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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 07:13 AM
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since there is no future, other than the rapture, anything goes
millions of people actually base their whole life and belief system on this bizarre notion, including maybe our president.

how sick is this? soon all the sinners and non believers will go to eternal punishment, and we the true believers will reside forever in heaven, so why be nice anymore? why not just go on a sin rampage and let the chips fall where they may? is that how the war is justified unto jesus?

it's very difficult to deal rationally with those who think in this childish way.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 07:32 AM
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1. I read a lot of creation vs. evolution threads at other places
Edited on Mon Nov-28-05 07:47 AM by bowens43
and I am always amazed at the number of Christans who would be running around raping, killing and pillaging if not for their fear of eternal damnation. They are always saying things like 'If there's no judgment day before our Lord then we may as well murder and rape. Why shouldn't we?'. These are the same idiots that claim that all morality and law originates with the bible.

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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 07:35 AM
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2. If you read around there is a lot
of sex with kids at different Churches. IMHO, these ppl really believe it is OK as long as they 'confessed' their sins.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 07:41 AM
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3. I say it's each to his own, just don't push your belief on me.
That's what so many of these evangelicals are trying to do. Personally I don't believe in the 'rapture' 'Armageddon' etc. I believe in Karma. How can you have a real discussion about real problems when someone throws the God thing in there? It's kinda' like trying to reason with someone who believes he is heaven bound if he dies for his/her cause. I agree with you Mo, we have a very sick man in charge, very delusional.
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panhead1961 Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 07:48 AM
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4. Many Arguments
I work with a few "Hippocratic Christians" and have asked many times why they are in such a rush for the world to end. Seems a tad selfish to me and maybe NUTS. Are they that unhappy with their lives that they want this to all end? Do they really hate their children that much? Maybe they are just to chicken to stick the gun in their own mouth?

Lets start a new campaign,
DICK HEAD - (DO IT CHRISTIAN KNIGHTS - HEALING EVEN AFTER DEATH)

Ignorant douche bags - One more reason to move out of this once great country. Stay and fight or cut and run an every day dilemma.
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 08:01 AM
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6. DICK HEAD -that's funny
:rofl:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 10:44 AM
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18. Hi panhead1961!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 07:56 AM
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5. Like all delusional behaviors..
... this will end badly for everyone, but most of all for the believers.

Living in this world requires looking to the future and making preparations for it. Those who don't will be left wondering what became of their god while they stand in the soup line.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 09:29 AM
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11. No, they'd just view that as a "test"..........
they'd never think god has abandoned them or that there is no god. They'll merely view that as a "test of their faith" and carry on as they always have.
That's the point of religion in the first place. For all of the "have nots" there MUST be a promise of eternal reward in an afterlife because they're getting shafted by the rich in THIS life. Sure, their lives on earth may suck, but when they die and fly up into the kingdom of heaven THEN they'll receive their reward for being so patient while the rich fucked them over in real life.
It's a beautiful system when you think about it. The rich get everything in this life but nothing in the next. The poor get nothing in this life but everything in the next. Without this system in place there would be total anarchy in the world, everyone would want their fair share.
Whoever created this religious system knew the importance keeping the little man "in his place". ;)
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 09:49 AM
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14. Oh you're probably right..
.... but somehow I don't see many Americans having the 'patience' of Job.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 08:04 AM
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7. The war is the necessary pathway. They have to go through Iraq to get to
Jerusalem which must be controlled by Israel. They will convert the Jews that they can and slaughter the rest. Then the Rapture Mobile comes.
This is all Revelations mumbojumbo with a side of Tim Le Haye's 'Left Behind' series thrown in. Even Saddam is predicted, which is why the Chief Lunatic feels he was chosen to wage battle with him.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 08:11 AM
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8. Astonishing that
a Christian could believe it is okay to disregard the teachings of Christ to help bring about a scenario that is not even really in the Bible (just a cult-leader's idea from almost 200 years ago).

Also astonishing that they believe so completely in the Old Testament, written by Jews, who, themselves, say it is not to be taken literally.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 08:31 AM
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9. I wish they'd all hurry up and leave the rest of us behind on Earth...
... just gas up the Lexus first and leave the keys in the ignition. :)
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 09:06 AM
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10. Read the article in Vanity Fair on Tim LaHaye and BE AFRAID.
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 09:47 AM
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13. Vanity Fair article on Tim LaHaye free online
Edited on Mon Nov-28-05 09:50 AM by Dunvegan
Read the Vanity Fair article on Tim LaHaye online free:

American "Rapture"

Vanity Fair - Dec. 2005
By CRAIG UNGER

http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/articles/051128roco02
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 09:43 AM
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12. All this "End of the World" thinking is really quite dangerous.
People can believe what they believe and I don't want to interfere with that, but at the point at which they are making decisions based on nothing more than their beliefs (for which, let's face it, they have no empirical evidence for) that could very well end up killing a lot of people, ruining the environment and killing even more (if not everybody), it's time to have a nice, long chat. Not that it would do any good.

But, seriously, I was raised in a Fundamentalist religion that also believed in the impending "end of the world". They even would occasionally come up with specific dates. Well, those dates would go by and suddenly, the leadership would be blaming the people for believing that false stuff, even though they themselves had come up with it. It's amazing that more people don't see what's going on and fall for it. It's pretty simplistic and obvious. However, their need to believe and the alternative (finding something else to believe, searching for a long time, which isn't easy, I'll admit) are enough to keep them there, I guess.

They have "safety valves" in their brain, as others have pointed out -- either it's a "test" or they were just wrong before but now they're right or "God moves in mysterious ways". And all of that allows them to just keep rushing for the edge of the cliff because, hey, God's going to catch them when they go over.

Only problem is that they might just drag a bunch of us down with them.
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 09:51 AM
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15. Beware of "False Prophets"...Excerpt from Vanity Fair Article + LeHaye Bio
Read the Vanity Fair article on Tim LaHaye online free:

American "Rapture"
Best-selling author and evangelical leader Tim LaHaye has contacts that extend to the White House. That could spell trouble, since his theology espouses a bloody apocalypse in Israel

By CRAIG UNGER

http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/articles/051128roco02

On a scorching afternoon in May, Tim LaHaye, the 79-year-old co-author of the "Left Behind" series of apocalyptic thrillers, leads several dozen of his acolytes up a long, winding path to a hilltop in the ancient fortress city of Megiddo, Israel. LaHaye is not a household name in the secular world, but in the parallel universe of evangelical Christians he is the ultimate cultural icon. The author or co-author of more than 75 books, LaHaye in 2001 was named the most influential American evangelical leader of the past 25 years by the Institute for the Study of American Evangelicals. With more than 63 million copies of his "Left Behind" novels sold, he is one of the best-selling authors in all of American history. Here, a group of about 90 evangelical Christians who embrace the astonishing theology he espouses have joined him in the Holy Land for the "Walking Where Jesus Walked" tour.

--snip--

Addressing the group from the very spot where the conflict is to take place, Frazier turns to Revelation 19, which describes Christ going into battle. "It thrills my heart every time that I read these words," he says, then begins to read: "'And I saw heaven standing open.… And there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire.'"

Frazier pauses to explain the text. "This doesn't sound like compassionate Jesus," he says. "This doesn't sound like the suffering servant of Isaiah 53. This is the Warrior King. He judges and makes war."

--snip--

As we walk down from the top of the hill of Megiddo, one of them looks out over the Jezreel Valley. "Can you imagine this entire valley filled with blood?" he asks. "That would be a 200-mile-long river of blood, four and a half feet deep. We've done the math. That's the blood of as many as two and a half billion people."

Extraordinary article and a fast read. Recommended. Know thine enemy.

And to LaHaye: "Get thee behind me...aren't you one of them fellahs that the Book references: Beware of false profits?*

* And, as it says above so shall be here beneath, with more than 63 million copies of LaHaye's "Left Behind" novels sold, he is one of the best-selling authors in all of American history.

ABOUT LEHAYE: (from http://tinyurl.com/8qlyd)


Tim LaHaye was born in 1926 in Detroit, Michigan. He fought in World War II and afterwards attended Bob Jones University in South Carolina. Bob Jones is a Fundamentalist school known for intense anti-Catholicism. It also did not admit African American students until the 1970s and, between 1950 and 2000, maintained a policy against interracial dating among students. The school explained that intermarriage among the races would further the cause of "One World Government" and thus the Antichrist. While attending Bob Jones, LaHaye met his wife, Beverly. He also began to pastor a church during this time.

The LaHayes have been active in politics. Tim was a co-founder of Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority and founded a number of his own Christian political action groups as well. Beverly founded Concerned Women for America, a rival of the National Organization for Women that has a membership substantially greater than NOW.

Scandal continued to dog LaHaye when it was revealed that he had connections with the Unification Church ("the Moonies"). The head of the Unification Church is Sun Myung Moon, who has proclaimed himself "the world’s new Messiah" and "the Lord of the Second Advent." LaHaye was the chair of Moon’s Coalition for Religious Freedom, and is reported to have received at least half a million dollars in funding from Moon’s associate Bo Hi Park. LaHaye and his wife have attended and spoken at Moon-sponsored events, though they have made it clear that they do not endorse Moon’s theological ideas.

LaHaye’s association with Sun Myung Moon is especially perplexing. As a man who has written so many books warning people about the Antichrist, LaHaye is one of the last people one would expect to ally with a man who literally is a false Christ.

LaHaye claims that the idea for the Left Behind series came to him on a plane trip in the 1980s. He explains: This is an idea that the Lord gave me when I was on a plane. The airline captain came out of his cave and he started flirting with the head stewardess. I noticed that he had a wedding ring on. She did not. I began to see the sparks flying between these two and as he went back into the , I got to thinking, "What if the Rapture occurred right now? On this plane, a third of these people would be gone. It would be pandemonium." I imagined this guy, married to I assumed, a Christian, and all of the sudden


Postscript: As Boris Johnson MP says about Bush ranting at Blair about bombing Al Jazeera...LeHaye is obviously "shouty-crackers."
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 10:57 AM
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19. Great read.
Thanks for the link.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 10:03 AM
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16. Some folks are addicted to drama
and chaos, and of course, you have those who expect the Rapture to prove to US, THE UNGODLY ONES that they are indeed special and pure and woe to us as we watch them rise up on a beam of light to meet their Imaginary Friend.....

It's all about insecurity. They've found out that money can't buy security and political power can't buy it and they'll NEVER figure out that just getting along with their own neighbors is a great first step.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 10:04 AM
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17. Bom dia!
:hug:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 01:06 PM
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20. Boa Tarde, ahora!
:hug:

I have to get ready for work now. *blah smiley here* I have some new (and used) CD's to take to play tonight, so I am kind of happy about that.

Hope all is well with you, my friend!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 01:26 PM
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21. Tudo ruim agora, mas
podemos falar mais tarde. :(
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 04:55 PM
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24. Check your PM, Irmao
:hug:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 01:30 PM
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22. We saw the same thing when saint ronnie was annointed.
Never underestimate the power of self delusion.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 02:15 PM
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23. I'm in favor of the Rapture.
If it rids the world of these useless wastes of DNA, bring it on!
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