Josh Marshall has a good summary:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

[papau]

9. Elaine Kehano on CNN is a liar- takes 2 hours for warrant - and they can

start immediately without a Court order -they can do the eavesdropping for 3 days without a court order under current law! Thet did not need to break the law.

They must get an order within 72 hours of starting.

And they refuse to do so.

And it is a Court that never says no to the administration (the secret FISA Court).

Feingold is correct - the law is clear.

The NY Times only error was in not reporting this during the 2004 election campaign - and in buying the National Security/inherent power of the King idea.

Elaine Kehano on CNN is a liar - or right wing GOP controlled CNN is a whore network - or both.

[bpilgrim]

11. the fact that they have NEVER sought a warrant in years AND that * said he

will continue to operate this way there can no longer be any doubt that the neoCONs are a clear & present danger to our republic.

To: cryptographymetzdowd.com
Subject: A small editorial about recent events.
From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perrypiermont.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:58:06 -0500

...

The President claims he has the prerogative to order such surveillance. The law unambiguously disagrees with him.

There are minor exceptions in the law, but they clearly do not apply in this case. They cover only the 15 days after a declaration of war by congress, a period of 72 hours prior to seeking court authorization (which was never sought), and similar exceptions that clearly are not germane.

There is no room for doubt or question about whether the President has the prerogative to order surveillance without asking the FISC -- even if the FISC is a toothless organization that never turns down requests, it is a federal crime, punishable by up to five years imprisonment, to conduct electronic surveillance against US citizens without court authorization.

...

Our President has chosen to declare himself above the law, a dangerous precedent that could do great harm to our country. However, without substantial effort on the part of you, and I mean you, every person reading this, nothing much is going to happen. The rule of law will continue to decay in our country. Future Presidents will claim even greater extralegal authority, and our nation will fall into despotism. I mean that sincerely. For the sake of yourself, your children and your children's children, you cannot allow this to stand.

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peace

[HereSince1628]

12. Horseshit. They can start immediately they just have 72 hrs to go

before a judge to get permission to keep it going.

[HereSince1628]

17. Stephanopolus noted this too. It needs to be on every OpEd page

in the country for the rest of the week.

It's not hard to write a one paragraph LTTE saying that.

[SillyGoose]

13. Andrew Napolitano on Fox (of all people & places) said you can

get a secret warrant in 15 minutes and if that's not good enough, you can do your thing immediately and then request the warrant within 72 hours. He smacked down O'Reilly with this last night. I wish I had heard the whole segment but only caught the last minute while channel surfing.

edited to add "secret" warrant

[boston bean]

14. It wasn't quick enough because they want to wiretap

thousands of people.

It would back log the court.

Dont' you get it!


:sarcasm:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

21. Tragically, I think that's the truth. n/t

[Beetwasher]

16. You Can Get Warrants RETROACTIVELY From FISA

That's how fast it is, it's immediate. Put in a wiretap and THEN get approval. No mus no fuss.

[leftchick]

19. someone in the press conference asked this

and he blew them off.

[BelgianMadCow]

28. hey hey now now, dontcha see

you been forgettin' the differenz between monitoring and detecting again, have you not?!

And the preznit said the differenz was verry important and all...


Okay, not like he splained it and these things, but I'm sure twas some serious
GonzalezeCrafted Legalese (TM)

[snooper2]

18. Plus, remember that only once...

One time in the history of the FISA court have they declined a warrant...

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

20. The FISA court wasn't fast enough?

You stupid fuckers barely even used it in the cases where it could have HELPED.

[spanone]

23. Tough Shit. Law is Law.

[helderheid]

24. the have 72 hours to act retroactively.

[WinkyDink]

25. But what judge wants to get caught approving

spying and eavesdropping on politicians, singers/actors/artists, religious leaders, writers, and Cindy Sheehan?
Aye, there's the rub.

[LunaC]

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