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[spancks]

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[Ignacio Upton]

1. What?

[spuddonna]

2. What bill are you talking about? n/t

[Stand and Fight]

3. What the hell are you talking about?!?

They haven't voted on anything yet except whether or not to have the vote on the resolution.

Now calm down and state what you're so fired up about.

[Ignacio Upton]

4. Is she ordering Democrats to vote yes or no?

Why doesn't she just order them to vote present?

[LSparkle]

6. She may be in caucus doing just that now ... while they're in recess

Wait and see ...

[spancks]

5. HERE

SFGate

(11-18) 15:04 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) --


House Republicans maneuvered for swift rejection Friday of any notion of immediately pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq, sparking a nasty, sometimes personal debate over the war and a Democratic lawmaker's own call for withdrawal.


Furious Democrats accused the GOP of orchestrating a political stunt, leaving little time for debate and changing the meaning of a withdrawal resolution offered by Democratic Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania.


For those reasons, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi sent word to the rank-and-file to vote — with the Republicans — against immediate withdrawal of American troops.

(snip)

[LSK]

7. there has been no final vote yet

I claim BS on this story. We will see.

[helderheid]

8. Did Murtha offer a resolution? It's my understanding only Hunter has

and it's a total joke.

[misternormal]

9. Against it in this watered down form, yes...

This is NOT the Murtha resolution...

[jayctravis]

10. For real? Who died and made her minority whip?

[pinto]

22. Read the article again. She's advocating Dem counter to the Hunter "Sense

of the House" BS. Hunter's move is basically a trap to have a nonbinding vote, counted and attributed, to be played out in '06 campaign ads - Democrats vote for "cut and run"...I do disagree with my Rep. Pelosi, though. I think the Dem's ought to vote present and leave the nays to the Repub's on their own motion. That may be more telling, and politically effective on this one. This is not about troop withdrawal or anywhere near a discussion about an exit plan - it's Repub grandstanding and an attempt to hijack a headline.

[movonne]

And where is the link for this???

[spancks]

12. The link is at the beginning of the post

it says SF Gate

[KoKo]

11. She did that because it was a CRAP VOTE pushed by Repugs to hurt Dems

and that's why they voted it down! Get a grip...there's stuff behind the scenes here going on.

No Way Most Dems would vote to "Pull Out Now" without a plan. Murtha wasn't proposting that and Kerry wasn't either...nor Hillary or the rest!

[Lex]

13. Exactly. The Dems shouldn't fall for this Repuke trick.

[fearnobush]

14. Doubtful - According to Randy: Pull out 203 yea, 211 nay.

6 repubs voted with the Dems.

[Ignacio Upton]

16. That was a procedural vote

The real one hasn't come up yet.

[longship]

19. Randi doesn't know what she's talking about.

That vote was a procedural vote relating to the upcoming vote.

[fearnobush]

23. Sorry, I may have missed that part as I missed the first part of the talk.

But Randi does know what she's talking about, the error is my own.

[Elidor]

15. Let's wait and see what she has to say

Before getting all worked up

[RoyGBiv]

17. See, this is the problem ...

We're quick to go off half-cocked, yelling and screaming about our spineless Dem leaders without bothering to take a look at what is really happening. I mean for privy's sake it seems like a lot of people think the vote already took place when in fact all that has taken place is a vote on a rule to end debate and put the resolution up for a vote.

As others have noted, the resolution being offered today is a deliberately poorly worded *Republican* stunt with no teeth, a vote on the "sense" of the House about an immediate exit from Iraq, that *replaces* the actual plan offered by Rep. Murtha. In other words, it is intended to bury that plan and more importantly stifle debate on any plan at all.

There's a heaping pile of parliamentary maneuvering going on here. We'd do well to pay attention to it before freaking out.

[faithnotgreed]

18. thank you roy - well said

[spancks]

21. Yeah you're right,

sorry for freaking out.

I feel better now.:blush:

[Mr_Spock]

20. Apparently you missed the debate about the "fake" measure...