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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:44 PM
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Know your BFEE: The China-Bush Axis
One of the more interesting aspects of the Bush Family Evil Empire is its chumminess with totalitarian regimes. Chief among these are their understandings with the government of China.



These relationships can be broken down into three main areas:

1. Economic Terror: Where did our jobs go?
2. Political Terror: Tiananmen Square and business as usual.
3. National Security Terror: Friends share secrets: nuclear bombs and magnets.



Within days of the Tiananmen Massacre of non-violent pro-democracy protesters, then-president George HW Bush sent his emissary Brent Scowcroft to clink a champagne toast with the Chinese leadership just to show theres no hard feelings between totalitarians.

Heres what Sen. Ted Kennedy said about Poppy Doc's pro-China tilt:



ANNIVERSARY OF THE TIANANMEN CRACKDOWN (Senate - June 04, 1991)



Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. President, I want to commend our majority leader for, really, an excellent statement and a principled stand. This has been his position since the time of that terrible tragedy in Tiananmen Square some 2 years ago. I think this morning in the Senate he has, as on other occasions on our national television, I think, made the strongest possible case for insisting that any most-favored-nation provisions would be conditioned upon important progress in addressing these needs.

I just ask the majority leader if he is familiar with the statement of the Prime Minister, Premier Lee Pung, who only at the time of the anniversary, just recently, insisted that the military crackdown had been an appropriate response to the peaceful student protest, and the Chinese Government would do it again if they were faced with a similar demonstration? I think he has made the case so well in covering a wide variety of areas. But the attitude of the current Chinese Government regime would certainly appear they would be prepared to do it again today if he is not troubled by that attitude as well.

Mr. President, as has been pointed out, 2 years ago today the Government of the People's Republic of China initiated a brutal crackdown on the courageous prodemocracy students demonstrating in Tiananmen Square. By the end of the week, hundreds of peaceful demonstrators had been ruthlessly slaughtered and thousands more had been detained by government authorities.

Now, President Bush has formally announced his intention to renew most-favored-nation trading status with China. His decision, he claims, is the right thing to do with respect to China.
Unfortunately, the facts indicate otherwise. Since the Tiananmen Square massacre, the Chinese Government has intensified its repression of prodemocracy forces.

As this year's anniversary of the Tiananmen massacre approached, the Premier of China, Lee Pung, commented upon that great tragedy. He harshly insisted that the military crackdown had been an appropriate response to the peaceful student protest and that the Chinese Government would do it again if similar demonstrations were attempted in the future.

Today, Tiananmen Square is lined with armed guards to repress even the smallest demonstration of sympathy for the memory of those who died there 2 years ago.

To renew China's MFN status in the face of this brutality would make a mockery of the lives lost at Tiananmen Square and undermine whatever forces of democracy are still struggling for a new China.
President Bush's policy toward China makes no sense. Immediately following the Tiananmen crackdown, he promised to suspend all political-level exchanges with China. Yet within a month, he dispatched National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft to Beijing--a trip that was kept secret from the Congress and the American people and was only acknowledged after it was reported by the press in December.

CONTINUED

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r102:S04JN1-33:



Gee. That was 1991. A lots happened since then, right?

Like, Wonder why all the jobs are being sent overseas?

So does former Reagan Assistant Commerce Secretary Paul Craig Robers:



What America Exports: Paper, Waste and Jobs

Still No Jobs


By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
November 8, 2005

EXCERPT

Powerful lobbies that benefit from low cost foreign labor have invested heavily in public relations campaigns to create the impression that American jobs have to be outsourced and foreign workers brought into the US because there are shortages of US engineers, scientists, nurses and school teachers. It is amazing that the occupations in which shortages are alleged to exist are the very occupations in which qualified Americans cannot find jobs.

Many economists mistakenly claim that offshore outsourcing and work visas for foreigners benefit Americans by lowering costs. But no country benefits from the loss of high productivity, high value-added occupations. The US runs trade deficits in manufactured goods and advanced technology products. Last year the US trade deficit in advanced technology products was $36,857,000,000. As of August of this year, the US trade deficit in advanced technology products is running 26% higher than in 2004.

America's volume exports are paper, waste paper, agricultural products and chemicals.

The October 28 issue of Manufacturing & Technology News reports that Procter & Gamble, General Electric, Ford, Kimberly Clark, Caterpillar, Goodyear, General Motors, USG, Honeywell, Alcoa and Kodak combined exported 269,600 containers of goods in 2004. Wal-Mart alone imported 576,000 containers of goods.

The US allegedly is a superpower with a highly developed economy.

China is a newly developing country not far from third world status.

You might think that China would be running huge trade deficits with the US as China imports the goods and services necessary to continue its economic development and to serve consumer wants. The trade statistics, however, tell a different story. Last year the US imported $196,682,000,000 in goods and services from China and exported a mere $34,744,100,000 to China. The American "superpower's" trade deficit with China came to $161,938,000,000. To put this figure in perspective, America's trade deficit with China is 28% higher than American's total oil import bill.

CONTINUED

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts11082005.html



Guess who sat as the longtime head of the U.S. China Chamber of Commerce?

If you guessed Prescott Bush II youd be correct. Unfortunately, youd be in the minority of Americans who knew nothing about the that point of history or next-to-nothing of the China-Bush Axix. Of course, they probably dont know about Neils dealings and so forth.



The Bush family: Middle Kingdom rainmakers

By Zach Coleman

HONG KONG - George Herbert Walker Bush arrived in Beijing 30 years ago as the official United States representative to China with one goal above all else: expanding his buddy list.

"My hyper-adrenaline, political instincts tell me that the fun of this job is going to be to try to make more contacts," he wrote in his first diary entry. "And it is my hope that I will be able to meet the next generation of China's leaders - whomever they may be. Yet everyone tells me that that is impossible."

Bush Sr, already a champion networker, wasn't to be denied. In a final triumph at the end of his stay, Deng Xiaoping, then vice premier, threw a farewell lunch for Bush Sr and his wife.

"You are our old friends," said Deng, according to a Chinese government website. "You are welcome to come back anytime in the future."

Bush Sr and his relatives have turned that open invitation into a family franchise over the years, setting themselves up as gatekeepers between lucrative business opportunities created by the opening up of China's economy and the US corporate and political establishment. If Iraq is the place where the Bush men fight once they leave the oil fields of Texas, China is where they have made money.

CONTINUED (GOOGLE cache may soon be gone)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FE21Ad01.html



Of course, theres more to the Bush-China Axis than just business. Theres the old family line of treason. Guess who was the former CIA chief serving as Vice President when China got hold of Americas nuclear secrets? If you answer George Herbert Walker Bush, youd be correct. (Extra credit for those who guess who Bush appointed to make certain Democrats got the blame.)



Libby & Nuclear Secrets to China

By Robert Parry
November 4, 2005


Indicted ex-White House aide Lewis Libby played a key role in an earlier case of slanting U.S. intelligence for political gain four years before the Iraq War when he was legal adviser to a House investigation into how communist China got U.S. nuclear secrets.

In 1999, Libby, a China expert, served on a special Republican-controlled House committee that laid the blame for the compromise of U.S. secrets almost exclusively on Democrats, despite evidence that the worst rupture of nuclear secrets actually occurred during the Reagan-Bush administration in the mid-1980s.

The committees findings served as an important backdrop for Election 2000 when George W. Bushs backers juxtaposed images of Democrat Al Gore attending a political event at a Buddhist temple with references to the so-called Chinagate scandal.

The American public was led to believe that $30,000 in illegal soft-money donations from Chinese operatives to Democrats in 1996 were somehow linked to Chinas access to U.S. nuclear secrets. Millions of Americans may have been influenced to vote against Gore and for Bush because they wanted to rid the U.S. government of people who had failed to protect national security secrets.

But the reality was that the principal exposure of U.S. nuclear secrets to China appears to have occurred when Beijing obtained U.S. blueprints for the W-88 miniaturized hydrogen bomb, a Chinese intelligence coup in the mid-1980s on the watch of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

CONTINUED

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/110305.html



Gee. Theres more to it than this. Please add. Please discuss. The futures of our nation and world are at stake.



Imagine what we can do working together?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:45 PM
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1. Powerful.
Thank you for this.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 11:55 PM
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35. U.S. Workers Charge: 'Treason!'
Just when I think these greedy turds can't sink any lower...



US Workers Charge Treason

Outsourcing US Missile Technology to China


By JEFFREY ST. CLAIR

Magnequench is an Indianapolis-based company. It specializes in the obscure field of sintered magnetics. Essentially, it makes tiny, high-tech magnets from rare-earth minerals ground down into a fine powder. The magnets are highly prized by electronics and aviation companies. But Magnequench's biggest client has been the Pentagon.

The neodymium-iron-boron magnets made by Magnequench are a crucial component in the guidance system of cruise missiles and the Joint Direct Attack Munition or JDAM bomb, which is made by Boeing and had a starring role in the spring bombing of Baghdad. Indeed, Magnequench enjoys a near monopoly on this market niche, supplying 85 percent of the rare-earth magnets that are used in the servo motors of these guided missiles and bombs.

But the Pentagon may soon be sending its orders for these parts to China, instead of Indiana. On September 15, Magnequench shuttered its last plant in Indiana, fired its 450 workers and began shipping its machine tools to a new plant in China. "We're handing over to the Chinese both our defense technology and our jobs in the midst of a deep recession," says Rep. Peter Visclosky, a Democrat from northern Indiana.

It gets stranger. Magnequench is not only moving its defense plants to China, it's actually owned by Chinese companies with close ties to the Chinese government.

SNIP...

"Archie Cox and his company are committing a criminal act," says Mike O'Brien, an organizer with the UAW in Indiana. "He's a traitor to his country."

http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair10252003.html

CONTINUED...



Gee. These workers who lost their national security jobs to China seem to have hit the BFEE trifecta.

BTW: Thanks, H2O Man! And you're welcome.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:42 AM
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45. I have always
found Jeffersonian thought more attractive than Hamiltonian, but one thing that strikes me as extremely important -- and in essence it is exactly what you are saying here -- is Hamilton's opinion that, "Not only wealth, but the independence and security of a country, appear to be materially connected with the prosperity of manufactures. Every nation ... ought to endeavor to possess within itself all the essentials of a national supply. These compromise the means of subsistence, habitation, clothing and defense." His use of the word "compromise" is, of course, different than we use it today. In fact, by allowing the manufactoring base to be shipped overseas, the BFEE has compromised our security and independence as a nation. The examples of the damage it has done can be found in the amount of debt our country is in; the inability to provide the soldiers in Iraq with adequate protective gear on their vehicles; and the number of people employed in the industries that once made this country great.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:10 AM
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37. Really.
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 12:10 AM by AuntiBush
Speechless. I was one of the mislead sheeple. Yet, when put into perspective, it now all makes perfect sense.

The only part about the "truth hurting" is when one realizes they've been lied to by those they trusted, for decades.

Now realizing just how long the media-whores have played such a deep, intricate part backing these treasonous liars, dating back to Reagan/Bush1. That sums up most of my adult life!

Shew. Just shew.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:46 PM
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2. Good work. Recommended. Schwarzennegger
is off on a junket there of his own, with rich businessmen in tow, of course.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:05 AM
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36. Isn't it an odd coincidence? Do their schedules overlap in any way?
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 12:05 AM by catzies
Each of those fatheads, with their massive entourages, the accomodations alone must be ridiculous..
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:18 AM
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41. Like Smirko: Ratings down, leave town, with bagmen.
It's just like pre-Air Force One days for Smirko -- Go with someone who you owe to pick up the tab:



Report: Corporations being asked to help fund Schwarzenegger's China trade trip

ASSOCIATED PRESS
3:16 a.m. October 24, 2005

LOS ANGELES Corporations are being asked to donate tens of thousands of dollars to fund Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's upcoming trade mission to China and some will be along when he talks to officials there, it was reported Monday.

The governor, who came to office on a promise to take state government away from special interests, is raising money to pay for the trip through a nonprofit foundation that is not required to publicly reveal the names of donors, the Los Angeles Times said.

Some companies have been asked to give $50,000 to the California Protocol Foundation, the Times said, citing people associated with the firms.

SNIP...

The protocol foundation has hired public relations firms to help. One, Apco Worldwide, employs two former members of Schwarzenegger's staff in its Sacramento office and both are going on the trip.

Another firm, Manning Selvage & Lee, has a West Coast affiliate that is co-owned by the governor's chief fund-raiser, Martin Wilson.

CONTINUED...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20051024-0316-ca-schwarzenegger-china.html



I'm doo-ink goot dehr in China fr Kal-lee-forn-ya.



BTW: Our pals in Cali might want to ask Arnie about Lou Ferrigno and the sleeping arrangements in the uncut version of "Pumping Iron."

Most important: Thanks for the kind words and the K&R, Ojai Person.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:48 PM
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3. It didn't need to be so lengthy, but this is probably the best post ever.
Nominated.

:yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:59 AM
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42. Thanks, HypnoToad! What Voltaire said...
... in a letter to Blaise Pascal:

"I am sorry for the length of my letter, but I had not the time to write a short one."

This is short and sweet: Cheney's looking for a piece of the China action.



Notes from the Pentagon

August 19, 2005

Cheney's China hand

Vice President Dick Cheney is considering replacing his current China specialist, Stephen Yates, with National Defense University Asia specialist James J. Przystup, who is opposed by conservatives.

Mr. Yates is regarded as one of the Bush administration's most solid conservatives who favors tough policies on China's human rights abuses and its military buildup.

Word is Mr. Yates, who is fluent in Chinese, plans to leave the White House and may get a post at the Pentagon.

Mr. Przystup, who has discussed the appointment with Mr. Cheney's chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby, is viewed by administration conservatives as more conciliatory toward China than Mr. Yates, and his appointment would be part of backdoor efforts by pro-China officials to soften the administration's policy toward Beijing.

Mr. Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld are seen as key officials who are skeptical of China and view Beijing's military buildup with concern.

CONTINUED...

http://www.gertzfile.com/gertzfile/ring081905.html



That sums up things at the undisclosed location. Rattle a saber and make some money, too.

Most important: I appreciate what you wrote. Thank you.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:50 PM
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4. Mao Zedong and George H.W. Bush's cousin worked together

China and the Opium Wars
"The Order of Skull and Bones"
Everything You Ever Wanted to Know, But Were Afraid to Ask.
By Kris Millegan

(...) For a while, in the 1800s, the Yankee Clippers in Connecticut and Massachusetts were the fastest ships on the ocean. Speed was crucial to the opium trade; whoever made the trip from Turkey/India to Macao/ Hong Kong/Shanghai first got the most for their goods.

(...) Powerful national interests were behind the drug trade, because American traders were badly in need of some article the Chinese would buy, since by this time the seal breeding grounds had been nearly wiped out. If the Chinese had not bought opium from Americans, then United States imports of silk, porcelain and tea would have to paid in precious coin, which was in short supply. In 1843, when the Port of Shanghai was opened, Russell and Co. was one of its earliest traders.

In 1903, Yale Divinity School set up a program of schools and hospitals in China. Mao Zedong was among the staff. During the intrigues of China in the 1930s and '40s, American intelligence called upon the resources of "Yale in China", and George Bush's cousin and fellow "Bonesman" Reuben Holden.

After stints as UN Ambassador and Chairman of the Republican National Committee for the beleaguered Richard Nixon, George Bush was sent to look after the "China trade". The Bush family is still very much involved in the economic activities of "Red" China.

Many researchers contend that George Bush has been with CIA since the early 1950s, and that one of his jobs was to consolidate and co-ordinate the worldwide narcotics industry, the largest industry on Earth. Some say that one of the reasons behind the Vietnam "Police Action" was a cover for the consolidation of the "Golden Triangle".

http://www.crystalinks.com/skullbones.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 11:32 AM
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46. Small world...
...and very, very bad.



These Skull & Bones connections are getting under my fur.



Skull & Bones - The Bush's China Connection

by Unknown
(Posted here by Wes Penre, Sep 15, 2005)

The January 26, 1990 issue of THE NEW FEDERALIST revealed even more about the Bush - one world connection. In his article, BUSH'S CHINA POLICY: SKULL AND BONES, Joseph Brewda writes: "Jan 19 (EIRNS)--An obscure secret society known as "Skull and Bones" may have more to do with George Bush's obsessive support of Beijing's mass murderers than one may think.

SNIP...

"MAO WAS A YALIE - Back in 1903, Yale Divinity School established a number of schools and hospitals throughout China that were collectively known as 'Yale in China.' It has since been shown that 'Yale in China' was an intelligence network whose purpose was to destroy the republican movement of Sun Yat-sen on behalf of the Anglo-American Establishment. The Anglo-American "Establishment" hated Sun, because he wanted to develop China. On the other hand, they loved the Chinese communists because they intended to keep China backward, and were committed to growing dope. One of 'Yale in China's' most important students was Mao Zedong.

"During World War II, 'Yale in China' was a primary instrument used by the U.S. Establishment and its Office of Strategic Services (OSS) to install the Maoists into power. 'Yale in China' was run by OSS operative Reuben Holden, the husband of Bush's cousin, and also a member of Skull and Bones.

"The Maoists made China into the world's largest opium producer. "'Yale in China' was also closely associated with the New York-based Union Theological Seminary, which has been a center for U.S. subversion of Asia (literal wolves in sheep's clothing - Branton). Every prominent radical leader operating in Korea today, for example, was trained at Union Theological. Union Theological was dominated for twenty years by Henry Sloane Coffin, a U.S. intelligence executive from the Sloane and Coffin families. He was a Skull and Bones member as were a dozen of his relatives.

"Nor should it be forgotten that Averell Harriman, the former Ambassador to Moscow who did so much to build up the Soviet Union, was a member of Skull and Bones. Harriman was also a business partner of Prescott Bush, Sr., the father of Maoist enthusiast George Bush."

CONTINUED...

http://www.illuminati-news.com/S&B-China.htm



Great info, there, DrDebug! Almost all of it news to me. Thank you very much!
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 01:36 PM
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52. All the dictators seem to have had some sort of relation
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 01:36 PM by DrDebug
I am still wondering about a direct connection between the Bush family and Stalin, because it would be strange if they never tried to make contact.

The sad part is that most don't know that Mao is the person who was responsible for the most deaths in the 20th century...

Even though the amounts depend on the definition, but Mao is in the lead of the 3 most evil men.

Mao 40-70,000,000 dead
Stalin 10-50,000,000 dead
Hitler 11-26,000,000 dead

What did some say about Mao? He was irresistible and magnetic. What did some say about Stalin? Nobody could argue with him during Malta, because he was the natural leader and highly charismatic. What did some say about Hitler? It's funny how many Germans described him as magnetic. What do some say about Bush? And I'm not talking about the Democrats because they can't stand him, but I have heard the same terms. The devil's charm...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:01 PM
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53. Harriman was Stalin's Benefactor.
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 02:06 PM by Octafish
As how many business relationships start, a letter of introduction:



October 8, 1941



MY DEAR MR. STALIN:

"This note will be presented to you by my friend Averill Harriman, whom I have asked to be head of our delegation to Moscow.

"Mr. Harriman is well aware of the strategic importance of your front and will, I know, do everything that he can to bring the negotiations in Moscow to a successful conclusion.

"Harry Hopkins has told me in great detail of his encouraging and satisfactory visits with you. I can't tell you how thrilled all of us are because of the gallant defense of the Soviet armies.

"I am confident that ways will be found to provide the material and supplies necessary to fight Hitler on all fronts, including your own.

"I want particularly to take this occasion to express my great confidence that your armies will ultimately prevail over Hitler and to assure you of our great determination to be of every possible material assistance.

"Yours very sincerely,

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT"

SOURCE:

http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/1941/411008a.html



Gosh. FDR called a stooge of the BFEE "my friend." Glad he misspelled Averell's name -- must not've been that close. OTOH, all the "Trading with the Enemy" stuff that came up later, FDR should've tossed the guy's arse in the pen.

Today we see the same division of labor in the partnership of Abramoff and Norquist. Dirty Jack specializes in handling Jewish accounts and Drowning Grover specializes in handling Muslim petrodollar accounts.

Play both sides of the street -- the Bush version of hitting the trifecta.
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:54 PM
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5.  kick & rec...
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 01:55 PM by northamericancitizen
"Imagine what we can do together?"

Thank you for the last sentence. It brought back some hope.

lise
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:07 PM
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47. Thanks, northamericancitizen! 2005 trade imbalance is $146 Billion...
... and that's just through September.

Here's the grim reality of where our money and jobs are going:



Trade with China : 2005

NOTE: All figures are in millions of U.S. dollars.

Month Exports Imports Balance


January 2005 2,609.2 17,863.7 -15,254.5
February 2005 3,082.4 16,953.6 -13,871.2
March 2005 3,305.4 16,209.5 -12,904.2
April 2005 3,405.1 18,119.7 -14,714.6
May 2005 3,296.1 19,050.3 -15,754.2
June 2005 3,394.2 20,988.0 -17,593.8
July 2005 3,631.2 21,282.5 -17,651.4
August 2005 3,896.6 22,364.9 -18,468.3
September 2005 3,201.3 23,306.7 -20,105.4

TOTAL 29,821.4 176,139.0 -146,317.6

* 'TOTAL' may not add due to rounding.
* Table reflects only those months for which there was trade.
* CONTACT: Data Dissemination Branch, U.S. Census Bureau, (301) 763-2311
* SOURCE: U.S. Census Bureau, Foreign Trade Division, Data Dissemination Branch, Washignton, D.C. 20233

SOURCE w/Details...

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2005



Gee. That's a lot of yuen.

From his "works" it's clear Bush knows where the bank is.



From his policies, one would think he got a piece of the action.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:58 PM
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6. too long of a post? that guy hasn't experienced the Octafish infobomb,
apparently

once again (several times a week?) you've put some great information in one place, lending coherence to the miasma of information which comprises the BFEE Octopus.

I've been neglecting Parry's site lately, and missed that link. thanks for headsup

he was on a radio show--KDKA--last week, and was awe inspiring

once again, a hugh kudos for your digging

also.....that picture of the lonely protester vs. the tanks. what can you say about that image? remember in the vid, how he stepped from one side to the other, as the lead tank tried to drive around him?

they never figured out who that guy was, did they, or if he got killed?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:29 PM
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48. Thanks, Gabi Hayes! HypnoToad is good people. Unlike someone we all know.
A Tale of Two Georges:

"As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality."

-- George Washington


"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - just so long I'm the dictator."

-- George W Bush


The difference could not be clearer.


Regarding the good man who stopped the column of tanks:



Tiananmen 'tank man' still at large

The unknown protester brought an entire line of tanks to a halt Watch BBC correspondent Henry Tang's reportThe lone Chinese protester who brought a column of tanks to a standstill in Tiananmen Square during the 1989 crackdown was never arrested and is still at large, a Hong Kong-based dissident group has said.

Seven hundred people were killed in the Tiananmen Square crackdown Chinese students who supported the pro-democracy movement captured the attention of the world's media with their seven-week occupation of Tiananmen Square in June nine years ago.

SNIP...

The Information Centre for Human Rights and Democracy Movement in China says it has obtained official documents that show the Chinese government does not know what happened to him.

SNIP...

In response to an inquiry, President Jiang Zemin is said to have blamed journalists for giving authorities the wrong name. The Chinese government gave up looking for the man after checking lists of the dead and imprisoned.

SNIP...

Dubbing him "the Unknown Rebel," the American news journal said his moment of fame was seen by more people than laid eyes on Winston Churchill, Albert Einstein and James Joyce combined.

CONTINUED...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/75679.stm



Somehow I'm led to believe TIME's rulers would like to see "The Unknown Rebel" identified, arrested and imprisoned.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:59 PM
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7. kick and recommended
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:36 PM
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49. Thanks, Don Swamp Rat! True image of justice, scalito-style there!
Regarding Sino-BFEE relations, we all may end up working as ditch diggers:



SINO DAILY

Outside View: Bush And The China Challenge


China has accomplished a good deal of its economic miracle through exports, in particular to the U.S. market, by maintaining an undervalued currency. This creates an annual subsidy on exports of about $250 billion or 12 percent of China's GDP. In addition, through its banking system, provincial governments, tariffs, and regulations China provides all manner of subsidies and protection that have fostered rapid growth in industries, from automobiles to steel, where China has little comparative advantage and should be a large importer.

by Peter Morici
Oustside View Commentator
College Park, Md. (UPI) Oct 03, 2005

Monday, the Wall Street Journal reported that Chinese efforts to leverage its economic clout into broader diplomatic influence are upsetting the Bush administration.

In a nutshell, China has signed or is negotiating trade agreements with many countries in Asia, the South Pacific and a few elsewhere, escalating the risk that its brand of state managed capitalism will gain greater influence and acceptance among our allies and become permanently entrenched in China and elsewhere.

In many ways, President Bush and his advisors have no one to blame but themselves. The administration has a naive view of commercial diplomacy, which Beijing has been all but to happy to exploit. The administration has failed to see current controversies over exchange rates, intellectual property and the like as part of a broader competition between the emerging Chinese model of authoritarian capitalism and our brand of market capitalism that empowers the individual rather than the state.

China has accomplished a good deal of its economic miracle through exports, in particular to the U.S. market, by maintaining an undervalued currency. This creates an annual subsidy on exports of about $250 billion or 12 percent of China's GDP. In addition, through its banking system, provincial governments, tariffs, and regulations China provides all manner of subsidies and protection that have fostered rapid growth in industries, from automobiles to steel, where China has little comparative advantage and should be a large importer.

Yet, the Bush administration has failed to label China a currency manipulator or embrace proposals for direct action with teeth. It does not apply U.S. WTO compliant subsidy and countervailing duty laws to imports from China or other centrally planned economies, and it seems intent on abandoning these valuable laws in the Doha Round of WTO negotiations.

SNIP...

The hard fact for China's apologists to accept is that about half of the U.S. trade deficit is manufactured in Beijing, and the hard reality for the Congress and White House to admit is about half of the U.S. trade deficit is made in America on Pennsylvania Avenue. In the end, we must address the world as we find it, not as we wish it would be.

CONTINUED...

http://www.sinodaily.com/news/china-05zzzzzzzy.html



Oops! My bad: Meant to write: "grave diggers." Almost forgot about the war for a second...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 03:15 PM
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54. Scalito...
kick

:D

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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 02:02 PM
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8. Love being reminded of how these evil forces work...
thx.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:53 PM
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50. Thanks, femrap. A picture is worth a thousand words...
Poppy Bushusuru clinks a toast with former Chinese premier Deng Xiaping.



Deng's the guy who gave the go-ahead for the massacre at Tienanmen.

Then there's the smirking idiot, Baby Doc crazy monkey:



There's lots more to turn even the strongest stomach at:

http://www.chinatoday.com.cn/English/e20025/book.htm

BFEE. Running America since 22 November 1963.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 02:03 PM
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9. I love the way you educate us here at DU Octafish...but the truth as it
applies to the BFEE is always galling and painful. Decades of lies and facades...I don't know how, when or if the U.S. will ever wake up to these painful realities.

:kick: and Recommended, as if my usual standard when it comes to your posts!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 01:05 PM
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51. Hi, WiseButAngrySara! Here's some relief...
...temporary relief...



Then there's an image of Poppy Doc's dim son, Baby Doc Boosh:



"Gee. On Star Trek the guy's in the blue shirts give the orders."

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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 08:46 PM
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63. Plop Plop Fizz Fizz Oh What a Relief it is.. Thanks. I needed that! n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 02:22 PM
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10. Why are so many US officials treating with the ENEMY? Is treason legal?
Everybody, please nominate this thread!

Kick :kick:
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cire4 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 03:25 PM
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16. Just curious....what makes China the enemy?
While I find the Bush-China ties disturbing, casting entire states as "enemies" that should not be traded with (like Cuba) seems to be just a little too cold-warish for my tastes....
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 03:43 PM
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18. Uh. Communist China. Red China. We don't like it when they spy on us OR
when one of our planes lands in their country, just like one had in 2001 as I recall, maybe 2002...

And what are we trading anyway? Our jobs so that they won't demand the money they loaned to us back?
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cire4 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 03:58 PM
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22. China hasn't been red in 25 years.....
Communism pretty much died with Mao. Their mastery of capitalism would make Donald Trump envious

Quite frankly, I think the United States should trade more with China. Greater economic co-dependency will seriously reduce the likelhiood of another cold war or, even worse, an armed conflict between the two superpowers. In addition, more foreign trade is forcing the country to modernize and Westernize (to a degree) and eventually, democratize. It will be a slow process, but putting up walls around China certainly will not help it out.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:38 PM
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59. US-Sino Saber Rattling
No matter what the stock market says, these authoritarian turdballs are dictators all and see their populations as mere cannon-fodder. To wit:



Goading China

Of Madmen and Nukes


By DARYL G. KIMBALL
Counterpunch
November 4, 2005

Chinese Major General Zhu Chenghu told journalists last July that China is prepared to use nuclear weapons against the United States if it targets Chinese ships, aircraft, or territory in a confrontation over Taiwan. "We Chinese will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundredsof cities will be destroyed by the Chinese," he warned.

With Zhu's suicidal nuclear threats as backdrop, U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld told his military counterparts in Beijing last month that "advances in China's strategic strike capacity raise questions" about its intentions. Rumsfeld suggested that "greater clarity would generate more certainty in the region."

Excellent points, Mr. Secretary. But China, of course, is not the only state to amass nuclear weapons to defend and advance its interests. Although other Chinese officials disavowed Zhu's remarks, he is not the first to suggest, officially or unofficially, that his government is "mad" enough to use massive nuclear force against conventional attacks.

Since the beginning of the nuclear age, U.S. presidents have developed policies and issued statements intended to make nuclear threats appear credible and create uncertainty about when and where they might be used. As unnerving as China's estimated arsenal of 100-400 nuclear weapons and Zhu's remarks may be, Beijing's official no-first-use policy arguably makes its posture more restrained than that of the United States today.

SNIP...

The Pentagon's March 2005 draft "Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations" also outlines a wide range of options to deal with non-nuclear scenarios. It would allow for the possible first use of nuclear weapons to help support U.S. forces or allies against conventional attacks, such as a conflict with China over Taiwan, as well as other scenarios, including pre-emptive nuclear strikes on suspected chemical or biological weapons targets in non-nuclear-weapon states.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/kimball11042005.html



PS: Thanks for the kind words and ringing endorsement, HypoToad! Thanks also for giving a damn.

BTW: Is that Dr. Who in your sig?
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callady Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 02:32 PM
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11. Bush's Labor Nominee 'Family Friend' of Jiang Zemin
Elaine Chao's ties
to Chinese leader
Expert: Bush's Labor nominee
'family friend' of Jiang Zemin



By Jon Dougherty
2001WorldNetDaily.com

President-elect George W. Bush's choice to head the Labor Department, Elaine Chao, and her father have extensive personal ties to communist China's President Jiang Zemin -- contact described as "regular" and "deep," WorldNetDaily has learned.

According to an Asian affairs expert who spoke on condition of anonymity, Chao -- whom Bush selected to head the Labor Department after his first choice, Linda Chavez, withdrew from consideration over charges she harbored an illegal alien in 1992 -- allegedly characterized as "racist" the findings of a May 1999 report on Chinese espionage, released by a select committee chaired by Rep. Christopher Cox, R-Calif.

The Sino expert told WND the relationship with Jiang stems from Ms. Chao's father, James S. C. Chao, who attended college with the Chinese president before fleeing for Taiwan in 1949, in advance of the communist government takeover of the mainland.

"They have continued a sort of university friendship ever since," the expert said.

Chao's father resides in New York City and, years ago, founded a ship brokerage and agency business, Foremost Maritime Corp. -- a lucrative shipping firm that ships goods from the U.S. to China and much of Asia.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21327

China Mole in the Bush Cabinet?
By Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid | February 22, 2001


Linda Chavez withdrew her nomination as labor secretary when it was disclosed that she had not been forthcoming about an illegal alien living in her home and doing chores. But the nomination of Elaine Chao, who replaced her, went through the Senate by unanimous voice vote, even though serious questions were raised about her connections to the Chinagate scandal and an alleged Chinese spy. Coverage of this scandal by the Washington Times, which is usually aggressive in covering China, was equally curious. It ran one story about one minor aspect of the controversy back on page five.

Now we know why. As we were watching coverage of the 57th annual "Salute to Congress" Congressional dinner on C-SPAN, we noticed some interesting people sitting at the table sponsored by the Washington Times. One was Secretary of state Colin Powell. Another was House Majority Whip Tom DeLay. But two others were Elaine Chao and her husband, Senator Mitch McConnell.

The Washington Times itself confirmed the story, noting that Chao and McConnell even received a champagne toast from Times editor in chief Wesley Pruden in honor of their eighth wedding anniversary. This helps explain why the Times went easy on Chao as other media outlets, most notably WorldNetDaily.com, were uncovering her controversial China connections.

To recap, John Huang, the fundraiser who was convicted of making illegal contributions to the Clinton campaign, has testified in a deposition for Judicial Watch about 4 different contacts with Elaine Chao. He said Chao asked him to make contributions to the campaign of Republican Senator Al D'Amato in New York. He said that he rounded up members of the Asian-American community to welcome her when she visited Los Angeles. These contributions were reimbursed by the Lippo group, a company considered a front for China. But Chao claims not to remember meeting Huang, and she wasn't asked about it during her Senate confirmation hearings.

http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/A1062_0_2_0_C/
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 05:46 PM
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56. Elaine Chao tied to ChiCom Leadership?
That explains why low and mid-level salaried types like me are being worked to death. We're making the Corporation, er, State stronger.

Regarding the Jiang and Lippo and Greenberg angles -- Wow!



China's Man in America

by William F. Jasper
October 8, 2001

Financial mogul Maurice Greenberg presides over a vast and expanding insurance empire. Meanwhile, he consorts with and lobbies for the barbaric Communist regime in Beijing.

Maurice R. "Hank" Greenberg leads a charmed and busy life. As chairman and CEO of one of the worlds largest insurance and financial conglomerates, American International Group (AIG), Greenberg sits atop a very profitable and powerful empire. He dines with presidents and potentates and sups with the likes of Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, global "wise man" Henry Kissinger, and chairman-of-the-world emeritus David Rockefeller. The New York-based magnate appears equally at home with the commissars of Communism, counting Chinas premier, Zhu Rongji, and president, Jiang Zemin, as longtime friends.

Business has been very good for AIG. Greenbergs "Letter To Shareholders" in AIGs Annual Report 2000 noted:

AIG started the new Millennium on a positive note. Net income rose 11.5 percent to a record $5.64 billion, while earnings per share totaled $2.41, an increase of 12.1 percent over 1999.... et income gained 14.8 percent to $5.74 billion, or $2.45 per share. In addition, Revenues gained 13.1 percent to $45.97 billion; Assets rose 14.3 percent to $306.58 billion; Shareholders equity reached $39.62 billion at year-end, compared to $33.3 billion at year-end 1999; and Return on equity was 15.6 percent.

Behemoths the size of AIG have voracious appetites and deep pockets. So, over the past few years, Greenberg has led the company on a worldwide acquisition binge. Some of the firms devoured by AIG include the Los Angeles-based financial services company SunAmerica, Inc. ($18 billion), the Hartford-based HSB Group ($1.2 billion), Egypts Pharaonic Insurance Company ($18 million), the financial units of Koreas Hyundai Group ($860 million), the Canada-based Norwich Union Holdings, Ltd ($159 million), and the Chiyoda Mutual Life Insurance Company of Japan ($522 million). Most recently, Greenberg received accolades from Wall Street and the investment community for his August 29, 2001 acquisition of American General Corporation (for $23 billion).

Powerbroker

SNIP...

Greenberg is chairman of The Asia Society, the Starr Foundation, and the Nixon Center, as well as the founding chairman of the U.S.-Philippines Business Committee and past chairman of the U.S.-China Business Council. He is vice-chairman of both the U.S.-ASEAN Council on Business and Technology and the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and has long been a major force in The Business Roundtable and the Presidents Advisory Committee for Trade Policy and Negotiations. He is also a member of the Board of Directors of the New York Stock Exchange, a member of the Trilateral Commission, a director of the United Nations Association, and the past chairman, deputy chairman, and director of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. President Clinton appointed him to the Advisory Committee of the Presidents Commission on Critical Infrastructure Protection.

COMMTINUED...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2001/10-08-2001/vo17no21_china.htm



Thanks for the excellent info, callady! With all the hours I've been working and the countless Bush scandals I've tried following, I had failed to follow this scut-hearted scourge from the Department of Labor. Thank you.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 02:41 PM
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12. disturbing as usual
to be reminded of yet another unholy connection of the BFEE.
nominated
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:44 PM
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60. Treason Inc, a Division of the BFEE
From the Moonie Times, via the World Peace Herald:



Four arrests linked to Chinese spy ring

By Bill Gertz
The Washington Times
Published November 5, 2005

WASHINGTON -- Four persons arrested in Los Angeles are part of a Chinese intelligence-gathering ring, federal investigators said, and the suspects caused serious compromises for 15 years to major U.S. weapons systems, including submarines and warships.

SNIP...

The Los Angeles spy ring has operated since 1990 and has funneled technology and military secrets to China in the form of documents and computer disks, officials close to the case said.

The ring was led by Chi Mak and his wife, Rebecca Laiwah Chiu, along with Mr. Chi's brother, Tai Wang Mak, and his wife, Fuk Heung Li, officials said.

Key compromises uncovered so far include sensitive data on Aegis battle management systems that are the core of U.S. Navy destroyers and cruisers.

China covertly obtained the Aegis technology and earlier this year deployed its first Aegis warship, code-named Magic Shield, intelligence officials have said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20051105-064108-8275r



Gee. I don't remember hearing about Magic Shield on ABCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutwork.com. I'm sure they'd have coverred it, if only they could.

PS: Thanks for giving a damn, G_j!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 02:48 PM
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13. Rise of WalMart began with Bush's 70s era deal with Chinese industrialists
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 02:49 PM by blm
Bush and his cronies never gave a SHIT about communism or democracy, they're goal is FASCISM.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 03:45 PM
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19. Bingo. And they learned from the best. Oh, it's not real communism either.
it ain't communism when secret police take people from homes for ungodly periods of time or say you can't believe in X, Y, or Z.

Those countries were fascist but given the label of 'communism' and 'socialism' to make the idea of sharing wrong.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:54 PM
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61. The turds at the top will rule. The rest will have to make doo-doo.
Their plan is to penure the middle class of the United States through loss of jobs, the collapse of the nation's manufacturing base and the bankrupting of the U.S. Treasury. Then we all will live (those they haven't eliminated) like the 99-percent of the people in Haiti who fight over the 1-percent of the wealth at their disposal. This is these NeoFascists' New Feudalism.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:33 AM
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64. Wal-Mart's 'China Price'
This Greenwald's hit the nail on the head. Any relation of yours, blm?



Wal-Mart's 'China Price'

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted November 7, 2005.

Robert Greenwald's documentary shines a light on who pays for Wal-Mart's cheap products from China: the workers who make them.

Wal-Mart is responsible for approximately 10 percent of the United States' trade deficit with China.

The problems with the company's overseas production are the result of sweeping changes in public policies brought about by the Conservative Revolution and by disastrous, industry-written global trade and finance rules supported by a bipartisan consensus for the past three decades (Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton, whose husband championed "free trade" deals like NAFTA, sat on the Board of Wal-Mart between 1985-1992).

It was the system in which Wal-Mart's practices have flourished that were on my mind when I sat down with Robert Greenwald ("Outfoxed," "Uncovered"), director of "Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price," in his Culver City offices earlier this month. (A note of disclosure: Greenwald is on the Board of Directors of IMI, AlterNet's parent organization.)

CONTINUED...

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/27829/



The Bushes really think they've found something wonderful in penuring America. They hope to create the Haitian model for the New Feudalism. Of course, they'll slouch on top of the heap of human remains with their fellow maggots.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 03:00 PM
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14. Prescott Bush Jr's ties to China
From USA Today 02/18/2002....

<snip>
Prescott Bush, now 79, also developed a close working relationship with Rong Yiren, a former trade minister and vice president, who in 1993 introduced Bush to a group of Chinese business leaders as "an old friend." In 2000, Forbes publications reported that Rong, who has retired from government, was the richest man in China.

The president's uncle concedes that he sometimes relied on his name to open doors, but he says any deals he made were the result of his own hard work.

"You can get a meeting because of it, you can meet a lot of people because of it," he said in a recent interview in Chicago, where the U.S.-China Chamber of Commerce has its headquarters. "But I don't get a lot of business because my nephew is president or my brother was president."

Some experts argue otherwise. A name is not just helpful, it's essential, says Nick Larty, a professor of international relations at George Washington University in Washington, D.C.: "Who you get access to in China is pretty much a function of how important you are."

Along with access, the family name has also brought scrutiny to Prescott Bush's deals:

* He was criticized in 1989 for visiting China to meet with business and government leaders just three months after the Tiananmen Square massacre, in which army troops fired at pro-democracy demonstrators.
* His Shanghai partnership with the Japanese firm Aoki in 1988 proved embarrassing when revelations surfaced that Aoki at the same time was allegedly trying to get business contracts by bribing Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega, whom the first President Bush later ousted from power.
* His connections to an American firm, Asset Management, came into question in 1989, when the company was the only U.S. firm able to skirt U.S. sanctions and import communications satellites into China.
* When Asset Management went bankrupt later that year, Bush's deal to arrange a buyout through West Tsusho, a Japanese investment firm, raised eyebrows. Newspapers reported that Japanese police were investigating West Tsusho's alleged ties to organized crime.

Bush declines to discuss those controversies. "That's old news. It's in the past," he says.

Last year, he opened the U.S.-China Chamber of Commerce offices in Chicago. The membership roster includes United Airlines, American Express, McDonald's, Ford and Arthur Andersen, the beleaguered company that audited Enron's books.

<snip>

Believe it or not, this article hasn't been scrubbed by the Bush Criminal Empire thought police yet.

Read more at: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002/02/19/usat-prescott-bush.htm
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 03:49 PM
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20. Good find. The American people would crap their pants if they knew how
deep the Bushes were involved in pushing their fascist goals on the world.
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Hapameli Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 04:21 PM
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23. "Doro" Bush... first person publicly baptized in China in 1975 (timing!)
Dorothy Bush Koch also known as "Doro" (born August 18, 1959), is the daughter of the 41st President of the United States George H. W. Bush and former First Lady Barbara Bush and the youngest sibling of George W. Bush, the 43rd President of the United States. Her other three surviving siblings are Jeb Bush, Neil Bush, and Marvin Bush.

Since the time of her childhood, Dorothy has spent most summers and holidays at the Bush Compound, a sprawling estate in Kennebunkport, Maine.

In 1975, during a visit to Beijing, (it is said) Dorothy became the first person publicly baptized in China since its government began discouraging foreign religious practices in 1949.

Dorothy attended Miss Porter's School and earned a B.A. from Boston College in 1982. She has two children by her first husband, William LeBlond, and two children by her second husband, Robert P. Koch, whom she married in June 1992 at Camp David. Koch was a former aide to House Democratic leader Richard Gephardt.

She lives with her family in Bethesda, Maryland and works organizing events and raising money for charities and other non-profit organizations. She has also served as a Pioneer fundraiser for her brother's presidential campaigns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Bush
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:41 PM
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65. Prescott's made BIG buck off China trade.
Great article, that, AntiCoup2K4.

"You can get a meeting because of it, you can meet a lot of people because of it," (Prescott Bush) said in a recent interview in Chicago, where the U.S.-China Chamber of Commerce has its headquarters. "But I don't get a lot of business because my nephew is president or my brother was president."

One doesn't have to be in the Yakuza to get what's between the lines.



Yakuza Doodle Dandies

Asian Vampire Bats in the American Belfry


Sightings from The Catbird Seat

EXCERPT...

There is another yakuza incident that hits closer to home. West Tsusho, a Tokyo-based real estate firm, bought two American companies with help from none other than Prescott Bush, Jr. - President Bushs elder brother....

West Tsusho is an arm of a company run by the Inagawa-kais leader, Ishii Susumu. . . . Tsusho purchased Quantum Access, a Houston-based software firm, and Asset Management International Financing & Settlement, a New York City-based company. . . .

With the anti-yakuza countermeasure act in place, the future for the yakuza seems bleak, at least in Japan.

The North American expansion could do very well, as they channel nearly $10 billion into legitimate investments not only in the US, but in Europe as well.

SOURCE ...

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/YAKUZA.htm



Money laundering is a BFEE specialty. Prescott's brother Jonathan J. Bush did many great things working with Riggs Bank an honest Justice Department would prosecute.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 03:08 PM
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15. Octafish, you Rock! Thanks for the BFEE info. n.t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:45 PM
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66. Thanks, texpatriot2004! Didya hear about Neil's Chinese semiconductors?
Funny, Neil's good at ripping off S&Ls. Didn't know the Financial brain had much experience in the Tech field.



Presidents (sic) Brother Has $2m Contract In China

By Warren Vieth and Lianne Hart
LOS ANGELES TIMES
November 28, 2003

Neil Bush, a younger brother of President George W. Bush, has a $400,000-a-year contract to provide business advice to a Chinese computer chip manufacturer, according to court documents.

At the same time the Bush administration is promising to crack down on alleged trade abuses by the Chinese, Neil Bush has agreed to strategize with China's Grace Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp., the documents show.

While there is no indication he has done anything improper, Bush's arrangement could attract attention during a presidential election cycle in which Chinese business practices have become a political issue.

"There's certainly the appearance of influence being sought," said Charles W. McMillion, a Washington business consultant who advised a congressional commission on U.S.-China policy. "If nothing else, it doesn't look good."

The younger Bush's relationship with Grace Semiconductor, first reported in the Houston Chronicle, is detailed in a two-page contract filed as part of divorce proceedings between Neil and Sharon Bush. The divorce became final in April....

SOURCE:

http://www.thememoryhole.org/pol/neil-bush-contract.htm



Just curious: How's business been for Texas Instruments lately?
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 03:29 PM
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17. Kick
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 03:50 PM
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21. And another
:kick:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:58 PM
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67. Gracias, bonito y Karenina! Remember Cheney's lobbying FOR China nukes.
Gee, from a former Republican Assistant Secretary of Commerce, no less:



Iran No; China Yes

Why is Cheney Lobbying for a Boost in China's Nuclear Capability?


By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
Counterpunch
August 11, 2005

What I have noticed about conservatives and Republicans is that they are no longer conservative and Republican. They believe in the efficacy of force. If we are losing in Iraq, it is because we are not using enough force. All we have to do to win in Iraq, they maintain, is to nuke the towel heads. In case you have forgotten, Rich Lowry, editor of National Review, suggested that the US nuke Mecca in retaliation for a terrorist attack.

SNIP...

Conservatives and Republicans think this is a good idea. Vice President Cheney has lobbied in behalf of the sale. It is good for private business. It means $2.4 billion in revenues for Westinghouse Electric Company.

Iran will never again be a world power, even if it has a few nukes. Persia was a power in ancient times, not today. If we don't bother Iran, Iran won't bother us.

China is a different matter. China already is a world power. China holds enough US government debt to have the dollar and US interest rates in its hand. Last month in an official briefing a top Chinese general, Zhu Chenghu, said that if the US messes around with China or tries to interfere with China's reunification with Taiwan, China will nuke the US: "If the Americans are determined to interfere, then we will be determined to respond. We Chinese will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all the cities east of Xian. Of course, the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese."

SNIP...

Why does Cheney want to sell nuclear reactors to China, but order the US Strategic Command to prepare to nuke Iran's nuclear power capability, a capability that would allow Iran to sell more oil to an energy-starved world?

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08112005.html



Gee. The BFEE really does want to kill a lot of people -- more than the ones they already have, I mean.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 04:38 PM
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24. Question
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 09:18 AM by Skinner
Octafish, did Bush I aid the impeachment process of Nixon perhaps because he had other plans with respect to China?

http://www.atimes.com/china/DD24Ad02.html


<snip>

While US domestic politics is beginning to raise populist opposition to corporatism and its questionable commitment to US national interest, China seems to be moving toward corporatism as the banner carrier of its national interest. Corporations care only about shareholder interest (and recent exposure known as Enronitis shows that some corporations care only about management interests at the expense of shareholders and employees) and seldom about national interests.

<snip>

Nixon was convinced that after the Cultural Revolution (1966-76), China was no longer an ideological threat to US values and that the need to isolate China as an enticing model from international forums would be overshadowed by its opportunity as a huge, needed market for Western capitalism.

<snip>

Nixon pledged to "actively work toward" and complete "full normalization" of US-PRC diplomatic relations by 1976.

<snip>

Despite Nixon's secret promise in 1972 to Zhou Enlai of full normalization by 1976, Nixon's resignation in 1973 left the Taiwan issue unresolved. It led to a cooling of US-China relations with the brief reemergence of Deng Xiaoping as interlocutor during Zhou's terminal illness.

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT

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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 09:43 PM
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32. AntiFascist please read
In the future please limit your snips to 4 paragraphs
as per The Democratic Underground copyright rules .

proud patriot Moderator
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:25 PM
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34. Yes, sir
:spank:
:patriot salute:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 02:15 PM
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70. Agree 100 percent. Nixon had detente with Soviets, China.
That was bad for BFEE business.

Two more examples from recent history:

President Kennedy said "No!" to the War Party. No World War III over Bay of Pigs or the Cuban Missiles, fired the Joint Chiefs Chairman who suggested "Operation NORTHWOODS." His fate was sealed when he said we were getting out of Vietnam.

For the GOP set: Look what happened to Pruneface Reagan. After he agrees to dump all the nukes with Gorby at Reykjavik, Eugene Hasenfuss's plane is shot out of the Nicaraguan sky two weeks later and it's almost Resignation City with George Bush waiting in the wings.

Regarding Nixon and Bush:



George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography

by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin

Chapter -XII- Chairman George in Watergate

EXCERPT...

Bush had clearly distanced himself from the fate of the Nixon White House. By the time Spiro Agnew resigned as vice president on October 10, 1973, Bush was in a position to praise Agnew for his "great personal courage" while endorsing the resignation as "in the best interest of the country."

Later the same month came Nixon's Saturday night massacre, the firing of Special Prosecutor Cox and the resignation of Attorney General Elliot Richardson and his deputy, William Ruckelshaus. To placate public opinion, Nixon agreed to obey a court order compelling him to hand over his White House tapes. Bush had said that Nixon was suffering from a "confidence crisis" about the tapes, but now commented that what Nixon had done "will have a soothing effect. Clearly it will help politically...Hopefully, his move will cool the emotions and permit the President to deal with matters of enormous domestic and international concern." Later, in November, Bush bowed out of a possible candidacy in the 1974 Texas gubernatorial race. Speculation was that "the specter of Watergate" would have been used against him, but Bush preferred sanctimonious explanations. "Very candidly," he said, being governor of Texas has enormous appeal to me, but our political system is under fire and I have an overriding sense of responsibility that compels me to remain in my present job." Bush said that Watergate was "really almost...nonexistent" as in issue in the Texas race. "Corruption and clean government didn't show up very high at all," he concluded.

By the spring of 1974, the impending doom of the Nixon regime was the cue for Bush's characteristic reedy whining. In May of 1974, after a meeting of the Republican Congressional leadership with Nixon, Bush told his friend Congressman Barber Conable that he was considering resigning from the RNC. Conable did not urge him to stay on. A few days later, John Rhodes, who had replaced Gerald Ford as House Minority Leader when Ford was tapped by Nixon for the vice presidency, told a meeting of House Republicans that Bush was getting ready to resign, and if he did so, it would be impossible for the White House to "get anybody of stature to take his place."

But even in the midst of the final collapse, Bush still made occasional ingratiating gestures to Nixon. Nixon pathetically recounts how Bush made him an encouraging offer in July, 1974, about a month before the end: "There were other signs of the sort that political pros might be expected to appreciate: NC Chairman George Bush called the White House to say that he would like to have me appear on a fund-raising telethon." This is what Bush was telling Nixon. But during this same period, Father John McLaughlin of the Nixon staff asked Bush for RNC lists of GOP diehards across the country for the purpose of generating support statements for Nixon. Bush refused to provide them.

On August 5, 1974, the White House released the transcript of the celebrated "smoking gun" taped conversation of June 23, 1972 in which Nixon discussed ways to frustrate the investigation of the Watergate break-ins. Chairman George was one of the leading Nixon Administration figures consulting with Al Haig in the course of the morning. When Bush heard the news, he was very upset, undoubtedly concerned about all the very negative publicity that he himself was destined to receive in the blowback of Nixon's now imminent downfall. Then after a while he calmed down somewhat. One account describes Bush as "somewhat relieved" by the news that the coup de grace tape was going to be made public, "an act probably fatal," as Haig had said. "Finally there was some one thing the national chairman could see clearly. The ambiguities in the evidence had been tearing the party apart, Bush thought." At this point Bush became the most outspoken and militant organizer of Nixon's resignation, a Cassius of the Imperial Presidency.

CONTINUED

http://www.tarpley.net/bush12.htm

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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 04:52 PM
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25. Can you please post your Know Your BFEE in the *NEW*
Reasearch Forum?

I alway look to your information when I'm connecting dots.

Thanks Octafish!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 06:31 PM
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27. Skinner needs a Know Your BFEE forum. A few posters here at DU can fill it
up within a week.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 05:23 PM
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26. China Parable.
As I originally heard it "China does not want to take your lunch, they want to make your lunch".

I would add the following line. "Eventually you will only be able to get lunch from China". Talk about "running dog capitalist" feeding the sheep.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 02:25 PM
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71. Here's a story about a guy out to lunch: Bush going to China.
From the guy behind Op-Ed News:



Is Bush China Competent?

by Rob Kall
http://www.opednews.com

China is one of our biggest trading partners and our biggest creditor. It is on track to become our biggest competitor as the most powerful nation in the world.

Richard Nixon's trip to China ended up being one the lasting hallmarks of his less than illustrious presidency.

Bush is headed there. I keep thinking about how well he's done with Katrina, Iraq, the five trillion dollar surplus he inherited. Then I think about his brilliant appointees-- Michael Brown, Harriet Maiers, all the posts he's filled with former lobbyists. And I wonder just how much damage he can and will do when he goes to China. Illustrious is a lot to hope for. IF the US survives this trip, we should be happy.

We know that Walmart does billions in business with China. I would not be surprised if several Walmart people are a part of Bush's entourage, or that they might have helped plan his trip. I wouldn't be surprised if former Walmart people were actually a part of the US diplomatic corps in China.

But China is not just about trade. We're dealing with a tough, aggressive regime that has already played rough with the US, when one of our planes had to land on their territory. Remember, we had to cart it away in small pieces.

CONTINUED...

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_rob_kall_051114_is_bush_china_compet.htm



Seven out of ten fortune cookies agree: "Bush is a moron."
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JJackFlash Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:08 PM
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28. I remember a news story years ago
just after the inauguration of the Bush Junta and before 9-11.
The Junta was agreeing not to make any noise about China increasing its nuclear arsenal, provided that the Junta could spend billions pursuing Star Wars in violation of the ABM Treaty.

Their number one priority at the time was the Star Wars boondoggle. The outgoing Clinton administration had warned them that their top priority should be anti-terrorism, but of course, anything Clinton was for they were against.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:44 PM
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29. I'm extremely naive about this, but
if we make China stronger and our country weaker, won't they eventually just try to take us over completely?
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 09:22 PM
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31. They have been buying into our national debt nt
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:02 PM
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30. Excellent
Thank you
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 09:50 PM
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33. On top of it again I see. K & R!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:11 AM
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38. Thank You, Octafish!
Sincerely... another printout to show to all I know. Sadly, "wow!"
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:15 AM
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39. O.M.G.
"The American "superpower's" trade deficit with China came to $161,938,000,000."

How do we turn the tables on the ultra-powerful THUGS?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:28 AM
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44. China OWNS the U.S.
Make no mistake about it. How's your Mandarin? ;-)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 08:45 PM
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62. Ask Greenspan who was buying all those Treasury Bonds?
Things may get a lot more interesting on the way to debtor's prison:



THE FINANCIAL PAGE

IN YUAN WE TRUST


James Surowiecki
The New Yorker Talk of the Town
Issue of 2005-04-18 Posted 2005-04-11

EXCERPT...

The dollar has fallen for a simple reason: Americans spend a lot more than they save. American consumers, of course, are known for living on credit, and they buy hundreds of billions of dollars worth a year of foreign goodscars, TVs, T-shirts, khakis. In addition, since 2001 the American government has been running giant budget deficits, thanks to the magical combination of tax cuts and spending increases. We dont have enough money at home to pay for all this spending, so we borrow from foreigners to make up the difference. Because we keep piling on this foreign debtmore than three trillion dollars so farand have no clear strategy for paying it back, people are made anxious about the United States economy; this anxiety encourages them to sell dollars, and that drives down the value of our currency.

The dollars decline, grim as it seems, has so far had little impact on the everyday lives of most Americans. To be sure, there are new burdens: the price of truffles is up sharply, and the cost of a trip to Paris now rivals that of a semester in college. But inflation and interest rates are still low, the stock market is above where it was three years ago, and Americans have had no trouble slaking their appetite for foreign-made goods. Doomsayers have been predicting for a while that the profligacy will lead to serious trouble. So why hasnt it?

One answer is that Asia wont let it. Last year, Asian countries invested almost four hundred billion dollars in the United States, mostly in government bonds. China is effectively taking most of its excess national savings and lending it to the United States. The Japanese, who despite their creaking economy remain flush with savings, bought a quarter trillion dollars of American debt last year, even though the interest is lousy and the assets themselves are losing value. More than any other nation in history, the United States depends, economically, on the kindness of strangers. Right now, Asian investors appear very kind.

Markets are hardly known for their tenderness. Usually, you can assume that everyone in a market is trying to make as much money as possible, with as little risk, but the currency market isnt like most others. In the market for the dollar, many of the players have other things on their mind. China needs to go on selling Americans hundreds of billions in exports in order to keep its economy humming. A weaker dollar makes that harder. Asian central banks also already own trillions of dollars in American assets. As the dollar falls, so does the value of those assets. There are plenty of other traders in the currency marketswho have the luxury of being single-minded regarding profitbut the Asian banks are powerful enough to be, in effect, the lenders of last resort. As long as its in their self-interest to keep America afloat, the dollar will not crash.

Of course, the Chinese and the Japanese could decide that the costs of the falling dollar are too great, and suddenly stop (or, at least, cut back sharply) their lending to the United States. This would lead to a so-called hard landing for the U.S. economy: high inflation, punitive interest rates, collapsing stock prices and housing prices. It would also lead to bedlam for China and Japan. Their best customers would effectively be unable to afford their wares. To paraphrase John Paul Getty: If you owe the bank a hundred dollars, youve got a problem. If you owe the bank three trillion dollars, the banks got a problem.

CONTINUED...

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050418ta_talk_surowiecki



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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:16 AM
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40. Here's a couple of other links:
Repugs forget that during Raygun's terms they decided that China was a good hedge against the Soviet threat. Raygun actually sold military weapons to China (LINK). I especially find it interesting that Shrub the 1st sold China an engine that could be used in cruise missiles. When they realized their mistake they asked china to send the engines back. China "accidentally" lost them in a fire.

When Shrub Inc first came into power, Phil Enron Gramm proposed a bill that would basically eliminate the restrictions on sale of all dual use items to China. (LINK)

A GAO report pointed out that the US purchased a lot of high tech military equipment from Israel. We provide them with the research and technology but the Israelites are very good with high tech military manufacturing. They also did business with China. A report on technology transfers to China ranked the USSR as the number one source and Israel as the number two source. We transfer military tech to Israel, then they sell it to China who packages it up and sells it to a wide variety of third world countries. This means that during the Gulf war, the Iraqi tank sights and other equipment were Chinese made based on Israeli manufacturer and US research.

Yep, the Bushies really know how to crack down on China. :sarcasm:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 03:04 AM
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43. kick!
:kick:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 04:37 PM
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55. I remember CNN showing a feed from Chinese news
agencies covering Tiananmen Square protests. Then the feed got cut off. The Chinese government stepped and censored for the world what was going on.

If this were to happen today with the new CNN in place, none of this would have been shown from our end to begin with. BushCo is so in bed with China that it scares me that one of these days I will turn on my TV and see some Chines official announcing that he is the new governor of the province of America.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:33 PM
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57. Is Bush* the "Manchurian Candidate?"
While all of our attention is centered on the Middle East, China quietly takes us over in an economic revolution. No wonder Bush* doesn't care about the future, he and his cronies will be living in Aruba, while we are economic slaves to China.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:44 PM
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58. Saudi Arabia will be appropriately hot. It will
help him adjust to Hell when the time comes.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:15 PM
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68. There is NO EXCUSE
for ignorance. The information is provided here in handy bi(y)te-size pieces.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 03:34 AM
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69. Kick
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