Kansas Professor disputing intelligent design beaten

[thefloyd]

via KOS. So called followers of Jesus strike again....

http://dailykos.com/story/2005/12/5/19373/9077

[Fenris]

1. That's fucking sick.

I don't recall Christ beating those who disagreed with him.

[NNadir]

3. Actually, if you look into it, Christ was given to some violence.

There is that matter of the money changers in the temple. I haven't read the bible for many decades, but if I recall correctly, Christ got violent on that occasion.

[SPKrazy]

8. He turned over their tables

but I don't believe that he harmed anyone there.

Render unto Ceasear that which is Ceasar's, and render unto God, that which is God.

Best argument for separation of Church and state comes from Jesus himself.

And yet, the fundies want a Church/State. Why?

[MrMonk]

18. IIRC, he also used a whip

[NNadir]

20. It looked pretty violent in this Rembrant:

It looks like violence, at least according to Rembrandt.

De Boulogne:



Passeri:



El Greco:



The Gospel According to Saint John:

"When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the Temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords and drove all from the Temple, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said: 'Get out of here.' (John 2:13-16)

It looks violent to me, but I'm not a Christian. I don't think it's harmless either, not buying much into Cheney reality. Maybe Christians define violence differently than I do.

[DebJ]

26. Maybe another title for painting: Jesus at Enron or Halliburton

[NNadir]

36. My Title: "Christ Drives Cunningham and Delay From Congress."

[FreedomAngel82]

30. It doesn't say he hit anybody

It just says he made a rope. Probably to make noise and scare people out.

[NNadir]

32. It depends on how you view "probably." Most people make whips to whip.

The medieval painters certainly viewed the case in this way, the use of the whip for whipping. The paintings don't show a guy who looks like he's just making noise.

But I don't know. I wasn't there. Neither, I bet, were the authors of the gospels.

Of course, a guy doing this thing at the local church garage sale, where they might sell, for instance, doves, one would be arrested.

I have been in churches and cathedrals where candles are for sale. No one has made noise at me or at any of the religious people with a whip in these places, but I'll bet if they did, they would be in big trouble, and rightly so. I'll bet if someone overturned one of the tables in one of these places, one would also be in trouble.

[FreedomAngel82]

29. He only over turned tables

I hardly call that anything to compare to this.

[SPKrazy]

7. Those who disagreed with Christ beat him.

But his advice was to turn the other cheek.

These "fundamentalists" don't represent Christianity.

Intelligent design is a fraud that should never even be discussed.

If one believes in an intelligent designer (as I do) that does not make it science, or on a scale with science.

Faith is just that, faith.

Scientific method can never be applied to faith.

These wackos are just sick fucks that should be prosecuted.

[chat_noir]

2. Mirecki hospitalized after beating

Douglas County sheriff’s deputies are investigating the reported beating of a Kansas University professor who gained recent notoriety for his Internet tirades against Christian fundamentalists.

Kansas University religious studies professor Paul Mirecki reported he was beaten by two men about 6:40 a.m. today on a roadside in rural Douglas County. In a series of interviews late this afternoon, Mirecki said the men who beat him were making references to the controversy that has propelled him into the headlines in recent weeks.

“I didn’t know them, but I’m sure they knew me,” he said.

Mirecki said he was driving to breakfast when he noticed the men tailgating him in a pickup truck.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/dec/05/mirecki_hospitalized_after_beating/?breaking

[kevinbgoode]

40. That's the "christo-fascist" way

They not only better catch those two, but charge them with assault with intent to kill. And if they belong to a fundie church, he should slap a civil suit on them fast - this is exactly where their hate speech fest leads.

[MisterP]

62. didn't know this was the same guy whose class got cancelled after

that saucy e-mail--that story made the CNN frontpage on the 1st!

[proud2BlibKansan]

75. Yep same guy n/t

[NVMojo]

4. What the fuck!!???

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[chat_noir]

14. grrrrrrrr

I once told my former neighbor who is a "devout" Christian (although not a Fundie) that I can never forgive the burning of the library at Alexandria. All that knowledge destroyed by small-minded, fearful Christians.

The story of Hypatia was discovered when I first went online years ago. I was apalled at the viciousness of those Christians toward this incredible woman.

Damn, now I'm mad all over again. :grr:

[mzmolly]

37. Have you forgiven the Hindu's for human sacrifice?

My gawd, why is it ok here to lump all Christians in with every crime committed by a heinous few?

http://www.rotten.com/library/death/human-sacrifice/

[SPKrazy]

16. Give me a break!

The broad brush "Christians" is BS.

The right wing Christians, aren't right, and don't act very Christian in the true sense of the word. And yes, a lot of very UnChristian things have been done in the name of Christ, but that does not make Christianity as a whole the problem.

[mzmolly]

33. "The Christians don't change."

Would you mind editing that statement to reflect more accurate and less bigoted language.

Thanks

[Bill McBlueState]

56. sounds about right to me

These guys didn't beat that professor because of something they heard from their rabbi or favorite atheist author.

[mzmolly]

57. Nor did they do so because of something they heard from "Jesus."

But, I am glad you refuse to apologize for your ignorance because it leaves us a good example of the bigotry on the part of many who call themselves liberal and tolerant.

[Bill McBlueState]

59. they probably think they're acting in the name of Jesus

It's very easy to claim the gods told you to do something. All gods are said to communicate in ways that aren't accessible to everyone, in dreams for instance. Christians who advocate violence are just as convinced they're acting in their god's name as any other believer.

[Bridget Burke]

71. Nope, they're working under His Daddy's orders....

He's the one who created everything in 6 days, you know. Or, so they think.

Some religious folks can imagine a God great enough to match the wonderful universe. Some of us just contemplate that universe. While others are stuck with a weak, angry, jealous deity--totally lacking in imagination.

[bemildred]

6. "Jesus loves you." nt

[SPKrazy]

11. Whether Jesus does or doesn't love you (or anyone)

isn't really the issue.

The issue is a couple of wacko thugs just beat a man and should be prosecuted.

[NanceGreggs]

9. Okay, I've HAD ENOUGH!

It's time to stop referring to these people as 'Christians'. They are not Christians, and they need to be rounded up, incarcerated, tried and convicted.

[SPKrazy]

19. Amen!

They are not Christians

they are neanderthals who use religion to spread fear into their congregations (fundamentalist preachers that is)

[mzmolly]

41. Someone suggested a play on the word DINO, and refer to them as CINO's

I prefer that to lumping Martin Luther King Jr. in with these people.

[atommom]

10. That's horrible! It's bad enough that he was pressured into cancelling

the course, and that the fundies dug up old postings to a listserv in which he was "unsympathetic" to the religious crackpots. Local Repubs made comments about how he clearly hated Christians (never mind that he's taught religious studies for many years). It's not surprising that the rednecks took notice... :(

[La Coliniere]

12. Sick

The American Taliban is getting bolder by the minute my friends.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. OMG!!

That is just horrible.

[EstimatedProphet]

15. I'm not surprised

And I expect we will be seeing a lot more of this kind of thing in the future. The freeper neanderthals can't think to agrue, so they break things with their clubs.

[Telly Savalas]

35. I am surprised.

Lawrence, KS, on the whole is a pretty mellow place and about as left leaning as you get in the midwest.

I guarantee that the 3-digit IQ community there will not take this lying down.

[EstimatedProphet]

48. That's not a statement about Lawrence KS BTW

I don't know anything about it, other than that they were rivals with University of Missouri.
However, it is a statement about freepers and where they're headed.

[Telly Savalas]

49. I get what you were saying.

My response was pretty much a stream of conciousness sort of thing.

This sort of thing could happen anywhere. I'm just kind of taken aback that it happened there.

[proud2BlibKansan]

77. Lawrence is very liberal

They had a gay mayor. Howard Dean spoke there last March and the tickets sold out in hours. They like to call themselves the most liberal city in the midwest.

[donco6]

17. Oh, I just posted that thing the other day.

About his class getting canceled. jeez.

[mopaul]

21. they'd kill us all if they could

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. hmmm should i be rethinking my 2nd amendment arguments?

[Warren Stupidity]

43. that is a dark dark thought

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it is dark man, real dark.

[proud2BlibKansan]

46. i know but these are dark times

and dark times call for dark deeds which come from dark thoughts.

[burythehatchet]

22. Sad, and completely expected

The civil war shall be upon us soon. As the Repukelican party implodes, its their last stand.

[mopaul]

23. kick, punch, kick kick

[ck4829]

25. A Request - Spread this story far and wide

This is an example of 'christian' Right Terrorism in our country, it is happening, it is here.

[bammertheblue]

50. Everyone

should tell someone they know. This is COMPLETELY INEXCUSABLE and I bet it's not going to be in the media, or only barely mentioned.
I posted the link on both my personal blogs (yeah, I'm a dork...I just have two separate groups of friends). Anyway, I want EVERYONE to know about this. Let's just see someone try to defend it.

If this was a professor at a Christian school beaten by atheists or Muslims or pagans, this would be a huge news bulletin. They would be interrupting every broadcast on tv.
Guess I know how much I count, just because I'm not the right religion. :(

[Czolgosz]

They really turned the shit out of that other cheek.

[DanCa]

27. Now can we mobilize and start picketing thier churches?

We don't fight back, they know it. we bitch and complain and that's the extent of it. We've turned the other cheek and got both slapped. Knows the time for an eye for an eye.
I would like air america or even DU to sponser an event were we'd hand link around a ks church or archdicoese and keep them out for a change. This passive resistance ignore the bully crap didn't fly in high school it wont work as adults either.
It's time for deeds not words and yeah I am not" broad brushing "any right wing troll here. I know there are plenty of decent christian who are just as pissed off by this crap as I am. However we can't become complacent and let them get away with this. Other wise they'll pick us off one by one.

[FreedomAngel82]

28. Ugh

Disgusting. So much for "compassionate conservatism" and "love thy neighbor as thy self."

[mzmolly]

31. If this was motivated by his personal beliefs

it should be prosecuted as a hate crime.

[sakabatou]

34. WWJD

Beat the snot out of teachers for telling the truth... :puke:

[MrMonk]

58. "WWJD" = "What Would Jackasses Do"?

[sakabatou]

60. LOL

For the people that actually DO NOT KNOW: It's, What would Jesus Do...

[tyedyeto]

38. Let's see.....

the fundies' murder Planned Parenthood doctors and workers, murder gays and others with alternative lifestyles, and now are beating scientists....all because they disagree with their viewpoint? How twisted their little minds are.

How charitable they are to do that in Jesus' name. Remember, Jesus would lose an election today because he would be considered too liberal for them.

[kevinbgoode]

42. And just watch. . .

the Republican state reps and the local fundies won't even issue a remark about this incident. That's what they mean by turn the other cheek - they encourage acts of intimidation and then pretend their verbal attacks had nothing to do with it.

[tyedyeto]

44. They will also cite...

an eye for an eye when defending the death penalty.

I think you hit the nail on the head, kevinbgoode.

[mzmolly]

45. Your right, but if James Dobson were beaten by liberals or atheists it

would be all over the media. O'Reilly would literally explode.

[DanCa]

51. I think it's time that Dobson should be confronted/ handlink around his HQ

Thats why these nuts have the upper hand they act physically. We dont.

[mopaul]

39. & jesus said, 'all those who doubt the creation story shall be smitten'

when thou findeth them thou shalt smiteth them with extreme prejudice and beatith the love of god into them.

[Miss Chybil]

47. What a wonderful way to enter the Christmas season...

I'm sure Jesus is pleased.

[kevinbgoode]

53. Well, I'm afraid the faux religious right has hijacked

Christmas - and they are determined to make it the most unpleasant holy-day in this nation's history.

[chat_noir]

52. Associated Press has the story

Google news only shows the story on KC Star, a local paper

Mirecki treated at hospital after beating

Associated Press


LAWRENCE, Kan. - A professor whose planned course on creationism and intelligent design was canceled after he sent e-mails deriding Christian conservatives was hospitalized Monday after an apparent roadside beating.

University of Kansas religious studies professor Paul Mirecki told the Lawrence Journal-World that two men who beat him were making references to the class that was to be offered for the first time this spring. Originally called "Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies," the course was canceled last week at Mirecki's request.

The class was added after the Kansas Board of Education decided to include more criticism of evolution in science standards for elementary and secondary students.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/13336260.htm

Guess we'll have to wait and see if the rest of the MSM reports it.

[sandyd921]

54. They beat the crap

out of liberals and then they whine all day that we're taking their Xmas away from them. Sure sounds like they understand the spirit of Christmas, peace on earth, and all that stuff! :sarcasm:

[thefloyd]

55. These people

are not Christian in any sense of the imagination. Give True Christians a bad name

[bluedawg12]

61. This is not religion, it's coercion, and totalitarianism, and group

think.

It is certainly not what Jesus would do.

Clearly, there is something the matter with Kansas.

Clearly this is where the radicalrightwing wants to take political discourse these days. This is not the America I know. This harkens back to violence, lynchings, and hatred and intolerance of those perceived to be a threat to "their" way of life. it's a f*cking tantrum is all it is.

[longship]

63. KS Repugs are truly insane.

This is the Republican party which has operated a phone line named "The Godarchy Line" out of their party offices. Their party news rag reads more like a Jack Chick tract than a political one. I've never been to a Repug meeting in KS but I was a Dem executive board member in Sedgwick County (Wichita). The Repugs in the most populated county in the state are totally insane theocrats. I expect that they would be that way in Lawrence, too.

This should be labelled a hate crime. Somebody should check to see if their are any Repug party connections.

[proud2BlibKansan]

80. The Repugs in Johnson County are pretty moderate

and I didn't think there were any repugs in Lawrence. LOL

Know what you mean about Wichita, though.

[symbolman]

64. WHO are these men? Were they arrested?

Are the cops on this? I think we at the DU should contact the Mayor of this city and DEMAND JUSTICE.

I DEMAND that REAL CHRISTIANS THERE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, I am OUTRAGED..

this is Brownshirt Jackbooting if I've ever seen it..

Let's get an action alert going on this, any ideas?

WHO is responsible for this, they need to PAY..

[Lex]

65. Thanks.

Boy did I read this story wrong when I first saw it. :spank:

[killbotfactory]

66. true KKKristians

Will we ever be rid of people like that?

[converted_democrat]

67. Unfuckingreal.....n/t

[tlsmith1963]

68. They Show Their True Colors

Not good Christians, are they?

Tammy

[atommom]

69. And one more twisted irony here...

as reported by Red State Rabble http://redstaterabble.blogspot.com/

BTW, uber conservative columnist John Altevogt, the man rumored to have leaked the e-mails that sparked the Mirecki controversy, is reported by Channel 6 to be skeptical that the event actually happened.

So rather than express concern, or remorse, he's implying that the beating never occurred. Things just keep getting creepier and creepier.

[wixomblues]

70. Good thing he wasn't a doctor who performed abortions....

Then, due to the overwhelming love in their hearts, and compassion for all life, they would have to kill him.

[mcscajun]

72. This morning's update on the story...

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/dec/06/mirecki_treated_after_roadside_beating/?ku_news

[Walt Starr]

73. And people skoff at me when I tell them to buy guns

If there was ever a need to prove the rightwing will become violent when their pet neocons get thrown out of office, I think that need has been fulfilled with this event.

[spanone]

74. WWJD?.....beat the shit out of you.

[No Exit]

76. God, we really HAVE returned to the dark ages.

[No Exit]

78. We could call this THE WAR ON SCIENCE

[mmonk]

79. It's starting.

I'm reminded of Hypatia. History tends to repeat itself.

[Loonman]

81. Freepers approve beatings for all evolutionists

To: Morris_Hattrick
Well, it looks like the mentality of the fundies is consistent . . .
Actually, what it looks like is that the position of all materialists and evolutionists is scientifically and morally bankrupt. Look, the guy lost a tooth. He was beaten severely. That proves beyond question evolutionists and materialists are plumb dumb and wrong. It also proves that you had best repent before the rest of us fundies don red baseball hats and wool gloves. Deal with it. Be sure to check the bushes outside before you go to sleep.


504 posted on 12/05/2005 8:43:12 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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[Strong Atheist]

82. How very .........

....... CHRISTIAN of them .....