even if the 'fight them over there' lie were true, how are we any safer?

[mopaul]

bush is STILL using the idiotic catch phrase that all his brain dead supporters ape, 'we're fightin' em' over thar, so's we ain't got to fight em' over hyeer'. first this assumes that ALL the world's terrorists are going to iraq to fight us, then it assumes that this makes the u.s. safer. how exactly? what's to stop a handful of terrorists from attacking us?

i guess things don't have to make sense anymore.

[shaniqua6392]

1. Yes. And thanks to Bush's War

we have created terrorists out of Iraqi civilians who are now willing to go blow themselves up in Syrian hotels. All we did was turn Iraq into a breeding ground for more terrorists. The media today is saying that all four bombers last week were Iraqi. Doesn't it dawn on anyone that we now have Iraqis so angered they are willing to die in order to show Jordan that they should not be allied with the U.S. in this cause?

[chknltl]

6. I wonder if this is a deliberate tactic which profits:

The arms industry... I'll bet we spend a bundle on guns and ammo every month, maintenance on vehicles and etc.. Who profits? The manufacturers.

On a more insidious scale we have folks still shooting back at us lending a twisted credibility to the reason for staying over there, we are "fighting terrorists and insurgents". Who profits? Those who need us to stay. So who profits by our staying? Halliburton and its subsidiaries are making phenomenal profits off of our staying.

There is a damned good chance that Iraq is being raped for it's oil by us too. Whichever company got the no bid contract to supervise the Iraqi oil disbursement is likely seeing the greatest profits. They are stealing as much as they want with no accountability.

I feel that bushco has invaded this country for one reason only: "Profit" The longer we stay the course the more they profit. So in this logic they need the insurgents and terrorists to keep shooting at us so we can have an excuse to stay.

Senator Jim McDermott (Dem Wa.), put it this way just prior to us going into Iraq this time; "Make no mistake about it, this war is NOT about WMD. This war is about regime change and oil control. How right he was then.

We are not there to help Iraq, we are only there to help ourselves to Iraqi resources. Bushco and his profiteers do not give a rats butt about the Iraqi people, they don't even care about their own people: No profit in that so why waste the money.

[H2O Man]

2. It's absolutely true.

The lunatics on the left wing overlook the fact that the villagers in My Lai were planning an assault on an American city. Calley understood that it is better to fight them when they are 3 than when they are 30. Perhaps if this country had taken the same stance with the savage Indians a century ago, we could have avoided their fascist attack on the Little Big Horn, which was targeted because of their hatred for the National Anthem being played in school.

[ComerPerro]

11. Good points! This is HUGH!!!11!!!1!!

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[ingac70]

4. Keep Saudis out of the US.....

That will prevent 99.999% of terrorism on US soil.

[dmkinsey]

5. Really?

Let's remind ourselves that there were no terrorists in Iraq until the US military destroyed the government and border security of that country which had no capability to attack the US and also had no connection to terrorist attacks on this country.

I'm sure you swallow the administration story that anyone fighting the US military in Iraq is a terorist.
A more reasoned interpretation is that those people who fight the US in Iraq are people who want the US out of Iraq. If we weren't THERE they would have no motivation to fight us.

There is absolutely no logic behind the premise that having our military in Iraq prevents the movers and shakers of the terrorist universe from staging an event in this country.
It sure didn't protect the Brits.

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[mopaul]

10. I guess those 2,070 dead g.i.'s were loved to death

and i guess they were spreading a lot of love around too. even nazis can make rationalizations and lame excuses.

[peacebird]

8. wow - so many words from such a small closed mind.... stunning.

as is your whole premise.

Iraqi's were absolutely NO THREAT to the United States under Saddam. And Saddam's ability to harm us was pretty non-existant as well. Al Qaeda got a foothold in Iraq after we decided as part of our "shock & Awe" that we would disband the army and government - thus leaving a huge swath of people UNEMPLOYED and unable to feed their families. Halliburton outsources their work in Iraq to non-Iraqi's.
We killed countless numbers of innocent civilians. We arrested and tortured thousands indiscriminately.
Next - our soldiers were woefully unprepared to deal with Muslim people and didn't know even the BASICS of Muslim customs... SO we disgraced men in front of thier families, and shamed women -

We ave created a cesspool of despair in the cradle of civilization. All Muslims are not terrorists any more than all fundamentalist Christians are morons.

Funbert - why aren't you over there "fighting the good fight"? Seems to me that those who believe in the cause ought to be over there supporting it?

[ComerPerro]

12. So why don't you get your ass over there so you can be the bait?

[dmkinsey]

14. I knew that one wouldn't be here long

nt

[ComerPerro]

9. That opens up three important questions

Which is, quite frankly, why I always suprised that that stupid ass talking point is repeated so often and always goes unchallenged.


If we are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here:

Does that mean that Bush is using our soldiers as bait, to lure terrorists to attack them? Are our soldiers being used by the upper class as literal human shields?

Was there a plan they uncovered to send thousands and thousands of terrorists over here, to invade us and engage us in urban combat? Sounds more like a paranoid FReeper fantasy.

and, finally

If we are indeed fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here, then why aren't more College Republicans and Bush supporters in the age group signing up to protect America? If they won't do what's right and protect America by fighting them over there, how can I be sure that these cowards would even fight them over here if it came down to that?

[greekspeak]

13. We are less safe

I have heard the mantra of up is down black is white since day one. But it is. More dangerous is safer. Georgie Porgie has created terrorist havens and their recruitment is up. I really wonder if he is trying to get them to attack us for his own political gain.

[seabeyond]

15. 'fight them over there' ... morally wrong. non christian

i do not have to go any further than that, with this comment

it is offensive, sick and unchristian