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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:53 PM
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Did Bush Just Admit That The Decision To Go To War Was Made...
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 12:54 PM by jayfish
prior to the IWR vote. I did not hear the speech but I just read that he said the following.

"when I made the decision to take out Saddam, I received strong bi-partisan support."

That directly contradicts statements made by Bush himself and other admin officials prior to the invasion.

The IWR was voted on by the Senate on October,11 2002

Bush's decision to invade Iraq - quotes


November 7, 2002
A reporter asks President Bush if he thinks a war against Iraq might be a bad idea given widespread concerns that it could “generate a tremendous amount of anger and hatred at the United States ... creating many new terrorists who would want to kill Americans.” Bush responds that the US should not avoid taking action out of fear that it might “irritate somebody would create a danger to Americans.” He also adds that no decision has been made with regard to using force against Iraq. “Hopefully, we can do this peacefully,” he says. “And if the world were to collectively come together to do so, and to put pressure on Saddam Hussein and convince him to disarm, there's a chance he may decide to do that. And war is not my first choice ... it's my last choice. But nevertheless, it is ... an option in order to make the world a more peaceful place.”
People and organizations involved: George W. Bush

December 4, 2002
During a question and answer period following President Bush's signing of the Dot Kids Implementation and Efficiency Act of 2002, the president is asked about the weapon inspectors' progress in Iraq and if he believes “the signs are not encouraging that they're doing their job.” Bush responds: “This isn't about inspectors. The issue is whether Saddam Hussein will disarm. Will he disarm in the name of peace.” He also condemns Iraq's shooting of US and British planes that have been patrolling the so-called “no-fly” zones over northern and southern Iraq (see June 2002-March 2003) and contends that these actions demonstrate that Saddam does not intend to comply with UN Resolution 1441 (see November 8, 2002). Bush also implies that no decision has been made to use military force against Iraq. “The best way for peace is for Mr. Saddam Hussein to disarm,” he insists. “It's up to him to make his decision.”
People and organizations involved: George W. Bush

December 31, 2002
At his ranch in Texas, President Bush tells a reporter who questions whether the world is safer heading into 2003: “I hope this Iraq situation will be resolved peacefully. One of my New Year's resolutions is to work to deal with these situations in a way so that they're resolved peacefully.” To another reporter's question, he similarly states: “I hope we're not headed to war in Iraq. I'm the person who gets to decide, not you. I hope this can be done peacefully.”
People and organizations involved: George W. Bush

Early January 2003
According to Bob Woodward's book, Plan of Attack, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice visits George Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas. Bush tells her: “We're not winning. Time is not on our side here. Probably going to have to, we're going to have to go to war.” When the contents of Woodward's book are reported in mid-April 2004, many people interpret Bush's statement as a decision to go to war. But Rice will deny that that was the case. “... I just want it to be understood: That was not a decision to go to war,” she will say. “The decision to go to war is in March. The president is saying in that conversation, I think the chances are that this is not going to work out any other way. We're going to have to go to war.”
People and organizations involved: Condoleezza Rice, George W. Bush


Will the media pick up on this slip?

Jay

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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:57 PM
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1. the MSM? nah it's nice and warm outside so It's not
freezing over yet.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 06:16 PM
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22. He (*) needs to hold another faux press conference so MSM can ask !
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eggman67 Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:58 PM
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2. What slip?
Today's speech didn't apply a date to the decision.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:01 PM
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3. Sorry But * Did Not Receive...
"strong bi-partisan support" when he actually invaded. He had that supposed support for the IWR and that was it. So yes it was a slip. The job for the media is to ask him questions that will allow us to zero in on the real date.

Jay
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SledDriver Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:06 PM
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4. Sounds like a good question for Helen to ask Puffy McMoonface...
David Gregory too.
Is the a WHPB today?
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:10 PM
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7. I Don't See It Scheduled, But...
there was a "Press Briefing" by Steve Hadley. Why is this guy getting so much face-time lately. it's like "the press Secretary is unavailable so here's the propaganda Czar"

Jay
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:17 PM
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10. Hadley stinks worse than Moonface...
I believe he was instrumental in the info swaps re: The Plame Affair
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:08 PM
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5. The decision to go to war was made before Chimpy was NOMINATED.
PNAC had their global agenda for fascism ready to go in 1998. They selected the empty headed monkey as their frontman in 1999.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:14 PM
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9. That's A Given.
This is the first time they have admitted it though.

Jay
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:09 PM
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6. They imply that everybody agreed to take out Saddam in 1998.
Apparently, the IWR, the debate, all the lies, completely unnecessary because everyone was on board with an invasion.

Oh, wait....that's sorta the difference. Everyone wanted Saddam out, but ONLY BUSHCO thought an invasion was a good idea. Not Clinton, not Congress, not the UN, just Bush and Co. Their plan, their war, their mistake.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:13 PM
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8. Another Problem With That Is...
that many of the statements they quote to support that position (especially ones that came from the Clinton Admin) were made prior to Operation Desert Fox. That operation is widely believed to have destroyed any remaining WMD capability Iraq possessed or was working on, post GWI.

Jay
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 04:11 PM
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11. Correction From Transcript.
I said:


"when I made the decision to take out Saddam, I received strong bi-partisan support."



Bush said:

"When I made the decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power, Congress approved it with strong bipartisan support."



Even more damning then my paraphrase, if you ask me.

Jay

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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 04:36 PM
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13. Yeah, that's pretty bad.
And I'm sure the speech was vetted.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 04:46 PM
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14. Probably By * Himself.
That would explain the idiocy.

Jay
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 04:30 PM
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12. kick
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 04:52 PM
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15. he said "take out Saddam"? Like on a date? For a tour of the fake ranch?
what kind of idiotic, macho terminology is that for the Dope-in-Chief to be using?
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 04:52 PM
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17. actually it was paraphrasing (done by me) :-)
peace.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 04:54 PM
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19. tee hee... it was so HIM- I know he's used that expression before.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 04:54 PM
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18. See Post #17 For A Correction.
Although I wouldn't put it past him. I'd almost be willing to bet on him having said it in the past.

Jay

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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 04:52 PM
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16. Yes, * tripped over his own lies today. He did not declare his
decision to invade Iraq BEFORE the IWR vote. He, in fact, stated that he had made no decision before the vote was taken.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 05:03 PM
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20. I wondered the same thing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2242469

I think Sparkly's quote from during the speech makes it even more blatant. Wasn't he perpetuating the myth that he hadn't made up his mind to invade even more strenuously recently?
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Freedomfried Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 06:08 PM
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21. "I'm the person that gets to decide..NOT YOU"
What an arrogant motherfucker.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 11:37 AM
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23. shrub knew from the day he was sworn in...........
that he was going to invade Iraq one way or another. He's been stewing about this since his daddy lost his re-election bid to Clinton. All of the neo-cons that surround "little boots" have been whispering in his ear for years. He's had this Oedipal hard-on for Saddam for a long damned time, it didn't just start after "all avenues were explored".

This lying sack of shit wouldn't know the truth if it came up and bit him in the ass.
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