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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:44 PM
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Are East Coast/West Coast liberals different?
Different from liberals who live in "flyover" country, that is?

I am from the SF Bay Area, went to college in the Boston area, and now I have lived in the Austin area since 1998. It seems to me that liberals who live in places like Austin, or Madison, Wisconsin, or Columbus, Ohio seem a little more attuned to what will "sell" with voters in the heartland, or voters who are politically moderate.

I could be wrong about this, I admit, but it just seems to me that liberals who don't live in either the West coast or the northeast seem a little more "in touch" with the values of people in places like Missouri. As such, I think liberals who live in "flyover" country seem to be a little more pragmatic about politics.

My experience in college, a very very liberal university community, was that the liberal students from places like NYC, DC and Philly looked upon people in the south and the mountain west with contempt, while the liberal students from Texas or Arizona did not share these attitudes.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:47 PM
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1. I'm very pragmatic here in the East Coast.
Edited on Sat Nov-19-05 10:47 PM by Mr_Spock
I do think you will find more "pragmatic" types in the middle where there are more of the venom-spewing rednecks not far away...
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:51 PM
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2. I don't know - I'm from Madison, WI
and I hate repug bastards as much as anyone on the coasts.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:54 PM
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3. Berkeley post grad here. Contempt is not a family value. n/t
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:57 PM
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4. I think the East Coast Liberals killed Tupac myself...
actually....

I am a liberal from Montana who has gone to college in Seattle (West Coast) and Tucson, AZ, which is in a Red State. There are some differences. For example, I'm a little more in tune to more Conservative positions on gun control, because I am from a state where pretty much everyone is a hunter. (ironically I'm not one) I also know many people who are naturally Conservative, like farmers and ranchers. I grew up with them, like them and know many of their families very well. So, I'm personally in touch with a lot of things like that. I also know how otherwise good people can be freaked out by something different then what they are used to. Such as gays or lesbians. In fact, a black person in my community would be the talk of the town. So I see how easily people can be divided on many of these issues. Most people from larger cities on the Coasts wouldn't be able to fully grasp that. Most liberals from the Coasts would be uncomfortable in many ways living where I grew up. So I think it helps me in some ways that I have that in my background, as I maybe have a better personal grasp of it all then someone who has never been there. But still, an infinitely curious person who is open-minded can go a long way toward reaching that same understanding, no matter where they are from. It takes a lot of work to do so, but it can be done.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:57 PM
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Pragmatic West Coast liberal here.
There may be a bit more room here for "out of the mainstream" views, but there are also many, many practical, "in touch" with Middle-America folks, too. CA is a huge state, and therefore contains a massive and diverse section of Democrats and liberals.

It's easy to stereotype all Californians based on the more outlandish of us. In any case, we all celebrate our recent victory/comeback, and look forward to a thorough trouncing of the Gropenator after we let him twist in the wind some.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:10 AM
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8. But first, we have to fight Diebold. Look at this action:
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:57 PM
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5. I don't think it's that complicated
People who are from the middle of the country simply know the people from those areas better. And people from the east coast and west coast know the people of their region best. I'm an east coast liberal, and I don't feel contempt for midwest liberals. I feel contempt for Rethug bastards.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:59 PM
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6. Only by location
;)
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BeTheChange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:02 PM
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7. I think you make a very valid point...
Im from NY, raised in Texas, 5 years in Cali... then back to Texas for a couple years.. now.. Im in WA.

I spent my teenage and college years running from the idea that had been put into my head that somehow, people in the south were unworthy rednecks. My family is a big italian/irish dem family from NY. I was incessantly teased by them when we would go back home to visit. I never really gave the south a chance and I got the hell out as soon as I could.

It was interesting going back to Texas... I realized that preconcieved notions and sterotyping didnt do anyone a whole lotta good. I came to love Molly Ivins, Jim Hightower... Garrison... the kindness of people, the libertarian and democratic tendencies that ran deep. It was nice not to be freaking assaulted by beliefs... I had great debates and conversations, with freaking politeness and respect.

Im glad to be back in the Pac NW but when it comes to attitudes, Im often very turned off by the abrasive way in which they are presented. Im glad only the holidays bring the cynicism and sarcasm of my family in the east.

Give me a glass of sweet tea, a slow southern breeze, some cards and a discussion where I dont have to fight every sentence tooth and nail, especially when we are on the same side.. give me breaks of silent consideration and slow smiles, shakes of the head and chuckles. The populist approach just makes my ears listen a bit more.

But that is just me.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:12 AM
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9. i think the west coast has more
experimental liberals.

folks who will purposely try out a different idea for the very reason it's different.
it has been known to bite us in the ass.

but we do it anyway.
gives the rest of you something to talk about.
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