Freeps That STILL Support Bushco Are Twisted Immoral Freaks. Torture.

[DistressedAmerican]

At this point is has become clear to America that trusting this administration was a disastrous mistake. Across the board, the polls show that 2/3 of the country no longer support this war. One of the major factors leading to that disapproval is the ever present issue of torture.

Anyone that continues to support Bushco endorses their perverse torture policies by extension. America has clear laws against torture. Well, we did before Bushco began to twist and pervert them beyond recognition. Torture is explicitly listed as a war crime in international law. There is NO LEGAL basis for the ongoing torture of military detainees. It is roundly rejected at the international level because it represents a universally rejected and immoral practice. It is reprehensible and has been openly condemned as such.

90 Senators agree. The recent overwhelming passage of the funding bill with restrictions on torture is clear evidence of that. Torture has been rejected on a bi-partisan basis by all but the most extreme and morally indefensible.

News that the White House in the person of Dick Cheney is actively lobbying for a CIA exemption on these rules shows with crystal clarity that they endorse a policy that is openly rejected by the vast majority of political leaders, American citizens and members of the international community. Rejected because it is immoral.

These torture policies will be judged a far greater injustice than the internment of Japaneese Americans during WWII. It is a fantastically ugly blot on this country and it's reputation.

Now it is clear that there exists an extensive worldwide system of "black" facilities where this torture takes place outside of the jurisdiction of American law (because it is against our laws). The report was confirmed by Trent Lott yesterday with the added information that recently Republican senators were briefed on the network of torture facilities by Cheney himself.

The ongoing torture has done irreparable damage to our international reputation. Not just in the Mideast, but around the globe. Even in countries that have been our traditional allies, the ongoing torture is a source of disgust and anti-American sentiment. It does great harm to our moral standing in the world. We have traded moral authority for bombs and coercion. Bushco has decided it is better to be feared than loved. They are willing to act in violation of all accepted moral and legal norms to make us feared. That is a great failure of our international relations. It will haunt this country for decades or longer.

Put simply, this administration continues to exercise a policy of torture that is in violation of federal and international law. The policy qualifies them as war criminals. ANYONE that continues to support this administration are guilty as well. They have a perverted worldview where any wrong can be justified and any harm is worth the end result of making us feared.

The continued support of these policies and the administration that has implemented it makes it clear that these die hard bushbot, freepers are morally bankrupt, sick and twisted individuals. They are a black mark on our country. They are as guilty of these crimes as Bushco itself.

Freeps make me sick.

To hell with them and their morally bankrupt, black hearts.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

1. Oh my

now THAT is disgusting!

[DistressedAmerican]

4. Just Trying To Reflect Their Basic Core Rottenness.

I know it is shocking to behold.

[indepat]

2. The extent of the moral bankruptcy in their black hearts will be evident

in the coming days IMHO.

[The Magistrate]

3. You Are Quite Right, Sir

The routine torture of prisoners, which is an undeniable fact, is viewed with repugnance by the great preponderance of our people. It is wholly contrary to what even most people on the right believe about our country and its conduct. People love their country and indentify with it, and do not like to be placed in a circumstance where doing so requires them to say, in effect, "I am a torturing sadistic liar...."

"My Country, right or wrong: when right to be kept right, when wrong to be put right."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[donheld]

5. Great rant

I don't understand why these fools support this administration and their perversions. They still want to badger us about Clinton's immorality, but they never mention Bushie and his cabals morals. This baffles me.

[DistressedAmerican]

6. Freeps Are Sick.They Simply Do Not Find This Immoral. Anything For Power.

Somehow I doubt that the usual cadre of freeps that like to repost my threads on their sites will be so willing to post this one. I guess they may. If they do it will only be to prove their continued denial and moral bankruptcy.

[DistressedAmerican]

7. Freep Kicker

[Kurovski]

8. This carries the same sentiment I expressed

on another thread yesterday:

"The Republican Party is an extremist, corporatised hulk of corruption to its very core. There is not a maggot that could feed on its remains. There is no saving it. Basic human decency was abandoned in the Republican Party the day BushCo was installed, and that abandonment was twenty years in the making.

Indeed, anyone with decency and awareness recoils from its stink of death, a stink which is both literal and figurative."

a little over the top, but then so are torture and unnecessary wars.

[DistressedAmerican]

9. Yeah, That About Sums It Up.

The rot is complete. Anyone still feasting on that apple are sick and need to be removed from the breeding population.

[Gman]

10. One day these people will stand trial

they may be traveling abroad and kidnapped, or just plain turned over to the international community. Who knows how it will happen. But I feel it ultimately will happen and they will stand trial. Ultimately, they alway do stand trial. Pinochet is on trial despite his old age. THe Nuremburg trials were held, albeit immediately. Nazi hunters in recent years are still hunting former torturers. The despots of the old Iron Curtain countries were dealt with in one way or another. Milosovik stood trial. Some like Stalin or Kruschev got away with it because they died first.

In the long term, I just don't see how the international community will have it any other way.

[DistressedAmerican]

11. From Your Lips To The Hague's Ears!

War crimes tribunals. That beats the hell out of simple impeachment. I for one would like the world to know that we have held the freaks responsible. If we do not, we are just accomplices before, during and after the fact.

[DistressedAmerican]

12. Hey Trolls, You Are Reposting My Other Threads, How About Reposting This.

I know you are seeing this post lurking trolls. It has been around long enough. Nothing to say? Cowards. Sick, twisted, cowards.

[Richard Steele]

13. Well said DA! Nice new graphic, too! nm

[Kurovski]

14. Kick(nt)

[meganmonkey]

15. Keep in mind, too, that it doesn't work, as far as getting information

from prisoners.

It is widely agreed that not only is it morally reprehensible, it just plain doesn't work. Information gained by torturing people is generally unreliable.

It is about fear and power, so even if we were to assume that all these prisoners are actually terrorists and we need to learn what they know about future attacks or where their leaders are hiding is totally bunk.

This whole thing is sick.

Good rant, DA :thumbsup:

[Lochloosa]

16. Ping

Forgive me...:evilgrin: I'm in training

[DistressedAmerican]

17. What's The Matter Freeps? I Reposted This For You And You Ban Me?

I thought your site was the bastion of free speech. I guess you just could not find a valid reason to support these continued war crimes? Weak.

That is why more DUers should join up and call you out. You have no morals. You have no sense of right or wrong.

Saddam torturing folks is bad. But, George Bush doing it is just fine with you. Look in the mirror you sick freaks. That is a war criminal staring back.

[izzybeans]

18. I'm willing to bet that once the new photos are finally released

they and their families will be experiencing a long period of intergenerational guilt not unlike German families who supported the Nazi's have felt since the collective "revelation" of their willful submission to fascism. Grandfathers will be telling stories to young children about the slick caresalesmen who stole their minds, and finally upon the exit from their intellectual youth, they saw the light when they realized the violence they had willfully allowed.

yet...
The thing about sick fucks and evil bastards is their inability to reflect upon themselves (you know that final stage in moral development). It will take some serious idol smashing in order for these dense androids to even begin to look into the mirror. All the oh so courageous trolls are capable of is sitting off in the distance and pointing fingers at others, occasionally a few "brave" souls will come here and stir up trouble. But it will take true strength to actually look in the mirror and start the hilarious self-examination they so desperately require. That site (of trolls)is the mark of a stalled or more appropriately, retarded, self-consciousness. From the descriptions of the "evidence" they claim to need, it would seem that after the new torture photos are released if they are still incapable of shifting their narrowly entrenched ideologies then perhaps we should just let them toil in obscurity after the rest of the world has moved on... like all the old McCarthyites were forced to do after they were found to be bat-shit insane, delusional, paranoid, and all that.

Developmental psychologists might say they've failed to develop advanced styles of moral reasoning. Their development into advanced human species functioning has been stalled by an army of propagandists. They can sit and mimic the tools of the logician but they can't really mentally exercises with those tools as they might apply it to themselves (the hold thyself to a lower standard than your opponent phenomenon that is their life). My thesis: This is because they've been bamboozled their whole life within an anti-intellectualist culture by neo-Machiavellian fascists. They make up the 60% of Stanley Milgrim's study who conform to the authoritarian will, dutifully extending the culture of violence on command. Pavlov rings the bell, they salivate like angry dogs.

Or an easier analogy, they are kind of like Glass Joe on Mike Tyson's punchout. They'll take evidentiary shots to the gut but it will take truth's upper cut to the jaw to really knock them out. And as intellectual heavy weights go, they are really just amateur first rounders on your way to the top. Perhaps knock them out and move on to bigger fish. Their site is really just a minuscule annoyance in the larger scheme of things.

[DistressedAmerican]

19. Twice You Spineless Freeps.

The truth hurts. I call you out twice on your support of torture and you ban me and kill both threads. I guess you and your site admins do not want anyone to read your lame ass torture apologist replies.

You are hypocrites. I am so sick of your crowing that your site does not ban folks. Does not delete threads. You do it all of the time. When you can't handle the truth.

You disgust me. Your site is a joke and its posters are torture apologists.

Can't stand up to a little criticism of your endorsement of widespread torture. Well then maybe you should not be supporting it.

[DistressedAmerican]

20. Wow One Actually Tried to Reply WithSomething Other Than

a threat or an insult.

This freak actually thinks that these incidents are isolated. He actually believes that America has not instututed a systematic policy of torture. It is right there for them to see. Dick Cheney lobbying for a torture exemption for the CIA while they claim we do not torture. These sick fucks are blinded by their power and hate.

Have a read. Just confirms how immoral these scum suckers really are.
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OK... I'm not very good at this and work issues kept interferring but I took DAs original post back at DU and fixed it... I'm leaving now so anyone who is better at this than I may use this as a start and adjust as needed.
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At this point is has become clear to loyal Americans that trusting Diseased American and others of his type to ever say anything truthful or engage in a truthful discussion on any issue, is a mistake. One of the major factors leading to this conclusion is the ever present issue of his inability to ever engage in a morally honest debate about any issue.

Anyone who claims to abhor what have been isolated incidents of “torture” by members of the military of the United States, without expressing similar sentiments against any organization or society who openly use torture as a matter of policy, have proven themselves to be morally dishonest and hateful of America and Americans.

Anyone who mistakenly believes the Geneva Convention applies to terrorists captured by forces representing governments around the world while not criticizing the beheading of civilians by the same organization of terrorists, have shown themselves to be little more than corrupt anarchists who favor the bad guys.

The UN has clear laws against torture but they apply to civilians and to uniformed military members representing a government. They do not apply to thugs going around and blowing themselves and other innocent people up at random just because they feel like it. If you are not capable of understanding this, it is your problem, not ours.

Likewise, niceties like public trials do not always apply to terrorists. Not because we just don’t want to bother but to conduct such trials will expose the circumstances and evidence related to their detection, capture and arrest, thus compromising intelligence sources and methods used to locate the terrorists. Anyone who is incapable of understanding this has shown where their actual sympathies lie.

The ongoing protests of the radical left have done irreparable damage to our international reputation. Not just in the Mideast, but around the globe. Even in countries that have been our traditional allies, these irrational protests are designed to appeal to emotion and fan anti-American sentiment.

Put simply, the left continues to exercise a policy of being against anything the current administration is for. Their actions have shown them to be guilty of providing support to the enemy and thus, guilty of the crime of treason. They have a perverted worldview where any action they take is justified by their hatred of America and this administration.

Radical lying hippies make me sick (and they don't smell vey good either)

To hell with them.
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We fought Napoleon and won, we fought Hitler and won, we fought the Soviet Union and won, we will fight terrorism, and we will win. You can go and hide under your beds whilst wetting your underwear if you so wish, but this will merely strengthen the bonds which tie the United Kingdom to the United States in their joint pursuit of these terrorist scum.

[Ladyhawk]

21. I don't recall anyone on DU supporting the beheadings or suicide bombings.

:wtf:

[Norwood]

22. What a great reason for mass sterilization

So how do you tell the difference between one who is a terrorist and someone who is not? Oh yeah, by the color of their skin right? They must all be terrorists according to these people.

This ongoing illegal war has done irreparable damage to our international reputation, not the people protesting it! It is not anti-American to exercise your right to dissent. It IS anti-american to blindly follow a "president" who has constantly lied and deceived the american people!

As far as his treason argument, -->Libby, Rove, Cheney (CIA Leak). I would say that the disclosure of a CIA agent helped someone who would like to do harm to our country.

These people are sick! Do they honestly believe half of the bullshit that comes out of their own mouths?

[izzybeans]

24. My post from above seems to stand confirmed

Mimed logic, rabid dogs, the whole bit.

[DistressedAmerican]

25. Just Like Their Talking Points, These Freeps Are So Very Predictable!

Most just wanted to tell me how it was just fine as long as we were doing it. I reminded them that they were endorsing war crimes. It didn't matter one bit to this sick freaks.

I know I should not bother talking sense to them. Someone has to try every now and then though.

[izzybeans]

26. I agree. I do the same on different boards.

I sometimes watch this board you are speaking of because I find it extremely amusing in that I'm laughing at the trolls kind of way.

[sniffa]

23. fuck the freepers

ANYONE who has not condemned this bunch, are maLevoLent fucks, and wiLL be treated as such.

[Kurovski]

27. Kick(nt)