Who can you trust?

[mia]

Plot: Someone has come to you for help. This person has verifiable, incriminating, hard copies of information that, if revealed, would jeopardize the political career of a high ranking government official. Realizing that the potential danger for this informant, where would you suggest that this person go for help?

I know, I watch too many movies, but this is a serious question. I imagine that there are at least a few people who could be in this situation.

[dalloway]

1. Sy Hersch

[mia]

3. Thanks, your suggestion led me to these articles.

Glad to know more about him.

http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo03102003.html

http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/features/11719/index3.html

[H2O Man]

8. Best answer possible. n/t

[sweetheart]

2. make copies

Make a full set of copies of that information, and fedex it to 10
overseas newspaper editors.

Then take a copy to a newspaper of your choice once the letters are
safely out of the country. They won't be able to kill the person without
raising a stink. And any supression and distortion by local editorial
controllers, won't stop the truth from breaking in the public interest.

Don't trust the police, don't trust the government. They are just
agents of the mafia thugs you've got the goods on, so you'll have to
reach out to "likely" trustworthy sources, and in that sense, most
foreign newspapers are pretty trustworthy.

[rosesaylavee]

4. Also, make copies and mail them to yourself and a

trusted other. Don't open them - the postmark will predate the delivery of the documents to whoever is chosen to be the conduit to the media/general public.

[sweetheart]

7. Yes, i forgot to add

When you send it to overseas newspaper editors, include a "cc-list"
of whomelse you've sent it to. This will keep them honest, and
preclude the need to have to preserve that "you" broke the story.
For that matter, given how the bush people work in terms of personal
attack, it might be wise to hide the evidence once you've broken this
even to other news sources... and remain anonymous.

Linda tripp is "hated" by lotsa people for not keeping anonymous in
a similar event.

[mia]

12. Linda Tripp was hated by Republicans too?

The main character in this story will forever remain anonymous.

cc-list confirmed

[sweetheart]

15. maybe by anyone who would never rat out a friend

A rat/informant/grass commands little respect as a human
being, let alone by any partisan measure. Especially as monika
trusted her, and in that sense, tripp has been branded for life as
a betrayer of a friends trust. Do you know anyone who likes her,
of any pursuasion?

[mia]

16. Yes, I see your point.

They're called "rats" for good reason.

[mia]

9. Good idea. Confirmed the file delete.

"Also, make copies and mail them to yourself and trusted other."
Good idea.

Your image gave me pause. :tinfoilhat:

[rosesaylavee]

11. Like the file delete? Found it on DU the

other day and think I may have it in my signature for quite awhile.

:)

[mia]

21. I like your signature.

Just saved it!

[mia]

5. Multiple copies are a given as the plot thickens...

and at your suggestion, ready to be FedExed at a moment's notice.

So we can't trust anyone in our government?
The question arises because I'm wondering if there are any honest
politicians.

Edit for typo.

[sweetheart]

13. Trust indivdiuals

I would send 10 copies to 10 trusted indivduals with a cc'list
including already which foreign newspaper editors that the info
has been sent to. In this regard, the person is confronted with an
undeniable truth, for which he/she knows will not be broken by US
media given the corruption.

So who would stand looking at such a thing?

Then make a list of 10... here's my list:

1. Dennis Kucinich
2. Conyers
3. Feinstein
4. UK ambassador
5. Brazil Ambassador
6. Japanese ambassador
7. German Ambassador
8. Russian Ambassador
9. Chinese Ambassador
10. French Ambassador

International agencies will do 2 things. It will force the persons
who are corrupted to perform a massive damage control initiative in
USA foreign diplomacy to cover up their criminality, and this will
drain their political capital to come after the person breaking the
info... it creates political complexity, whereas, inside the US, with
just a policeman at your side, who ultimately works
for the executive, its not much protection.

[mia]

18. Top ten list of trusted government officials

Denis Kucinich was the first person who came to mind for me, followed by Wesley Clark, John Conyers, Harry Reid, and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

I like your analysis of the part to be played by foreign diplomats in a scenario such as this.

[Robert Murphy]

6. Er...

"Don't trust the police, don't trust the government. They are just
agents of the mafia thugs you've got the goods on, so you'll have to
reach out to "likely" trustworthy sources, and in that sense, most
foreign newspapers are pretty trustworthy."

Uhm, with all due respect, aren't we getting a wee bit uncomfortably close to the essence of what one might read in a "Michigan Militia" pamphlet here?

Yes, there are rogue cops and corrupt officials out there--perhaps more than I'd like to believe--but this does not describe the entire US power structure.

Robert

P.S. Have a person lined-up as "button-down." I.e. someone with the information in hand whom you can count on to release it to the press should you fail to make any one of a series of scheduled phone calls, or to say a given coded phrase during any one of them.

[sweetheart]

10. Say your info indicts cheney

Do you honestly think that cheney does not have the authority to
pretty much snap any government employee towards "north" if he wants
to exercise his magnet?

People with evidence on the bush clan have not done very well with the
public officals, erased records, it makes them untrustworthy.

The miltiary is untrustworthy for its crimes.
All news outlets are bought and will not be able to expose.
All federal police are gangsters for the drugs-nazi in washtington
All local police exist to repress race riots.

No, i don't trust any police... it is a police state, with the worst
thugs of the lot, the police, no never. I only trust foreign media
who are not bought and paid for. The corruption of the matrix is total.

I accept your point, sir, and maybe you trust them, but in all
honestly, if the info is on high-up corruption, it'll just be lost
by the police, and the individual will wind up caused pain by the
yakuza of the republican corruption machine.

[mia]

22. "button-down" person

Hadn't heard that phrase before, but a good idea.

I just came back from reading about the "Michigan Militia". Is it possible to mistrust government officials without being linked to them?

Who do you trust in government RM?

[ErisFiveFingers]

14. Go to all members of the press.

It's the fourth estate for a reason.

[sweetheart]

17. In a world of competing empires, its "one" tetonic plate

If each sovereign nation, is a tetonic plate, then the US federal is
one, with "one" media censorship oligopolopy. The 4th estate is in
theory, independent and plural.

Then the question arises of which media are not "bought", who are really
trustworthy of breaking a story that could move history, in a way
that might not be good for corporate advertising revenues.

Then, to reach the 4th estate, one must contact a 4th estate across
the tectonic media-plates, given that each nation state of the 6
billion lives in a different media-fishtank, with different "column-inch"
editorial mixes, 13% violence, 48%sex, 29%cynical. So to break a
story worldwide, is to hit the 4th estate pure, in its multitectonic
aspect, that every central banker in the world is aware of the
impact that this corruption will have on their nation's net wealth.

And its a puzzle, conundrum of guerilla activism, reaching the
mythical 4th estate, that we reach knowledge-fusion, and the little
sparks that have flitted of enlightenment of past thousands of
years, erupt in a nuclear fireball of human enlightenment, trust
and goodwill. And how does one transmit this goodwill, as much as
rove transmitts his evil will down the grey drainpipe of
corporate news.

So the story must transmit 1x10x10x10x10x10x10x10 to break... as in
the "heat" of the transmission reaches critical with every
elevation in "hotness" of the break.

But if its really hot, a uranium reactor core,
gone super heavy, the sorta break
that brings down nixon again dammit,
and don't miss the heart with the wooden stake this time round! :-0

It is a profoundly interesting topic, this 4th estate, across the
planet of 6 billion, like neurons firing, how information travels,
and other stays local, what causes these things to fire?

[mia]

20. "a nuclear fireball of human enlightenment, trust and goodwill"

The cause of "these things to fire" most likely will be from the 5th estate. No longer are we lonely travelers on the road to peace.

This IS "a profoundly interesting topic", and you articulate it so well. Thank you.

[mia]

25. and we are the fifth estate

Your post sent me looking for information about "The Estates".
Thank you.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. FIRST THING...MAKE COPIES! Second, STAY OFF OF SMALL AIRPLANES!

Bernie Sanders? Patrick Fitzgerald? Dennis Kucinich? Keith Olbermann? Sy Hersh? William Pitt? Dick Durbin? Frank Lautenberg?

Certainly NOT a repuke. NONE of them have integrity. NONE. NEVER, EVER trust a repuke. Look at the "Gang of 14" and learn ANOTHER lesson. LOOK at the SCOTUS who appointed the king idiot, and learn a lesson.

A person of integrity is hard to find these days.

[mia]

26. Added your names to the list.

I used to admire some Republicans, but all of them have caved in to the demands of this administration. I'm also reminded of the arm-twisting that went on during the clandestine passage of the Medicare Bill. I'd like to see a bunch of Republicans change their party affiliation.

[blm]

23. Jonathan Landay, Warren Strobel, John Walcott.

.

[Tennessee Gal]

24. Joe Conason, John Dean, Josh Marshall

[mia]

27. The list. Thanks to all who replied here.

~Government Officials:
Dennis Kucinich
John Conyers
Diane Feinstein
Harry Reid
Dick Durbin
Frank Lautenberg
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz
Bernie Sanders

Patrick Fitzgerald


~US Media - Columnists:
Sy Hersh
Keith Olbermann
William Pitt
Jonathan Landay
Warren Strobel
John Walcott
Joe Conason
John Dean
Josh Marshall

~Foreign Government Officials:
UK Ambassador
Brazil Ambassador
Japanese ambassador
German Ambassador
Russian Ambassador
Chinese Ambassador
French Ambassador

~Foreign Media