Remember, Bush is LYING when he claims everyone had the same intelligence

[wicket]

In case you missed it, the White House is planning to "hit back" at Democrats who claim that the Bushies twisted the pre-war intelligence:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/08/Bush.retaliates/

They claim that everyone was working off the same intelligence:

The officials say they plan to repeatedly make the point -- as they did during the 2004 campaign -- that pre-war intelligence was faulty, it was not manipulated and everyone was working off the same intelligence.

This is a COMPLETE LIE, and they know it. Everyone most certainly was not working off the same intelligence since George W. Bush's October 5, 2001 memo in which he restricted access to classified information to only 8 members of Congress:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/gwb100501.html

(i) Only you or officers expressly designated by you may brief Members of Congress regarding classified or sensitive law enforcement information; and

(ii) The only Members of Congress whom you or your expressly designated officers may brief regarding classified or sensitive law enforcement information are the Speaker of the House, the House Minority Leader, the Senate Majority and Minority Leaders, and the Chairs and Ranking Members of the Intelligence Committees in the House and Senate.

We need to hit them HARD on this!!!! :spank: :spank: :spank:

[The Stranger]

1. Another lie that is being disseminated, yet the media does not question.

[havocmom]

2. Edited: your recommend just showed up too

;)

This is a good talking point and WE do need to hammer it home

The junta limited the intel access

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

3. Thanks for the heads up.

Bookmarked, kicked and recommended.

[blm]

4. Doesn't MATTER what intel Dems were reading or Bush was fixing. The ONLY

intel that mattered was what the WEAPONS INSPECTORS were delivering AFTER they went in and examined the evidence themselves.

Bush was to make his determination that war was unavoidable AFTER weapons inspectors reported back on the status of Iraq's weapons programs.



Any other past intel was INOPERABLE the moment the weapons inspectors started reporting ACCURATE INTEL from ON THE GROUND.

Don't get suckered into blaming the IWR or "bad intel" when the best intel was being delivered to Bush for the two months BEFORE he invaded. He chose to ignore it.

[hwmnbn]

5. I'm always thankful to DU for these tips.....

Whenever the RW talking points come up in conversation I can counter them effectively with the info y'all put up here.

Sometimes I can even sound intelligent.....well, at least compared to the fundie repukes who get "corrected"

So I'm recommending

[wicket]

13. Thank-you!

It's come 'round full circle considering I first learned of this info from DU, what would we do without it?? :)

[ProfessorGAC]

6. Remember What Cheney Said

On Meet The Press, when he repeated the old canard about al Qaeda and Saddam? He said he had information that others didn't, and he couldn't share it.

So, which is it? Did everyone have the same information? Or did Cheney had additional information? Or, is he lying? Again!
The Professor

[buzzard]

9. I remember that and have been trying to find a copy of the text.

If you have a link could you leave it, I will keep looking. Thanks

[ProfessorGAC]

10. Sorry, I Don't

It's been referenced many times here at DU. Try doing an archive search right here. It'll probably turn up.
The Professor

[tuvor]

7. Hm. Maybe the duped democrats should also point this out.

I wonder why they haven't bothered.

[deminks]

8. Everyone had the same "cooked" intelligence.

Bush Lied, Thousands Died

[unblock]

11. this should backfire nicely: democrats should have access, too

there's zero historical basis for herr shrub's restriction on classified info to only select fellow banana republicans, and it creates the obvious problem that it completely shuts the opposition party out.

more fundamentally, there's too much emphasis on the individuals and not enough emphasis on the people they represent. but what basis are the people of, say, new jersey denied their representative access to classified info? this also opens up the door for classified shenanigans at the expense of one state or another.

personally, i think all senators, and probably all congresspeople, should have unfettered access to classified info.

too much of a security problem? let that be a campaign issue. it would also be a good idea to just cut down on the number of secrets....

[yourout]

12. Everyone has more intelligence than Bush.

Oh.......thats not what you meant.

[Nightjock]

14. I'm confused

Please forgive my ignorance. It is alot to digest. You say:


"Everyone most certainly was not working off the same intelligence since George W. Bush's October 5, 2001 memo in which he restricted access to classified information to only 8 members of Congress"

Some of those 8 were democrats, right?
Why the hell did they not speak out?!?

Isn't that an effective talking point?

I know they lied us into a war BUT

how do you counter the point sheeple will make that a few dems did have access to those classified documents and did not say anything?

Is it correct to say these classified documents were the "cherry picked" intel? ....
Or was it everything including the reports Sadam had no WMD?

edited for stupidity...lol

[wicket]

16. good point Night Jock

Wish I had an answer- the Dems who did have access and did not speak up are also complicit.

[MissMarple]

19. I wondering the same thing. Maybe they couldn't speak out.

What info did they actually receive? And who are they and how did they vote? In 2001 that would be Daschle and ..? :shrug:

[wiggs]

15. Get O'Neill on the stand to explain quote:

From Suskind's book:

Secretary O'Neill says: "Everything Tenet sent up to Bush and Cheney about Iraq was very judicious and precisely qualified. The President was clearly very interested in weapons or weapons programs - and frustrated about our weak intelligence capability - but Tenet was clearly being careful to say, here's the little that we know and the great deal that we don't. That wouldn't change, and I read those CIA reports for two years," said O'Neill.

[theboss]

17. Then someone needs to tell this to Bill Clinton

Because he keeps saying he had the same intelligence.

[Festivito]

18. From OSP, or what? But, we need to make short clear statements.

I just don't know if these are the true way of saying these points: ANY CORRECTIONS ARE GREATLY WANTED:
6. "Cheney HIMSELF said on MTP that he had other, unreleased intel."
6. "Was Cheney lying, again?"
8. "But, they needed intel from the sources, not the cooks.
8. "Not everyone had access to the sources."
4. "Congress had not received inspectors reports before the vote."
4. "The vote that enabled Bush to enter war provided war was unavoidable."
11. "Republicons are still restricting classified information from America's representatives."
14. 8 had access, did they see it only, with time restriction, i dunno

[bigbrother05]

20. Carl Levin Sen. from Michigan

used these talking points with Tweety

http://www.canofun.com/blog/default.asp

go to all videos its about half way down the page Nov 7th.

Further note The only members that may be briefed, you have to remember there were alot of meetings that were closed, alot were secret, who says that Dems were ever informed.

[wicket]

21. kick

:kick:

[jillan]

22. To me, this is one of the stupidest things the bushiters are saying.

Where did this intellegence come from?
From them!!!
Senators, members of Congress don't have the same security clearance that the pResident does.

They need to quit insulting us!

[wicket]

23. Exactly!!!!

Grrr... they make me so mad! :grr:

[wicket]

24. kick

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