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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 06:41 PM
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I'm studying Anti-GLBT Violence
Edited on Sat Nov-19-05 06:42 PM by ck4829
I've been interested in this for a while, but I could never find any information about it.

What makes a Homophobe tick?

It is, without a doubt, Social Conservatism that is the driving force behind Homophobia.

I have studied several attacks, looked at the attacker, looked at what they did, what their motive was, etc.

I have found several causes for Homophobia.

They include:

Misogyny - This is true when a man attacks a Lesbian. It has happened a lot recently. It seems as though some men just fly off the deep end when a Lesbian refuses to let him have her. Many Gay men are also attacked because they are believed to be feminine.

The teachings of the 'christian' Right - No explanation required.

Far Right Ideology - The sort of 'moralism' and 'traditionalism' that lurks in the Far Right teaches that being Gay is wrong.

Gang Violence - Gangs are actually quite Socially Conservative. They are usually Anti-Women and have a 'traditionalist' viewpoint that people on the Far Right also have that can be quite Fascist. Most Gangs teach that the gang is more important than a gang member's life. So, it is no wonder that GLBT people can be the victim of Gangs.
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 06:53 PM
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1. The society as a whole has an anti-gay bias...
even liberals, even DU members, sad to say. How many times have you noticed accusations of being gay or being a repressed homosexual added as an INTENSIFIER to someone already despised? If that isn't homophobia, I don't know what is. "Oh, Hitler was gay, everyone knows that." "All these strutting, arrogant right-wing Repukes are just repressed homosexuals." "Bush is gay." "Roberts is gay." No matter how loathsome anyone is, you can always make them WORSE by intimating gayness. If you haven't noticed, watch for it. Quite eye-opening, really. It's as if one said, "Well, they may run about in white shirts and ties and pretend to be Mormons, but we all know they're nothing but Catholics." The prejudice and contempt come shining through for anyone who bothers to look.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:02 PM
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3. you mentioned DU's favorite hobby
using intensifiers{thanks for the word, and even gay people do it} .

but i don't want to take away from your point about the whole culture being homophobic.
it is -- and like racism -- it's bone deep and very subtle at times.
seriously well meaning people can act against the best interests of gay folk.
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:08 PM
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4. You're right, even gay people do it...
I try awfully hard not to, knowing how it makes me cringe to hear or read it.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:21 PM
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6. i'm more forgiving when not in mixed company.
and i can be quite tasteless when in gay only company.


i'm more sensitive here -- and tend to hold people's feet to the fire.

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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:36 PM
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8. And what is really sad about that is...
...I have sat here stunned as I watched several gay people agree to what is being said in those kinds of threads.

They are homophobic. They are insulting. And you have gay people in them agreeing to everything being said. It truly is unbelievable.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 06:55 PM
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2. I like to look at behavior from the perspective of the Biological
systems involved. This necessarily leads us to some hypotheses about Stimulus and Response networks, how they are created and reinforced, beginning with biology, but proceeding into social relationships. What do these people need? And how does homophobia meet those needs (at least temporarily)? Are two useful questions.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:08 PM
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5. The first one (Misogyny)
Edited on Sat Nov-19-05 07:09 PM by ck4829
The Libido can be a very powerful thing in animals. Being rejected because a woman is attracted to other women might not register in some men's brains.

They don't understand, and the most primitive way to deal with something a person does not understand is to destroy it.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 08:46 PM
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11. That is the most likely response, statistically, when you are thinking
Edited on Sat Nov-19-05 09:10 PM by patrice
of ALL of Humanity, and that isn't very practical, so we usually talk about more defined subsets.

Libido is a Human Psychological characteristic driven by Biological urges of all kinds. Animals don't have Libidos strictly speaking. They have the Biological urges, but they are more simple. And They have Psychology, but I don't think it is complicated enough to include Libido.

Mysogyny and the type of Homophobia that focuses on Lesbians are not the same thing, necessarily. I suppose they are sometimes, but not always.

I think "men" like Lesbians, sexually. (I'm Sorry to say!!I feel some contempt for a lot of what passes for "men" these days. I don't respect those who fear me. American men seem Afraid of sooooooo much.) I like Homosexual Males okay, because they are interesting, but I'm not into people fads (I don't collect friends like designer clothes, for any of their social capital-characteristics), and I do not like Homosexual men sexually.

I must still be thinking about what I think about Lesbians, or I would have said something about that by now.

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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:22 PM
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7. well i love gay people. almost all of my friends are gay and i
did a post about alito the other day after seeing a picture. i said "he looks gay to me -- not that there's anything wrong with that". i was joking and what i said is a line from seinfeld.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:42 PM
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9. The trouble is...
...the first trigger in a post like that is "not that there is anything wrong with that." That line is so insulting to most queers. We have spoken up about it many times only to be flamed and told not to be so sensitive.

And the second is, a persons life is not a joke. Yet many here make fun of people being gay, with gay people watching. They really have no idea how hurt we do become. And using a line from Seinfeld doesn't make it ok.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:51 PM
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10. i'm sorry that you took offense -- none of my gay friends take
offense at that remark. but i apologize.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 08:51 PM
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12. You might want to read the whole essay...
snips->

Collective Hatred and Rage

Collective hatred, like collective "love," can achieve much higher levels of intensity than that of individuals, but the spiral is much more hidden and complex. To understand this process, it may be necessary to forego everyday, vernacular explanations. I propose that hatred is the commonly used word for hidden shame/rage sequences, humiliated fury. The elemental source of hatred may be the shame of not belonging, forming groups that reject the group(s) supposedly rejecting them. The culture of such groups generates techniques of neutralization that encourage hatred and mayhem. At the level of individuals, there is rage generated by threatened or damaged bonds. There are also social and cultural spirals that give rise to collective hatred and rage.

...At the group level, it may be that alienation and certain cultural beliefs militate toward states of hatred and rage, and violent behavior.

As already indicated, rage seems to be a composite affect, a sequence of two elemental emotions, shame and anger. This idea has been advanced by other authors, notably Heinz Kohut (1971), and Helen Lewis (1971). Kohut proposed that violent anger of the kind he called "narcissistic rage" was a shame/anger compound. Lewis suggested that shame and anger have a deep affinity, and that one can find indications of unacknowledged shame occurring just prior to any episode of intense hostility.

..When anger has its source in feelings of rejection or inadequacy, and when the latter feelings are not acknowledged, a continuous spiral of shame/anger may result, which may be experienced as hatred and rage. Rather than expressing and discharging one's shame through laughter ("Silly me" or "Silly us."), it is masked by rage and aggression. One can be angry one is ashamed, and ashamed that one is angry, and so on, working up to a loop of unlimited duration and intensity. This loop may be the emotional basis of lengthy episodes or even life-long hatred that seems intense beyond endurance.... Killing or maiming other humans would be intensely painful if the automatic shame response were still in play.

...Another essay (Scheff 1997, Ch. 3) described how bimodal alienation generates violence at the collective level. Bimodal alienation between groups occurs when there is "isolation" between them, but "engulfment" within them. On the one hand, members of group A are distant from members of group B, and vice versa. But on the other, members of each group are infatuated with each other, to the point that they give up important parts of themselves, in order to be completely loyal to the group. A very wealthy and influential person in my local community said to me: "I am a patriot. When my country wants something, I give it, no questions asked." I said, "Suppose you have doubts?" He said, "Not possible. My country comes first." Idealizing the nation means suppressing one’s thoughts and feelings.

http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/faculty/scheff/36.html

others:

http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/faculty/scheff/

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 08:51 PM
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13. Insecurity in one's own sexuality is a big one.
That and the macho belief that gay men are "acting like women" and thus betraying the male sex.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 08:53 PM
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14. It's really sad
:(
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