Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Tom Brokaw is a military industry propagandist.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:31 PM
Original message
Tom Brokaw is a military industry propagandist.
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 12:30 AM by Jara sang
Just saw him on the Daily Show. Was thinking to my self, "Who signs your pay checks, Brokaw?" Answer: General Electric, major defense contractor that supplies components for weapons systems. Brokaw referred to intelligence analysts as "folks". Gee, Brokaw, way to put a human face on people that commit horrible acts like torture and high altitude terroristic bombing of civilians. Go fuck yourself Tom Brokaw.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:35 PM
Response to Original message
1. most intelligence analysts
are just that, analysts. They are not operatives.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:35 PM
Response to Original message
2. I just saw it too...what a disgusting display...it makes me sick....
"they all said going to war was the right thing and they'd do it again...nothing but a bunch of f'in' whores.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:36 PM
Response to Original message
3. All of that just because he used the word "folks"? Jeesh !
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. He said much more than that...believe me. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:40 PM
Response to Original message
5. A lot of intelligence people do vital work
The field isn't any more black and white than anything else in the world.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #5
11. Wow, so you are saying a shadowy secret entity with or government
is good for democracy?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. I'm saying not all international forces are benign
And not all American intelligence entities are evil.

There are a lot of intelligence agents out "there" doing work that protects innocent people in the west from not so innocent people abroad. We didn't start the problem, and neither did the agents involved.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aaronnyc Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:44 PM
Response to Original message
6. What do you want him to call them?
You know that not all intelligence analysts torture people for a living; in fact, the vast majority do not. And if you knew them personally, as Brokaw undoubtedly does, you would probably think of them with a human face, as well.

I didn't see the particular interview which you are referring to, but I can't figure what got you so offended.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #6
10. They damn sure aren't "folks"
"Folks" make you biscuits for breakfast before you go out to milk the cows.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #6
17. but i can ...
brokaw is disgusting and easily mesmerized by what he must perceive as power, money, and bush mythology.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:48 PM
Response to Original message
7. I do agree with him though about the disconnect in America....
between the soldiers and the families who are fortunate enough to not have a family member in the service and fighting this damn war. The disconnect really doesn't exist here on DU so I know I'm "preaching to the gospel" so to speak, but I can't begin to tell you how pissed off I get debating this war with other people. Why? Because 9 times out of 10, I'm debating someone who has nothing to sacrifice and they tell ME that I'm not supporting the troops when MY brother is over there fighting.

Most of the Americans who "support" this war do so because they have nothing to pull their attention away from prime time TV or the latest Xbox 360 games or the "war on Xmas", etc. Funny thing happens when a loved one goes to war though...it consumes you until they're home safe. There is no Christmas or birthday or Valentine's Day or Mother's Day or any day that truly matters until your family member is back home and safe.

If Tom Brockaw can get people to understand this disconnect, then more power to him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:54 PM
Response to Original message
8. Listen Carefully...He's Showing A Lot Of Regret
At least I could see that. The premise he used were those soldiers who he's been following not only when they were in Iraq, but what's happened to them since. It appears that has had an affect on him and his support for this invasion. It's subtle, but it's there...and one that's growing in this country, but those of us who oppose the invasion have to treat carefully.

These people don't want the fact they were wrong put in their face...they either know or are starting to come to that realization. Just like how you'd hate to be "I told ya so'd", these people bought the lies and now are looking to square with the realities. Understand these people and how they were sold on Patriotism that was misplaced for a corporate, partisan agenda. The trick for Democrats will be to make these people see how they were duped without making them feel Democrats will do the same (the "all politicians are corrupt). If Democrats can connect on this level...which we failed miserably to do in Viet Nam...it would help elect Democrats for the next decade or more.

Cheers...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:21 AM
Response to Original message
9. None of that makes him a "military industry propagandist"
I'm not debating the pros and cons of Tom Brockaw as a newsman, I'm just saying let's not go overboard with accusations. That's the kind of thing that promotes a bad stereotype of the left.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #9
12. Are you saying that he doesn't work for G.E.?
Because he does. and as a defense contractor, you don't think that G.E. spins a pro-war, pro industry line into the nightly news that one of it's subsidiaries owns.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. I don't think I said that. Kindly explain what you are saying...
G.E. is the parent company of his network, I assume.

And G.E. is involved in defense business, you point out.

Therefore, YOU claim, that logically means Tom Brokaw is engaging in editorial bias at the direction of G.E.

Poor logic.

Short answer to your last question is no. I don't think you can assume G.E. spins a pro-war and pro-military industry line into the TV news produced by it's subsidiary. You can't make that claim without any logical support.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:41 AM
Response to Reply #13
18. Then you obviously have not watched the Today Show. They softball
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 03:47 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
Bushbots and go down the throats of anyone opposing Bush and this war.

On edit...

My memory is short, maybe its this cold of mine that woke me up a little while ago. As I was making tea I turned on the TV and Chris Matthews had Rep. Sessions on. Matthews ALLOWED Sessions to go on and on spewing Bushbot Propaganda without challenging any of the lies he was spewing.. that is what GE wants there people to do. It truly is miraculous that Keith Olbermann has been allowed to keep his job.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Regardless of all that, there's no indication that Brokaw
is controlled or influenced. Rage against the undeniable culprits like the various Fox News types who obviously are controlled/influenced OR just hired because they're rightwingnuts.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. Video
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #13
24. OK, here's some logical support. It applies to all US networks.
Media Tenor in their study of network war coverage in the lead up to the Iraq invasion, calculated that NBC gave 4% of air time to anti-war faces and 96% to pro-war advocates.

Hawks Turned Media into Parrots
"The anti-war percentages ranged from 4 per cent at NBC, 3 per cent at CNN, ABC, PBS and FOX, and less than 1 per cent - 1 out of 205 U.S. sources - at CBS." It gets worse: Anti-war voices were "almost universally" blown off in one-sentence sound bites while 42 per cent of them were never identified by name, labelled instead as "protester'' or "anti-war activist."

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/media/2003/0612censorship.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #9
15. Sooo...everyone that works for GE specifically, and a defense
contractor generally, is a military industry propagandist?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. And all intelligence analysts torture *and* bomb civilians. . .
from a high altitude, no less -- terroristically, too. Busy folks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Those pesky analysts - must get tired of being so desk bound.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 04:36 AM
Response to Original message
19. Shouldn't that be past tense?
I thought he retired?

TDS has present GE anchor Brian Williams on a lot too...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:46 PM
Response to Original message
23. GE pays him a hefty pension..
He's a company-guy..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 04:43 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC