So....the Dem's win in 08......

[canadianbeaver]

So do you think it's possible that if the Dem's win in 06 and 08 that these bad boys may try to LIHOP/MIHOP attack on the US to say "see if you had kept the repubs in power this wouldn't of happened?....

I see this as a possible thing to happen...do U?.....

[Vincardog]

1. IT will not happen with competent people in charge. They may pull off

another OKC but not another 9/11.

[bryant69]

2. Not really

But then I dont' buy MIHOP as an explanation for 9/11 and I find LIHOP shakey, so I may not be your target audience.

Bryant
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[Vincardog]

4. Will you buy Wanted It To Happen? read the PNAC web page.

I am just saying.

[bryant69]

6. I'm well aware of the PNAC Page

I've read it several times. I think it's crucial for understanding the White House's reaction to 9/11.

[Vincardog]

7. SO? Would you buy They Wanted It To Happen?

Overlooking weather Steel buildings ever collapsed from fire ever. Overlooking the gross incompetence. Overlooking all of that, Would you allow as how they WANTED IT TO HAPPEN?

[bryant69]

10. You seem really worked up over this

But there's a difference between capitalizing on a moment and wanting that moment to happen.

And I have no way of knowing. Maybe Cheney and Bush did sit around rubbing their hands and saying "Soon some act of massive terorism will allow us to invade Iraq!" Maybe they didn't.

[HamdenRice]

11. Even if you are not LIHOP/MIHOP, surely you know it goes way beyond...

rubbing their hands together "hoping." I often wonder how much MIHOP/LIHOP know about the documented stuff.

In other words, there is overwhelming evidence that friendly intelligence services -- Israel, Russia, Germany and at least one unnamed intelligence service (which is either Israel or Saudi Arabia) -- basically told the administration what was going to happen. Bush had his PDB in August as well, and did nothing.

Abel Danger simply builds on this and shows that it was not just friendly foreign intelligence services but elements of our own that knew.

Even if you are not LIHOP or MIHOP, surely you would at least agree that they knew an attack was coming and did nothing.

That said, given the environment even they are not stupid enough to try to pull something like that again.

[bryant69]

14. Yeah but the question is did they do that out of incompetence

or out of a deliberate attempt to invade Iraq?

[Vincardog]

12. And you said you read the PNAC web page. Did you see the part

where a 'New Pearl Harbor" might be necessary to get the US population behind their plans to attack and occupy the Middle East?

You may say I seem a little worked up about this but I say you seem inordinately dense in resisting all the evidence.

Maybe they didn't BS They actively planned for it.

[bryant69]

13. If they planned it, why didn't they make the perps Iraqi?

Their goal, clearly stated, was to invade Iraq? By making the perpetrators Al-Qaeda they had to go to invade Afghanistan first and they weren't able toget much world support for their inavsion of Iraq.

By all of the evidence you mean, this one piece of evidence?

[Vincardog]

15. The perps were SAUDI what has the to do with Invading IRAQ?

[bryant69]

16. PNAC is most direct about who they want to invade.

They wanted to invade Iraq.

If they wanted to invade Iraq - why use Saudis? If they were faking evidence anyway; why not fake the evidence to look like Iraq did it?

Bryant

[Vincardog]

17. What fake evidence? You said it the PNAC Wanted to invade Iraq

They said so before the coup in 2000. They wanted to spend American lives and treasure on establishing permanent bases in Iraq. They thought It might be necessary for a "New Pearl Harbor" like attack to convince the American public to go along with their imperial plans.
They had plenty of notice that something was afoot 9/11 and decided not only to do nothing but to schedule "War Games" simulating a Hijack of American Airlines on the day that it happened. SAudi nationals educated in the Madrases Saint Ronald RayGun asked the Saudis to fund in order to recruit radical Islamics to attack the Russians in Afghanistan hijacked the planes and flew them into the W TC. A mysterious "plane" crashed into the Pentagon and left a 16 foot hole and no wreckage. Fore some mysterious reason never to happen before or since the WTC collapsed into it's own footprint because of "Fire". WTC building no 7 that was hit by nothing mysteriously burnt and also collapsed without explanation. And you are not even willing to admit that they Wanted It To Happen?

Not to mention Osama Bin Laden was and is a CIA asset.

What fake evidence do you see there?

[bryant69]

18. You really do need to calm down

Let me ask something of you, since you are obviously a believer in MIHOP - do you think it's possible to believe that the Bush Administration has proven itself to be a bunch of bastards who do bad things and shouldn't be President and that they are not guilty of purposefully killing more than 3,000 Americans.

Or basically, do you believe my failure to buy into your theory proves that I'm more or less on Bush's side?

But as for your comments allow me to ask my question more clearly.

President Bush and his advisors want to invade Iraq. They believe they can win in Iraq easily, and that Iraq can serve as a beacon of Democracy throughout the Middle east as well as a an ally of Israel.

So they then plan an attack on America in order to create a stage on which they can then invade Iraq. Why did they chose to make the hi-jackers saudis based out of Afghanistan? Wouldn't it have made more sense, if you are going stage an attack on America, to have the perpetrators actually from the country you want to invade?

Bryant

[Vincardog]

20. You go to terror with the terrorists you have, The planes flying into the

WTC did not kill over 3000 people. The bastards blowing up the building did, Let me ks you a question "Why does the nationality of the hijackers blind you to everything else?"

You still refuse to answer the question
"Will you admit They Wanted It to Happen?"

[bryant69]

21. In your opinon

No I will not admit they wanted it to happen, because the simple fact is I don't know. I will admit they were ready to capitalize on it when it did happen.

Let me repeat that, since the previous times I've answered this question seem to have made no impression.


No I will not admit they wanted it to happen, because the simple fact is I don't know. I will admit they were ready to capitalize on it when it did happen.

Just to be sure, maybe I'd better do it again.


No I will not admit they wanted it to happen, because the simple fact is I don't know. I will admit they were ready to capitalize on it when it did happen.

Did that clear it up for you?

MIHOP should apply for non-profit status.

[Vincardog]

22. That just proves the old saying Ignorance can be cured **** is forever

[bryant69]

23. I'm cool with being a heretic

I don't want to offend the holy truth of the sainted MIHOP, but if that is the way things are, well, that is the way things are.

I wonder what those for ****'s mean?

[Vincardog]

24. That is the great thing about what this country used to be you can be as

dense as you want to be.

[bryant69]

25. Yep. And of course there are other things one can be.

Like a fanatic.

Not that I would ever accuse anybody on Demcoratic Underground of that.

Bryant
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[rman]

19. They managed to convince enough people that Saddam = Al-Qaeda

That's good enough.

Al-Quada is a more plausible purpatrator because it's a know terrorist organisation. It's only because of 9-11 that * managed to convince people that "you can't distinguish between Saddam and Al-Qaeda in the war on terror".

[canadianbeaver]

5. thats ok....all thoughts are welcome.......eom

[DavidBowman]

I doubt it

Mass murder is bad for business.

[tk2kewl]

3. dems will not be deliberately ignoring the intelligence

if they try, they'll get caught

[garybeck]

8. the Dems will NOT win in 06 or 08

unless Diebold is taken out of the picture.

we need to get HR550 passed.

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. SO true.