Lieberman complaining about video games again

[jsamuel]

They just showed a segment on CNN about video games. I wasn't able to see exactly what was said (it was on mute).

Did anyone else see it?

:mad:

[slor]

1. That is what I worry about, as I lay down to sleep...

Are the video games gonna get me.

[mtnester]

2. Hey Joe - shut up...no one CARES anymore what you think

Am I way off base with my comment?

(also would like to note that the Hey Joe comment does NOT reflect any slur or slander on a fabulous song by Hendrix...may he rest in peace on this anniversary week of his early and tragic and stupid death many years ago...oh what he could have become)

[yorgatron]

6. you are square on home base

as far as i'm concerned.
STFU Joe!

[mtnester]

11. Amen n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Ignore posted in wrong place.

[TayTay]

3. My son is going to be livid again.

He is not political, but he knows who Joe Leiberman and Hillary Clinton are and he told me he registered to vote just to vote against them. This is because of the video games criticism.

Oh boy. I'll get this is all over his gaming boards.

[jobycom]

12. Hillary didn't criticize videogames, that's just the way the Repubs spun

it to make her look bad. She went after one video game manufacturer who was blatantly breaking the law. The video game manufacturer agreed to stop. End of issue. If she had gone after another corporation--say, McDonald's or Marlboro--for breaking the same type of laws, everyone would have been on her side. But the damned Repubs spun it as censorship (which it did not even resemble), and the damned liberals were too lazy to learn the truth.

I don't know what Lieberman's doing about video games. He's Emperor Palpatine, anyway. I'm sure he'll spring his trap any day now and take over the universe.

[Voltaire99]

29. Wrong: Hillary says she wants to "put teeth" into video game ratings.

Hillary's crackpot position on video games includes wanting the federal government to enforce ratings. She and Lieberman both think they know what's best for Americans to play, which is why both of these right wing prudes have to go.

See:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/14/news_6129040.html

[jobycom]

33. Oooo, scary.

Yeah, I'm trembling. So she wants the government to enforce a system already in place to let parents have a general idea of what a video game is about before they buy it for their children so corporations can't fool parents. I'll say it again--if this were McDonald's or some food conglomerate trying to pass unhealthy foods off as organic or healthy for children, DU would be all up in arms.

Sorry, but if you make an issue of that, you deserve to live under another Republican presidency.

[ContraBass Black]

44. "one video game manufacturer who was blatantly breaking the law"

No, the illegal content required an unsanctioned and unintended third-party modification.


She established a dangerous precedent.

[jobycom]

54. Yeah, and it wasn't really Michael Irvin's crack pipe.

Grow up. It's a corporation. It knew exactly what it was doing. It was even caught lying when it changed its story about where the code came from. You do realize that the code was in the game, and the mod merely provided access to it? In fact, hackers had even tricked the Playstation version of the game to unlock the porno section, and you can't even introduce code into Playstation. Rock Star knew damn good and well the code was there, that it could and would be unlocked. They tried to cheat the system, to market their product with a lower rating to increase sales and then to allow a mod cheat to turn it into a porno game, knowing word would spread through the Internet, and they would up sales even more.

They got caught cheating. Good on Clinton for being involved in catching them.

She established a good precedent. Corporations who try to cheat can be forced to comply. No new laws, no censorship, no harm done to anything but a cheating corporation. I wish more corporations could be held accountable.

[Dr Fate]

67. Haliburton and other war-profiteer corps. know what they are doing too.

Can Hillary or Joe state their position on that? Are they not killing more people and costing us more tax-payer dollars than Rockstar?

Hill & Joe could REALLY establish a good precedent and more corporations could be held accountable.

This Pac-Man stuff is small change and will be a blip on the radar to the big-time corporate cheats in energy & weapons.

[jobycom]

71. This is so irrelevant

Why does what she does concerning some other issue matter on the video game issue? I don't know when she stopped beating her husband, either.

She was right to take on Rock Star. That's what the discussion was about. Want to start a thread on Halliburton, then do it. But don't pretend you are making a point about her video game stand by talking about something else.

[Shadowen]

68. Pfft.

Yeah, the content was there. There's all sorts of content that comes with games, leftover bits of code not unlike inert genetics that weren't meant to be implemented or weren't finished. Therefore, the so-called "Hot Coffee mod" is precisely like using a third-party program to make a quest that was coded but not implemented in Baldur's Gate II. The only thing that made it worthy of internatioanl attention was apparently the fact that you get to see titty.

Yeah, they lied, because they expected that the media, not terribly savvy about this sort of shit and not too unfriendly towards corporations, would let it slide--and because it doesn't fucking matter.

You're right. They knew exactly what they were doing. They wanted that M rating, not AO, because Wal-Mart doesn't stock M games--so they would sell gigatons more if they got an M rating. So rather than cut out the Hot Coffee code entirely with unknown consequences to the game stability, they simply removed the connections in the game that allowed you to see them.

And as for the content that wasn't excised: let me ask you, which is worse? Watching your character shoot an innocent bystander, or seeing rather poorly-rendered genitals engaged in rather poorly-rendered carnal relations?

Which more deserves the AO tag?

What, did Hillary hear about the sex in the video games and say, "Oh n0es! t3h pix3lat3d s3xx0rs! i g0ts to sm4ck d0wn t3h n00bs at R* s0 t3h ch!ldr3nz n0 s33 b00bies!"

Say what you like about Thompson, but at least he's consistent.

[jobycom]

74. She forced them to follow the ratings system. If you don't like the rating

system, campaign to change it. The rules were already there. I've written more than you've thought, probably, about how screwed up our priorities about sex and violence are, so don't lecture me. You're just evading the issue, even though you agree that Clinton was right in her claims against Rock Star. If you don't like the fact that the ratings let too much violence slide through, or if you don't like our prudish attitude towards sex (both points I highly agree with), then work to change those. But until you do, the rules are there, and all Clinton did was force Rock Star to follow them.

I repeat, again, that she did not censor anything, she did not ban anything, she did not change one single regulation anywhere. She forced someone to comply with a rating system which was already in place. I could be wrong, but I don't even remember Rock Star being fined over the issue, aside from the loss of sales from re-rating the game (probably largely offset by increased sales from the publicity).

[IChing]

46. Go ahead defend her pandering, I can't, maybe you can...defend her shit

PLEASE ALL HILLARY ADVOCATES DEFEND HER, I NEED A REASON!



Parents should be able to make "sure their kids can't walk into a store and buy a video game that has graphic, violent and pornographic content,"

The ESRB already rates games based on categories including alcohol, blood, violence, sex and nudity. In addition to a detailed description typically found on the back of a video game box, the board also creates a general seven-level rating indicating the game is appropriate for ages including "early childhood," "teen," or "adults only."

http://news.com.com/Senators+target+graphic+video+games/2100-1043_3-5975913.html?part=rss&tag=5975913&subj=news

At the same time, she said the United States must "finish what it started" in Iraq.

WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Tuesday defended her vote to authorize war in Iraq amid growing unease among liberal Democrats who could determine the potential 2008 presidential candidate‘s future.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1955401&mesg_id=1955401

[jobycom]

57. You obviously have no knowledge of the issue

The maker of the game was hiding code that could be easily unlocked by an aftermarket modification. The hidden code would have required a higher rating if it were part of the game. Rock Star hid the code, knowing a mod would be written (they are in the industry, they know how it works) so they could keep their lower rating and yet, through internet word of mouth, sell the game to teens who wanted to unlock the porno code.

Hillary was part of the group that forced Rock Star to comply with the ratings on the package. They were given the choice of upping the rating or modifying the code. They chose to up the rating, last I heard.

Hillary did not ban any games, pass any laws, or try in any way to interfere with Rock Star's ability to create and sell their product. She only forced them to comply with the ratings system.

But go ahead, by the lies of BushCo and the Republican party. I can send you some emails about how she helped free the Black Panthers after they murdered someone, too, if you want. It's equally a lie, but you might want to believe it, too.

[IChing]

59. Not true, I have a great deal of knowlege on the issue.

Any game can be hacked and mod outside of the game.
The rules are already there, what are you defending?

would you like to see the mod photos from the game or even the from the orginal?
Never-mind the fact that you can blow someone away, , pillage and plunder before any mods within the rating of the game, but sex?, no, no, no,
TRY PLAYING AMERICA'S ARMY which is designed as has less of a rating than the game you speak of and is supported by the US army.

ok expert, tell me have you played the game?

Tell me since I am so "obvious without knowledge of the issue".

Then ,let us go back to her "QUOTES OF PANDERING"

[jobycom]

70. I'll just repeat what I said, since you didn't prove otherwise

You don't know what you are talking about. The mod unlocked code that was already on the game. Rock Star put the code in the game knowing someone would create a mod to unlock it. The mod did not add code, the porno sections were already there.

No one is trying to ban the porno section, so your rant about violence versus sex (something I've written about often) is not even related to the discussion. The only issue Clinton raised was that the manufacturer was violating the ratings system. They put out a game with easily unlockable scenes that should have required a higher rating system. That's all she did. She did not censor anything. She did not restrict anything. She did not regulate anything. All she did was force Rock Star to comply with a labeling system they were voluntarily using.

The rest of the noise is just swiftboating of Clinton. And you've drunk the Kool-Aid.

[TayTay]

48. Then this is a small problem for her.

My son gets his info from gaming sources on line and from friends and from the Video Game channel. (GT4 or something. I don't watch it, he does.) He knew both of these folks, when he couldn't name a lot of other Congresspeople (other than the most famous.) And he knew them and was very angry at their perceived attempts to regulate the content of games.

Sometimes it's good to know what's out there, especially if you inteend to defend against it. And this is what he heard and believed.

[jobycom]

58. Sure it's a problem for her. Just like the Black Panther email

and all the other smear efforts of the Republicans. You might have noticed a pattern by that group--they make people believe John Kerry didn't earn war medals, and people believe Al Gore was a serial exagerator. Now they are making people believe Hillary is a censor.

Hillary censored nothing, banned nothing, edited nothing, regulated nothing. She helped force a corporation to obey regulations that were already on the books. That's all. The rest is a smear attempt.

[Voltaire99]

30. Exactly right: Hillary and Lieberman are costing Dems a generation...

...of young voters.

Deservedly so, too.

Dump them both.

[LSparkle]

4. With everything happening in the world ... he's on videogames

and Specter's on Terrell Owens. RIDICULOUS!

[Loonman]

5. Shaddup, Joe

Punk.

[Dr Fate]

7. Perhaps he should suggest intensive senate hearings on this.

Just like he did for election fraud and the Downing Street Memo.

[Loonman]

8. Somewhere, in this great country, there's a big sandbox

Also big hammer.

Just waiting for Joe to show up so he can pound all that sand right up his ass.

[lilymidnite]

9. Please don't flame me, I'm being honest

I'm troubled by extremely violent video games.

This doesn't mean I want them banned, but the glorification of violence really bothers me.

E.

[arcos]

13. The problem is that he's against violent games, but for violent wars...

And that makes him a hypocrite. I imagine you are against the Iraq war... :P

[jobycom]

15. That used to be called liberalism

Not sure why it isn't anymore.

And again, for the record, Hillary didn't attack video games or video game violence. She pursued a corporation to force them to stop breaking the law. Nothing more. She didn't try to ban or limit anything.

[Dr Fate]

38. Where did she find the spare time to do that?

If she has spare time to "persue" an investigation of the goings on of gaming corporation, then perhaps she has spare time to persue an investigation of voting fraud, or an investigation of the Downing Street Memo.

I know- I know- that "used" to be called Liberalism.

[jobycom]

51. Not in her spare time, it's in her job description

She's the senator from New York, so when her constituents raise issues she looks into them if she deems them important. As for the other issues, I don't know what work she does on voter fraud or the DSMs. Maybe she isn't sold on the idea that there is rampant voter fraud. Since she's planning to run for president, I would think she'd be all over the issue if she believed the elections were rigged.

Or maybe she knows the people who are working on it and trusts them to do a proper job and inform her when her help is needed. Or maybe her work on it is behind the scenes to prevent the appearance of self-interest on the issue. Perhaps she realizes that if she were to start screaming about voter fraud, the Republicans would spin it as her own personal ambition to rig votes in her favor, and she would weaken the cause.

I imagine there are thousands of issues that she is not working on at any given time. Hell, there may be millions of issues she's not working on at any given time. My toenails need clipping. Damn her for not being available to clip them.

As a minority senator, she can't force the Repubs to investigate the DSM or to address voting fraud if they don't want to. She can, however, use her clout to pursue a corporation not obeying the law and preying on the pocketbooks of teens. I like her better for doing it. Consumer protection and corporate regulation enforcement are two of my favorite issues.

[Dr Fate]

61. Clip my nails? I'll settle for voting reform & the DSM.

...instead of the snooping in my entertainment center.

So Hill does not think voting reform needs adressing? I do. Lots of Democratic Ohio voters who stood in line all day do to. It would be a better issue than freaking games.

If she wants to focus on policing corporations, then she needs to talk about Haliburton, not pac-man.

I hope you are right- I hope that focusing on fictional games about war is really is what New Yorkers want from her- because I want her to be their Democratic Senator for years & years to come.

[jobycom]

75. Again, what does this have to do with Rock Star?

I don't like John Edwards' blatant support of the Iraqi invasion. I don't like Wesley Clark thanking God that Bush was our leader in this time of crisis. I don't like Dennis Kucinich's voting record against abortion. I don't like Howard Dean's compromises on gay rights issues. I don't like Coors beer, or meat, or PETA.

What does any of that have to do with Hillary's actions against Rock Star? People were accusing her of attacking free speech and video games. She did not such thing. She simply forced someone to comply with a rating system they had already agreed to comply with. That's what the discussion is about. Not about voting rights (She's from NY, Ohio needs their own senators), or Halliburton (who is speaking out about Halliburton, and what good has it done?) or the use of live animals as mascots for some NCAA teams.

Clinton did not censor, regulate, or ban anything. Nothing at all. She made a company comply with a ratings system they were trying to cheat. She got involved because a group of consumers came to her in the state where she was senator and asked her to look into it. There are hundreds of such issues a year she gets involved in, and none of them have anything to do with voting reform or Halliburton, either. Every senator and representative does that on a daily basis. The only real question is why so much noise and misinformation was spread about this issue? Who had something to gain? Maybe the same people who spread the Black Panther emails?

If you don't like her, you don't. I don't like Wesley Clark, because he seems like a conservative to me. But I'm not going to go making up issues to attack Clark on.

[Dr Fate]

84. Nothing- I was trying to steer the discusion towards an actual issue.

Because I could care less about Pac-Man.

I'd rather hear about Hillary focusing on more important issues.

If this is really about corporate reform, as you suggest, then she has much bigger fish to fry.

[Loonman]

16. The only difference in entertainment between now and Ancient Rome

Is Rome had no electricity for videogames so they watched real guys kill each other.

Things haven't changed, that much.

[jsamuel]

23. I understand, that's why you, as a parent (theoretically), wouldn't allow

your kids to buy violent video games.

There is already a rating system in place to tell parents what a game has in it and doesn't allow kids to buy those games.

[jobycom]

34. And Clinton and Lieberman only want to stop corporations from cheating

on that rating system. So you and I agree, right, now that you understand the issue? The rating system helps parents decide what games to buy their children, and the Dems are taking on the corporations who are trying to cheat those rating systems. Glad we're all back on the same page.

Or are you going to defend Rock Star for slipping porno into a game and pretending they didn't know about it?

[Dr Fate]

42. What are Joe & Hill doing about corporations who are profiting off war?

Like Haliburton, for instance?

Do they have a few spare moments to adress that?

Or are we going to defend Haliburton for illegal war profiteering and pretend Joe & Hill don't know about it?

[jobycom]

52. Can she do anything about them without Republican support? No.

She didn't need to rally the Senate to address Rock Star's cheating. She could do that, so she did.

[Dr Fate]

60. Can she at least mention it, like when she talks about this?

I could care less about Rock Star. They are not promoting wars based on lies.

If Hillary would dare to utter a sentence about war profiteering, the GOP/media would be forced to respond.

I would prefer she shed light on war profiteering- or ANY important issue other than Pac-Man.

[jobycom]

82. You know, if you paid a little attention...

She has been speaking out, and it has not resulted in the GOP or media being forced to respond. The media is completely owned and is inseparable from the GOP. Most of our leaders who are bashed here for not speaking out have been shouting out, but no one pays enough attention to hear them. Far easier to bash them. But the Repubs understand.


"The only source of that expertise? What else but the Halliburton Co. of Houston, which Sen. Clinton has been accusing since early in the Iraq war of profiteering through no-bid government contracts."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513775/posts

-----------------

Hillary Slams Halliburton for 'Exorbitant Charges'

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton is blasting Halliburton, the oil services company formerly run by Vice President Dick Cheney, for what she described as its "exorbitant charges" for gasoline supplied to Iraq - even though the Army Corps of Engineers was singled out as the guilty party in a Pentagon report released yesterday.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/1/1/121926.shtml

-------------------------

Statement By Senator Hillary Clinton
Democratic Policy Committee Hearing On Contracting Abuses In Iraq
November 3, 2003


Last week’s issue of Newsweek has a story titled the “$87 Billion Money Pit,” which
reports that “Numerous allegations of overspending, favoritism and corruption have
surfaced. Halliburton, a major defense contractor once run by Vice President Dick
Cheney, has been accused of gouging prices on imported fuel--charging $1.59 a gallon
while the Iraqis ‘get up to speed,’ when the Iraqi national oil company says it can now
buy it at no more than 98 cents a gallon. (The difference is about $300 million.) Cronies
of Iraqi exile leader Ahmad Chalabi, Newsweek has learned, were recently awarded a
large chunk of a major contract for mobile telecommunications networks.”
Finally, the Center for Public Integrity has reported that more than 70 American
companies and individuals have won up to $8 billion in contracts for work in postwar
Iraq and Afghanistan over the last two years. The Center found that those companies
contributed more money to the presidential campaign of George W. Bush—more than
$500,000—than to any other politician over the last dozen years.

http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/hearings/hearing6/clinton.pdf

[Dr Fate]

85. I like this reply much better than "she cant do anything about it."

She can do somthing about it- and she can talk about these things when she is on TV interview shows.

But I was wrong to suggest she neve mentioned it- I stand corrected.

[Occulus]

43. Oh, come now.

Adults-Only (AO) games aren't sold "in public"; at least, no stores near me sell them, and that includes Best Buy and Gamestop.

I'm sure you're aware that, once the ratings system "has teeth", you'll see a general broadening of what constitutes an AO game.

These games won't be sold over the counter, but more to the point, I will not be able to buy them. I might not even know about them if the gaming mags decide to stop reviewing them "because kids read the magazine".

That appears to be the ultimate goal: getting any sort of violent game "for adults" off the shelves and eventually unsold and unmade.

I'll piss you people off severely if I ever get into this industry. Seriously. I, through my talents, declare war on you.

[Shadowen]

64. Can I join you?

I have a game design in mind that will make Soldier of Fortune II look like Dark Forces.

[jobycom]

76. The law was already in place, she made someone comply with it.

You don't like the law, have it changed. You don't like what you think may be a future law, fight to prevent it. That's why we have courts. Hillary banned nothing, censored nothing, regulated nothing. She simply forced a company to quit advertising a game one way when it was another. No different than if she had forced cigarette companies to post the surgeon general warning, or forced Tom DeLay to comply with campaign finance laws (which many Repubs argue is a violation of free speech, too).

And I can buy any AO game in the world through the same medium you are using to whine about irrelevancies here now. Walmart doesn't sell "Lesbo teens caught on tape their first time!" either, but you can sure get it if you want it.

[ContraBass Black]

45. Many games ship with inacessible and removed content on the disk.

I don't believe that Rockstar was attempting to slip game porn to kids, or that Clinton and Lieberman were justified.

[jobycom]

79. The content wasn't inaccessible or "removed."

It could even be unlocked with simple hacking devices on their game module models. They knew it was there, they knew a mod would be created to unlock it. They tried to cheat the ratings system and got caught. Blaming Hillary for forcing them to comply with a ratings system that the gaming industry helped to create is just wrong.

Keep in mind the point of the ratings system was to prevent stronger legislation limiting such games. So by cheating, Rock Star endangered the ratings system and made actual censorship more of a possibility.

[jsamuel]

72. "Or are you going to defend Rock Star for slipping porno into a game"

:eyes:






since when are bare breasts "porno"?

how many pg-13 movies flash the same bare breasts?

if a movie edits out the sex scene to lower the rating from R to pg-13, is that cheeting too? Since someone could download the scene from the internet, the company should change the rating to R, right?



Moving on...

10,000,000 more important things for senators to be worrying about.

[jobycom]

80. Simulated sex is the issue

not bare breasts. And I don't give a damn about WHAT content Rock Star used to cheat the system. They cheated. A group of consumers came to Clinton from the state where she is senator and asked her to help them. She did. Rock Star was forced to comply with the law. Hillary good. Attempts to smeear her bad. End of story.

You don't shut down every minor issue government deals with just because there are bigger issues to deal with, too. You don't shut down all schools because they are less important than the genocidal slaughter in Iraq. You try to keep everything going. Rock Star broke the rules, a group of consumers asked their senator to get involved, and she did. I wish I had a senator like that here in Texas.

[Chovexani]

32. Then don't buy them

:shrug:

Really what part of this is difficult to understand?

[LiberalPersona]

36. Why?

Have you tried playing one? It's a great way to blow off steam. It's much better than punching someone in the face when they piss you off and a great way to keep control of your emotions.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

81. I agree! I can't believe so many people here think it's ok.....

Unless it shows Bush, Cheney or Rove being frog marched or something.

[marmar]

10. Do you think he has a clue ...

what a neomaxizoomdweebie real liberals think he is?

:shrug:

[Freddie Stubbs]

27. Do you think that he cares?

He is a centrist, not a liberal. But what does he know? He was only elected as a Connecticut State Senator three times, CT Attorney General twice, and a US Senator three times. Perhaps he does know heat he is doing.

[marmar]

37. I now have a lower opinion of Connecticut.

Thanks for your input.

[Freddie Stubbs]

69. Then you probably won't be very happy next November when

Senator Lieberman is reelected.

[AX10]

14. Lieberman better understand the he will NEED MY VOTE...

if he wants a fourth term.

I do not care about video games. Let's here more about Iraq, you Chickenhawk. :mad:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Joe's against make believe violence, but likes the real thing.

I have no idea if, or how, or how many, deaths violent video games have caused, but I'm speculating the war and occupation of Iraq that Joe supports has probably caused a few more.

[Generator]

22. Yes but he means well and has a "D" behind his name

Isn't that ENOUGH for you people? (yes I'm laughing bitterly)

[stepnw1f]

19. Lieberman is a Far Right Nut case Opportunist

I can't stand the maggot.

[MemphisTiger]

20. Apparently he hasn't played Fight Night

it's pretty fun

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

21. Should we chip in and get him a copy of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas?

[TlalocW]

24. How would Joe feel about a video game

That was a first person shooter game about the Iraq War then? Would he compromise then?

There has never been any reliable proof that violent video games cause violence. In fact, I believe violent crime has been on the decrease since Clinton while video games have gotten more violent. While we can't make the case that violent video games cause less real violence, we can certainly say that their argument about video games is full of shit.

TlalocW

[jsamuel]

26. mostly true, but I would add that we can say that

the increase of violent video games is loosely correlated with a decrease in real violent crimes.


Here:
Since 1990:

Violent Video Game Sales: Up, Up, Up
Violent Crimes: Down, Down, Down

[ScooterKen]

25. How stupid can he get?

Kids used to play Cowboys and Indians before there were video games, and they used real-looking cap guns. You never saw anyone blame Cowboys and Indians for violence, have you? Hell, that game was politically incorrect, AND based on actual historical violence!

[Voltaire99]

28. Shove it up your Xbox, Joe!

Can't Connecticut field a decent replacement for this prune-faced fascist?

[Sir_Snooze]

41. What about the US government?

I think that the US gov't killing innocents is far more influential then video games.

I love my Video Games, and there's no way they're to blame.

[Chovexani]

31. I missed it thank gods

Because I just know my head would have exploded.

Holy Joe, don't you have better things to do?

[LiberalPersona]

35. Maybe

we'll get lucky and he'll pull something stupid enough to get into trouble, like Thompson did. People that want to tell us what kind of harmless entertainment we can play with have no business being in politics.

[Sabriel]

39. When video games kill 2110 U. S. military personnel...

...and tens of thousands of civilians, then maybe someone will do something about them.

Or not.

[cboy4]

40. You mean I actually voted for this man for V.P.?

N/T

[killbotfactory]

47. This issue must have tested well in focus groups

They don't think highly of the average voter.

[Dr Fate]

66. A focus group from over a year ago too, I'll bet...

...the same focus groups who convinced her that telling the truth about this war would make her seem weak on defense.

Her positions have a "last year" feel to them.

[edbermac]

49. Joe, go take a nap...

We'll wake you in 20 years or so...:boring:

[leesa]

50. Doesn't he realize they help kids grow up to kill Muslims? He should be

for it.

[Nevernose]

53. This is Tipper Gore all over again

Al's wife, I swear, did more to hurt the progressive movement than anyone else alive. ADmittedly, I know some really crazy people, but many of them in 2000 said things like, "Well, Gore makes more since, but I can't trust him or his wife since they tried to ban my music." Bill was able to overcome the albatross of a vice-president associated with a perceived anti-youth campaigner.

I'm not comparing Hilary (who's been linked yet again to this) to Tipper in a spousal fashion, but in terms of the topics they have chosen. Ultimately irrelevant, and can do more harm than good.

Did everyone miss "Bowling for Columbine" or is it just me?

[LittleClarkie]

55. It's a battle between Lieberman and Clinton I guess

to see who gets to own this issue.

Like we don't have other problems. Sheesh. :eyes:

[FreedomAngel82]

56. So nothing about the violence in Iraq?

[Dr Fate]

62. Sure- so long as it is in a fictional game in your private home.

n/t

[Shadowen]

63. Hey, Lieberman.

Shut your bagel-hole unless you have something that fucking matters to say, a'ight?

[daleo]

65. Violent video games, bad

Violent invasion and occupation, good.

So much for his reasoning.

[hatrack]

73. Joe & video games, Hastert & CHRISTMASCHRISTMASCHRISTMAS trees . . .

Why don't they get together for lunch in the elegant dining room of the Irrelevant Hotel? I'm sure they'd have lots to talk about.

:eyes:

[pdxmom]

77. So Leiberman is against fake violence, but is all for real

death, torture, violence and war?

And he still claims to be a Democrat? Only a Republican engages in that kind of blatant hypocrisy.

[lovuian]

78. Its because kids don't watch the Boob tube anymore......

I swear thats dumbing down our kids!!!

[wixomblues]

83. Politics of distraction.....

I hate it, hate it, hate it when dems try and steal repuke tactics. Play the moral virtue card, don't look at the people who are unemployed, hungry, dieing in an illegal war, or can't afford health insurance. No, let's focus on the expensive console games of the middle class. That's why we have Senators.

[LuCifer]

86. HE HAS GOT TO GO!!!!!!!!

HE CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO WIN AGAIN! HE HAS GOT TO GO!!!!!!!!