Jesus condemns conservatives to ETERNAL HELL -here's their proof

[upi402]

(this was from the Bill Moyers on Arianna Huffington posting)


Matthew 25: 31 to 46 which reads:(New International Version)

The Sheep and the Goats

31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

[Erika]

1. Christ is missing from the theocrat neocon GOP's

Completely. People are finally recognizing that.

[napi21]

3. I can only wish the people are recognizing that.

There seem to be a lot of goats on the left side of Christ that aren't seeing any of that!

[mwb970]

23. Ten Commandments good, Sermon On Mount bad. (n/t)

[tuvor]

2. Someone on DU posted a graphic ages ago

It was a photo of some Shock and Awe explosion, with the words "Whatsoever you did to the least of these, you also did to me."

Wish I'd saved it. Powerful stuff it was.

[lildreamer316]

7. This one?

[tuvor]

Thank you very much, lildreamer.

Onto my hard drive it goes! :)

[niallmac]

4. If ever there was a phrase to make a conservative neocon choke:

45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'.....NOLA for instance...

[NAO]

5. Conservative Christians are DEAD WRONG on BOTH economic AND social

issues.

If we were trully a Christian Nation, things would be EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of those supported by the so-called "religious right".

IF we were a truly Christian Nation, we would NOT have elected Bush nor would we tolerate ANY of the SOCIAL POLICY nor the ECONOMIC POLICY of the GOP, both of which are opposed by the teachings of Jesus Christ.

The "Christian Right" has got it WRONG on both the "values agenda" AND the right wing economic/abolition of social programs agenda.

On Being a Christian Nation

Part I: Jesus vs. The Social Conservatives - Culture Wars in the Time of Christ

- Let Him Who Is Without Sin Condemn the First Gay (John 8:3-11)
- Foreign Objects in the Eyes, or Jesus Teaches Us How (and More Importantly, to Whom) to Apply Biblical Laws (Matthew 7:1-3)

Part II: Jesus vs. The Economic Conservatives - Did Jesus Teach Personal or Social Responsibility?
- Separating the Sheep Nations from the Goat Nations, Based on Domestic Economic Policy - Subsistence Programs (Matthew 25:31-46)
- Not My Responsibility? The Pharisee and the Levite Had Excuses, too (Luke 10:30-37)

Part III: Putting Parts I and II Together - On Being a Christian Nation
- What Parts of the Bible Should we Apply to Nations and to Government Policy?
- What Parts of the Bible Should we Apply only to Individuals?

**********************

Part I: Jesus vs. The Social Conservatives - Culture Wars in the Time of Christ

Let Him Who Is Without Sin Condemn the First Gay (John 8:3-11)

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

“No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

Foreign Objects in the Eyes, or Jesus Teaches Us How (and More Importantly, to Whom) to Apply Biblical Laws (Matthew 7:1-3)

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

Part II: Jesus vs. The Economic Conservatives - Did Jesus Teach Personal or Social Responsitility?

Seperating the Sheep Nations from the Goat Nations, Based on Domestic Economic Policy - Subsistence Programs (Matthew 25:31-46)

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

"Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

“He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Not My Responsibility? The Priest and the Levite Didn't Think So, Either (Luke 10:30-37)

In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

“Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

Part III: Putting Parts I and II Together - On Being a Christian Nation

What Parts of the Bible Should we Apply to Nations and to Government Policy? What Parts of the Bible Should we Apply only to Individuals?

The Religious Right frequently emphasizes that God will Judge us "as a Nation". They combine this notion with their condemnation of certain behaviors of individuals, and this is the basis of the "culture wars" and the "values vote". They rally for the government to pass laws that uphold (their version of) Biblical standards. They want to ban gay marriage. They maintain that as Christians, we should not only observe God's commandments, but enact them as governmental legislation.

Curiously, when passages such as Matthew 25:31-46 are discussed, they quickly retreat from the notion that Christs teachings should be enacted as government legislation. They assert that charity - helping the poor, feeding the hungry, caring for the sick, and so forth - should be left to individuals and to the churches. They do not believe that these divine directives should be on the national agenda, nor do they believe that welfare and other subsistence programs are properly the duty of the federal government.

So if it's about condemning sin, they are in favor of shaping government and passing laws to mirror God's directives...but when it's about taking care of 'the least of these', they think that it should be left to individuals, that it is not the proper place of the governmetn to pass laws to enforce these divine directives. Now that would seem to be the exact opposite of what Jesus plainly taught in the passages cited above (Judge not, let him who is without sin, etc). Somehow, those on the Religious Right have got it wrong on both counts, and have both issues completely backwards.

They are working to have the values agenda (which is nothing more than the condemning of others based on the Laws of Moses) built into the structure of government...but when you talk about building the helping of the poor, the feeding of the sick into the structure of government, they immediately launch into right wing talking points about how THAT is not the proper role of government, but should be left to private individuals and charities.

Now the words of Jesus quoted above indicate, beyond any doubt, that the exact opposite is the correct course in both cases. Adherence to the Laws of Moses SHOULD be left to private individuals and at most, the churches. We have been commanded by Jesus NOT to engage in the moral condemnation of others. Conversely, we have been commanded to feed, clothe and shelter those in need.

If Christians REALLY want a Christian nation, they should vote for a ban on the condemning of sinners (unless of course you are 100% sin free, in which case feel free to blast them) AND they should provide a MANDATE for social programs.

[hunter]

20. I would never compare homosexuality to adultry.

I am absolutely certain that homosexual partnerships including marriage are fully equivalent to heterosexual partnerships.

(My quick definition of adultry would be a sexual relationship that is harmful to one's self or one's partners.)

[mermaid]

6. Great Stuff!! :-)

Stick it in your pipe and smoke it, conservocreep fucktards!!

Go on...keep lining your own pockets at the expense of the poor and downtrodden, like me, and keep pretending you see not my suffering, hear not my cries...for in the end, you fuckers shall go to hell for the way you treated me!!

[FreedomAngel82]

12. It's so sad

what these people have done to the faith I believe in and how things have just changed it seems. I really hope they all learn one day. All they vote on is sexual issues. Nothing dealing with the pour or enviornment or anything else the New Testament talks about. I am a liberal democrat because I'm a Christian. Not some rightwing fundie who just thinks about sex.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

8. You know, for an atheist

I always kinda liked this Jesus guy!

[upi402]

10. LOL, me too. Jesus was my favorite socialist EVER!

[lolly]

11. Damn, I Hope Those Christians Are Right About Everything!

Lately, I find myself, as an agnostic, really, really hoping that the whole Christian thing is spot-on.

Don't these vicious, bloodthirsty right-wingers who hide behind the name of Christ think that "taking the Lord's name in vain" might very well mean using the Lord's name to justify behaving in a way that is utterly and completely antithetical to everything Jesus preached or practiced?

Are they all living in Bizarro world?

[Erika]

13. My claim to any religious beliefs was that I believed

anyone who led by the teachings of Christ, led the correct way. I'm totally dismayed by the right wingers who wish to do away with help for the needy while promoting tax cuts for the rich. They want to do away with school lunches for the poor while decreasing the taxes to the most wealthy. It's not going to fly. Sooner or later, the country will smack the rich right in the face. Much of the South fought for continuation of slavery for economic purposes. Enough is enough.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

17. Well, to quote Gore Vidal

"If the poor knew how much fun the rich were havng, they would rise up and eat them"

[karlrschneider]

9. I give wingnuts apoplexy now and then by posting this Liberal bit:

and of course leaving out the attribution...it's interesting to note some of them don't recognize the source.

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Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of
God.

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for
theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

[Erika]

14. The W administration is recoiling

The W administration is in direct opposition to Christs mandates.

[upi402]

15. BushCo exploits religious folks like TV Evangelists do -as suckers

It's so evil. I really really hope there's a hell.

[Selatius]

16. And Jesus was killed for challenging those who exploited others

He was crucified and made to suffer before he died because he dared to challenge the people who controlled everything for their own benefit. He dreamt of a world built on mutual friendship and cooperation, not endless competition, and he paid a price for such a dream.

I say it was a worthy price to pay, but unfortunately, the message has been lost on many people, but some got the message, so it wasn't all a loss. Some good did come from it. It wasn't enough to stop the bloodshed of the last 2000 years, but I guess it was better than not standing up and fighting at all.

[Name removed]

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[pengu1n]

19. Religion - causes so many problems

Don't read their book - read ours. We have a hot line to God.
Good grief.

Never met a christian who wasn't screwed up inside with guilt.
Never met a christian who wasn't a Hypocrite.
Actually - I try to avoid all religeous types.
Their low moral standards upset me.

God - I have time for. The idiots who speak "in His name"...like the fool posting here....not one second.

If heaven is full of christans - I don't want to be there!

[mermaid]

22. Hey

Now that the message you actually responded to has been deleted by Mods, I wanted to be sure people understood that the context of your message was against the guy who posted Reply #18...and not the Original Poster, okay?

[hunter]

24. The deleted post #18 was rather toxic.

It began with one of those thinly veiled racist slurs, and then it got worse.

They're watching us too and a link was posted to their discussion board where they spend a lot of time talking about us whenever they are not playing with their balls.

[mermaid]

25. I Never Saw It - I'll Take Your Word

My point was...it seemed to me, reading in a bit, that the post referred to post #18, but now that it has been removed, someone might get the false impression that the message refers to the original post, and not to post #18 which was deleted. If one was just skimming, and not really thinking...it could be misconstrued. That was my point.

[xchrom]

21. kicking this for

the freeper trolls.

enjoy the heat motherfuckers!:evilgrin:

[myrna minx]

26. They also use the book of Revelation as some sort of violent playbook,

when it is indeed a book of hope for the downtrodden.
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