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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 01:50 PM
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Am I just PARANOID or are there NAZI TRAITORS in the WH?
On Friday in LBN I posted a reference to a story entitled
Bush-Nazi Link Confirmed; Documents in National Archives Prove George W. Bush's Grandfather Traded with Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor
hosted by rense.com but originally from The New Hampshire Gazette:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The thread has received quite a few responses including many more links on this subject of interest.

One reply blandly stated that this story isn't "new" and I replied to that:
87.The National Archive CONFIRMATION *is* NEW

Yes, this has been "known" and reported and discussed in certain non-mainstream circles for some time. However, the confirmation via the National Archives is NEW and is what makes this story news worthy.
WHAT COULD BE MORE NEWS WORTHY THAN THE VERY REAL BUT UNBELIEVABLE POSSIBILITY THAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS OCCUPIED BY NAZIS HELL BENT ON THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC?

HELLO! The * is NOT the president of the United States. He is an installed SOCK PUPPET for an elite who are at their core Nazi Fascists. How could this have happened without the use of blackmail against both the Supreme Court of the United States AND the Congress AND whatever mainstream news sources they do not control from the inside?

H E L L O !!! These traitorous, murderers and criminals will do ANYTHING and have the wealth and power to do ANYTHING to advance their agenda. They are telling us flat out that the next event--to be blamed on 'terrorists', to create sufficient havoc to institute martial law in some quarters, to further justify the invasion of our privacy and the ersosion of our liberties-- will make 9/11 look like a Sunday picnic. Cheney and his ilk are talking of "hundreds of thousands" of deaths. Not in Iraq. Not in Afganistan. Right here--with SPECTACULAR full 24/7 media coverage that will TERRORIZE not only every man woman and child in this country, but around the world.

H E L L O !!! Answer this question:

Do those who have the ability to install an unelected president and murder 3,000 American citizens in broad day light AND GET AWAY WITH IT also have the means to plant nuclear or other weapons of mass distruction in cities throughout the United States and in other cities around the world?


If you do not believe that "they" have this capacity then you are not paying attention. IF THEY DO HAVE THIS CAPACITY then it is clear that they have the capacity to BLACKMAIL any civic leader in any city or state or at the federal level--and very likely, many foreign leaders as well.

ARE WE PAYING ATTENTION YET, FOLKS?

HOW MANY MORE OF US ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DIE???

SCOTTY! PLEASE BEAM ME UP !!!


So, my question to you all is, AM I JUST CRAZY? AM I JUST PARANOID??

I watch myself. It's true, I'm AM paranoid--but I look around and see what is happening--how MANY unanswered questions there are about SO MANY "coincidences" that, to me, it looks like YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE IN FULL DENIAL TO NOT KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS VERY, TERRIBLY, POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHICALLY WRONG.

Please Help me, FOLKS!
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 01:52 PM
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1. Unfortunately,
you aren't paranoid.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 01:56 PM
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3. Thank you, but I don't know...
if that makes me feel better or worse!! ;)
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clemencia2us Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 05:47 PM
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38. history channel
I watched several segments about Nazi Germany on the History channel yesterday. I thought the same thing. The final hour talked about how SS groups still meet each year to honor and defend their past.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 01:56 PM
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2. I wish you were paranoid
but it seems they ARE out to get you.

Just because the fascists in this country didn't join Hitler doesn't make them any less fascist 60 years later.

but it helps to explain a lot.
:nuke:







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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 01:59 PM
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5. Many immigrated to this country and were INCORPORATED
by our government as scientists and such! :puke: It was all about power and greed! Now we have LOOPED BACK to the same scenario because we have not conquered the control that these have over us as a society.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 05:57 PM
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41. Incorporated not just as scientists but also as
CIA agents (by the truckload, it sounds to me), and peppered all over the RNC, etc.

There IS a long, unbroken line of American fascism (with some cross-cultural influence thrown in) from the 1930s, if not before, straight on to now. At various times the fascism has been more obvious (McCarthyism, Nixon, Bush1 had we but been paying attention), and at other times it's gone underground to grow deeper, stronger, longer roots.

Eloriel
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:01 PM
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7. It is the ONLY EXPLANATION
I've found that seems to cover all the WEIRD things that are going on. I mean, a meat head body-builder come actor, philanderer, Hitler admirer, whose father was a card carrying Austrian Nazi, is 'elected' GOVERNOR OF THE FIFTH LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD while Senator Hatch introduces an amendment to the Constitution to make persons like him eligible to become President??!!??

WAHHHH
WHOSE REALITY IS THIS ANYWAY??!!! It sure as hell isn't "mine" or any other SANE person I know.

BMU

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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 01:57 PM
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4. It doesn't matter
WWII is over, get over it.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:09 PM
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13. You are wrong
WW II simply went COLD. As the American Nazi recruiter in the movie "Slauterhouse Five" said to the American POWs: "We aren't your enemy. WE are the only thing that stands between YOU and the RED MENACE." Vonugut was making a point.

Nazi Germany capitulated. FASCISM DID NOT.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:01 PM
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6. Does trading with Nazis make one an actual Nazi?
I agree with you that "something is very terribly, potentially catastrophically wrong" with the Bush administration, and that the history of the Bush family war profiteering is shameful and very telling of what kind of ethics and morals the Bushes have.

But I would need to see a few more swastikas in the White House before I concluded that "the White House is occupied by Nazis."
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:04 PM
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8. SWASTIKAS SMASHTIKAS
Are people so BLIND to ACTUAL EVIDENCE IN THE FORM OF POLICIES AND UNEXPLAINED EVENTS that the only thing they can relate to as PROOF are SUMBOLS??

GIVE ME A BREAK!!

BMU
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:07 PM
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10. wow, I knew I shouldn't have responded to this
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 02:07 PM by eileen_d
Did I not agree with you that the Bush-Nazi connection IS reprehensible, and the Bush administration policies are also reprehensible and potentially catastrophic?

But you'll call me ignorant and blind until I agree with you that Bush is a Nazi.

Beam me OUT.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:12 PM
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16. sorry, I did not mean to offend you
I did not call you "ignorant". But I am VERY frustrated when I hear "I'll need to see more swastikas in the WH" kind of talk. If the current policies issuing from the WH are not fascist, what are they?
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:19 PM
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17. Well, the policies are very facist - I'm not arguing that.
I realize I'm arguing from a kind of nitpicky place, and I didn't mean to be so flip. I think that links between the Bush family and the Nazis should be publicized, loudly and widely. And the facism in the Bush administration should also be decried.

So I'll leave it at that.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:55 PM
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29. Swastikas were simply Brandname. They mean NOTHING except as symbol
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 02:56 PM by seventhson
The actual Naziism is in the policies which the Bush family promoted, marketed, and sold to the U.S. as a bill of goods .

They DISCARDED the LOGO when it no longer served its purpose.

Fascism will use ANY means - any LIES - any symbols to work: the U.S Flag. The dollar sign. "you've got mail". ANYTHING to hold onto their stolen booty.

MTV, SUV, DVD, AOLCNNTIMEWARNERETCWHATEVER, IBM. (Read "Der Fuehrer" by Konrad Heiden for the blueprint)


They did NOT do it alone. But they played and play a lead role.

Just cause they threw out the logo does not mean they do not still use the idealogy of fascism to maintain their power grip since 1932.
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:07 PM
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11. Interesting question. They could be just greedy, immoral...
bastards, which they are anyway. Greed and avarice are Bush favorites, and have been throughout their history. Still, looking at the fascist tactics they've adopted of late, it would be hard to argue that someone in the WH hasn't read Mein Kampf, and the rest of Hitler's works, and are using them as a masterplan for the U.S.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:09 PM
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14. Yes, I agree
Greedy, immoral, fascist tactics -- all true. Similar to Nazis? Yes. Actual Nazis? No.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:20 PM
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18. so you're saying
that 'actual nazis' have to wear a certain symbol on their arm and march around in ques and carry flags with their symbol on them...or what, exactly?

If their policies are fascist and their tactics (such as outing an agent of the CIA, especially one of her caliber ) are fascist, then to me whether they wear neckties and little 'American flag' pins or not is completely irrelevant. Those are merely SYMBOLS. They can be co-opted by anyone.

Besides, if my paranoia has even a germ of truth in it, then where we are now--and I think where we are IS a catastrophy--could well be ONLY THE BEGINNING.

BMU
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:26 PM
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20. Yes, I guess I do associate Nazis with symbols.
I think a lot of Americans do as well, not that it makes us right. I'm just speaking from my perspective.

That doesn't mean I excuse the Bush administration for their facist policies. I don't think that the fact that the Bush administration wears suits, ties, American flag tie tacks, etc. makes them any less DANGEROUS.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:36 PM
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26. then we have no disagrement
To me, it doesn't matter what we CALL them so much--eveil, dangerous, men all--but they FUNDED Naziism, they CREATED Hitler with their wealth and via a ruse on the German people. All that power, all that money, all that INTENTION...it never went away. It is still here with us. A sickness, literally destroying our Republic from the inside out.

We need help. We must help one another and we must seek help from ALL FRIENDS OF DEMOCRACY EVERYWHERE.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 04:00 PM
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35. You're missing
the forest for the trees, Eileen. They ARE actual Nazis shored up by those they imported and installed in the CIA under Allen Dulles after WWII. I'll leave mention of those hidden in South America for a time when you're a little more "up-to-speed." There are MANY links on this board that will help you on your search for the truth, is TRUTH is what interests you... There's a VERY recent link, I think in Editorials- Pat Buchanan, no less. Do you REALLY WANT to know? :shrug:
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:12 PM
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15. Actually, FP, I think they wrote it
It is the playbook and it has been passed down to THIS generation of treasonous fascist collaborators.

I think our only hope is in those govermment personnel who actully have access to the details of the corruption (like the PLAME AFFAIR) and who are loyal enough to the principles of Democracy and our Constitution to bring the truth to light.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:04 PM
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9. They are not Nazi traitors....
They are very loyal to the Nazi ideology!
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:09 PM
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12. WWII Never ended. We lost. The BushNazis won. You aren't paranoid
The financial backers of Hitler have been in control pretty much ever since WWII which transformed into a war against the people of the US and the world by Wall Street.

There is NOTHING paranoid about recognizing this.

It took the internet to bust through the corporate owned media silence (the media globally is controlled by Wall Street).

The BFEE is getting desperate and so is pulling out ALL the stops to consolidate their power and prevent their prosecution and punichment for their crimes against humanity.

It DOES matter that people understand this so they can be motivated to stop it and to expose those who collaborte with the BFEE - whether it be supine Dems or outright sellouts and treasonous lapdogs.

Our democratic process may be the SOLE thing keeping this whole mess from turning into a permanent global fascist nightmare.

I happen to have confidence in the victory of good over evil, as Bob Marley said. Whether in this lifetime or not.

All we can do is try to bring about a decent enlightened and compassionate world free of fear and destructive greed. If we at least TRY to do that we should be at ease.

It is all we can do.

Knowing the truth (that these people are truly evil , selfish and treasonous) SHOULD give you some comfort.

It is not you imagination.

People are bonding together to try to stop it.

And we can.



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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:27 PM
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21. Thank You
This is what I NEED to hear. I need to hear that I'm not 'crazy'. I didn't believe I was, but there are moments when, inwardly, I become so disillusioned with what is going on around me--so many people who think this is just SOME KIND OF JOKE, that I begin to feel very vulnerable and alone.

I know that I am not alone. I know that there are REAL AMERICANS, real citizens of the world who BELIEVE that Humanism, Environmentalism and American idealism has something real and lasting to offer the human race.

Ultimately ALL OF US WHO HAVE ALLOWED RACISM TO FLOURISH THROUGHOUT HISTORY ARE 'NAZIS.' That is, the history of most 'races' on this planet. However, I would also point out that that 'racist' point of view HAS BEEN PROMULGATED BY THE ELITES through history.

What we need is to liberate ourselves from deception and denial and to move forward out into the world with a vision grounded in human values. IMO
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:49 PM
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28. Your Welcome!!! One VERY Bright Note: The CIA OUTED the Plame Scandal
and pinned it on Bushco.

THAT was the BEST THING THAT HAS Happened post 9-11 politically.

The actual honorable men and women (like the FBI folks who blew the whistle on the Saudis flight training coverup squelch) who are vested to DISCOVER CRIME, USE INTELLIGENCE TO PROTECT US, and take their oaths to the Constitution SERIOUSLY - in THIS case the CIA itself - is sick and tired of the Bush lies and treasonous consuct.

Our democracy actually appears to work in this shining glimmer of hope.

There ARE honorable men and women in the FBI, CIA and the intelligence services who will NOT sell out to BUSH and his cronies.

the BFEE is self destructing under the wieght of its own greed and idiocy.

It WILL be a rocky and dangerous road ahead.

But NOW, unlike 2000 when we were sleepy, comfy and not prepared for the onslaught - Americans SEE THROUGH THE BUSHLLIT. we KNOW they are fascist imbeciles so greedy they cannot plan straight.

And we will throw them out in 2004.

KEEP THE FAITH, Baby!!!
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. I will 'keep the faith' and I agree with you
that their are honorable people in the government services and our military services. WE NEED YOU GUYS!! Help us HELP YOU.

Give us CLEWS AND CUES!

We'll spread the word to everyone we can, but you have to give us USABLE POLITICAL AMUNITION.



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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #12
23. Whoa!
I thought I was the only person in the world that noticed this. If you follow the money that backed Hitler, it's obvious. What blows my mind is that it isn't even really hidden. Nobody takes the time to look. It's just the President, why bother with silly details?
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:26 PM
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19. You may very well be paranoid - but in this case you are dead right!!
And we are in horrendous trouble!
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:28 PM
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22. This was in Michael Moore's last book
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 02:29 PM by Neo Progressive
Stupid White Men. I love it when newspapers take their time reporting the indiscretions of Bush (this isn't a criticism of the thread creator, but of the conservative as hell media).
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:30 PM
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24. They are fascists and it appears to me they have taken over.
There modus operandi is very similar to the Nazi way both in theory as outlined in "Mein Kampf" and in practice as is born out by history. The only reason we haven't been completely taken over is because they aren't through consolidating their power, which is incidentally happening at a rapid pace. I am very concerned with what happened this month in California, my state.

The Germans and the free world could have rid themselves of Hitler and the Nazis if they had seen the writing on the wall and acted to stop them. We still have time to stop them and take our country back, but we must stop talking and start acting. Apparently the Democratic Party leaders aren't able to agree enough to do this, so I fear it will have to come from a grass roots movement.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. What can we do?
I fear it will have to come from a grass roots movement.

Do you think NON VIOLENT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE WILL WORK?
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:01 PM
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30. Not really. Satyagraha helps. But direct political action works best
Register people to vote and educate the powerless to vote.

WE have the numbers to beat them.

Education and constant vigilance help. Sharing ideas works.

But organizing the electorate to defeat Bush is the first priority.

Making sure that the Dem candidate is not Bushco (i.e. Clark or Kerry) is MY next priority. Making sure that the VP candidate is NOT Bushco is my third priority to prevent another JFK.

Did ANYBODY know that Halliburton's Brown and Root was LBJ's TOP corporate sponsor? I just learned that when I watched JFK again.

Watch it and shudder.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #30
34. BBV has made me skeptical of 'geting out the vote'
as a serious challenge. 2000, 2002, and 2003 (CA) suggest strongly to me that voting won't really do the trick.

Can you PROVE to me that I'm wrong?

BMU
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 05:40 PM
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37. Nope. But we have to try on ALL fronts
Peacefully.

Otherwise we will get fed to the lions
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:13 PM
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32. No.
We are dealing with a politically brainwashed and poorly educated public, who gets its information in short sound bites from a compliant media who doesn't care how biased and shallow their coverage is. I really don't understand our Democratic leadership. Either they don't think it's a big problem or they are afraid.

We have to get the truth out. All the internet websites, like this one, provide one outlet, but it's not enough. I was truly thinking if politically savvy, but non-partisan activists had neighborhood meetups for everyone, like on a monthly basis, to discuss the problems each neighborhood has like unemployment, crime and other things everyone is personally concerned about, they could lead into a discussion about how these problems came to be and who is really responsible.

This education of the public should have been done by a free press, but evidently we don't have that anymore like Nazi Germany. The Nazis controlled all the print media and radio news. (There was no TV then.) Occasionally diplomats and foreign correspondents could obtain newspapers and periodicals from other countries that covered the news the Nazis didn't want out in the public.

We are facing this today so we are going to have to get the truth out ourselves. Also, Americans are still being told by right wing members of Congress that Iraq and 9-11 are connected and I even heard it today from Congressman Dana Roharbach. He is also blaming the Iraq war on the Clinton administration. These are the lies that need to be stifled by a free press, but it's not happening so we will have to do it ourselves.

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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. Very well said
by the way...

Is this sigpicture your alter ego or your fantasy (or both)???
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 05:53 PM
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40. My alter ego.
Clete was an Amazon queen, but I haven't learned paint shop well enough yet to do the sig I want, so Xena is doing temp duty for me.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #40
50. Hot!!!
sig line AND posts!
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #24
48. This is why
Bev Harris Is so dangerous to them....She has broken a tooth in one of their gearwheels...it's going to take a lot more though....they know their timeline has shortened.

I'll tell you why I'm paranoid....I believe they will not leave without bringing down the house of cards

//The only reason we haven't been completely taken over is because they aren't through consolidating their power, which is incidentally happening at a rapid pace.//
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:32 PM
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25. well, I have no idea whether you are crazy or paranoid
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 02:32 PM by leftofthedial
but you're right about that fascists occupy the White House and you are right that they hate the democratic, egalitarian principles on which our country was founded.

The same fascists also control the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court.

And the national media and financial institutions.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. There you have it.
Succinct and to the point.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 05:48 PM
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39. no your not just paraniod
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:00 PM
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42. you are correct
its make or break time for us monkeys!

thanks for expressing your mortal fear. i share it.

"the ghetto is a cage
they only give you two choices
be a rebel or a slave
SO I REBEL."

just keep fighting.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:31 PM
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43. You're not paranoid, you're just wrong. And overly optimistic.
It's not the Nazis. It's the Illuminati who are running the show. The nazis were just unknowing puppets of the Illuminati.
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:33 PM
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44. Potatoes, potahtoes. Same tuber nonetheless.
eom
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:58 PM
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45. Well, not really.
The Nazis were small potatoes.

http://www.ctrl.org/essay2/MCIJFKA1.html

What is the Illuminati?

In 1785, a bolt of lightning struck a courier en route to Paris from Frankfort-on-the-Main. "Original Shift in Days of Illuminations," a tract written by Adam "Spartacus" Weishaupt, founder of the Illuminati, was recovered from the dead messenger. It contained the secret society's long-range plan for "The New World Order through world revolution."

There is disagreement among scholars as to whether or not the Illuminati survived its banishment. Nevertheless, under Weishaupt's guidance, the group had been quite successful in attracting members and through various manipulations had allied itself with the extensive Masonic networks in Europe and the United States.

On December 5, 1776, students at William and Mary College founded a secret society, Phi Beta Kappa. A second chapter was formed, at Yale, in 1780. The anti-Masonic movement which erupted in the United States during the 1820s denounced the secrecy of groups such as Phi Beta Kappa. The society responded to this pressure by going public. Some researchers note this as the direct cause of the appearance of Yale's Order of Skull and Bones.

The alumni of Skull and Bones provide a direct link between secret societies and the state department/national security apparatus.


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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:05 PM
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46. Yeah, I read about them before.
My point is that fascist thinking is pretty old and it seems to reinvent itself in various guises, in various eras but the core thinking is the same.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:47 PM
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47. There's nothing 'illumined' about them.
I've read some of the 'illuminati' information.

The problem I have with it, very simply put, is that it is a 'theory.' Nazis, Fascists, Elitists of various stripes are NOT a theory. THEY ARE LIVING FLESH AND BLOOD PEOPLE MAKING DECISIONS IN THE DARK THAT CAN DETERMINE THE FATE OF ALL HUMAN KIND.

To me, it doesn't matter WHAT you call them.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:02 PM
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49. late night kick
its good to be scared when you should be scared
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:16 PM
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51. Paranoid? lol, no. Traitors? Yes. A nazi by any other
name is still a fascist.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:16 PM
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52. Wow, I don't know whether to laugh at the paranoia
or join in and get out the tin foil hats.

Sounds far-fetched yet...

Totally makes sense...

yet looking at that kind of truth is very difficult for some to believe.

My take: You're not paranoid...

But that is only based on a gut feeling and my total abhorence of all things Bush*
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:26 PM
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53. Welcome to the rewashing of your brain
or to be more precise, really looking at the goods you have been handed and making up your own mind.
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yellowdawgdem Donating Member (972 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 04:20 AM
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54. scarey times
well, one difference between now and nazi germany is that we are fighting alot harder. I think that is a good thing, regardless of who wins. But I think that ultimately we will win, although it could take between 5 to 10 years. But it could also go along more quickly, and I hope it does.
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 04:34 AM
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55. Assuming...
Assuming that the ballot machines aren't hacking beyond recognition again like they have been for the last 3 elections... then yes, the Nazis should be out of the white house.
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yellowdawgdem Donating Member (972 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 04:48 AM
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56. Yeah, that bbv thing is the clincher
that'll sure make a difference, one way or the other.
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