It's official...a guy I thought I could talk to is a freeper

[SHRED]

We have been exchanging emails.
I have known and worked with him in the past.

I wrote a lenghty piece about this insane war and the lies and the leak and the bullshit of not sending troops in armored.

Here is the response and I will not be talking to him again.
Wow! There is this kind of peolple out there.
Frightening shit eh?

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Yeah whatever sit in your comfy chair and spew your anti govt crap. Get up and make a difference. It's easy to follow.... harder to lead.
We could alleviate the need for oversees oil here by drilling but all the bug and tree lovers will never let that happen.
We did not go to war just for oil. The US will not tolerate pussy terrorists. We will find them and destroy them. The troops are their to send a message to the rest of the world. Don't F with the US.
The Pres doesn't demoralize the troops. It's the Press and loud mouths who spew the anti-Gov crap. They publicize everything that is going wrong and nothing that is going right.
Would you have been happy growing up in Iraq? Posting your anti gov rhetoric about Sadam. You would have been silenced **
Exit strategy...set up Iraqi Gov..train their military....leave
Bush is not the best Pres but he has the nuts for it. Not like Clinton who just liked to get his nuts off.
Again leaders and followers...we know who we are

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[nadinbrzezinski]

1. aren't they amazing?

[McCamy Taylor]

39. Worst Freepers are the moles who come here to make trouble.

In disguise, trying to start in fighting or making stupid thread headers stuff like that. I dont mind honest opinions.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

2. Oh, dear

Well, uh, this isn't good at all.

I can't even imagine how this freaked you.

It freaked me.

Ewwwww.

You're safe here, baby.

Speaking of pussy, here:

[tabasco]

3. Send him one last email with this link:

www.goarmy.com

Sounds like another tough talkin' chickenhawk to me. They love war but don't seem to want to participate. That is why the Army has just called my 47-year old ass up out of the IRR.

[Swamp Rat]

8. Exactly!

Let's see if he's a chicken shit coward or not. :)

http://www.militaryenlist.com/army.htm

[babylonsister]

14. They did? What will you do? Can you get out of it? nt

[tabasco]

18. No, can't get out of it. A deal's a deal.

Unlike Bu$h, I will honor my military obligation.

edit typo

[babylonsister]

21. Oh, crap, tabasco. Please

keep us posted if you care to about what's happening/will happen with you.

[tabasco]

24. OK. I really don't know what they have planned for me.

I won't find out until I report in January.

[babylonsister]

28. Can I ask what you're qualified for? I'm hoping you do something

that allows you to stay on this side of the pond.

[tabasco]

32. Infantry officer. n/t

[jbnow]

35. What's the story?

You wrote "army has just called my 47-year old ass up out of the IRR"

IRR must be some kind of reserve? So you served in the army for a long time and then retired and are being called back now?
I think I read they can only do that to officers? How long were you in and how long have you been out? What will you be doing now? Did they give you a time limit?

You say, maturely, a deal is a deal, but did you really think it was possible? I mean...is it made clear or is it a fine print sort of thing?

I wish you luck in whatever you end up doing, but wish you weren't being called. I wish no one needed to be.

[alittlelark]

40. IRR = Individual Ready Reserves

[tabasco]

42. I left active duty under something called VSI.

Yes, I am an officer.

Basically I chose to take an early retirement after 12 years. The deal was I stayed in the ready reserves (IRR) as long as I got paid. Normally, the IRR doesn't get called up unless it's a real emergency (especially infantry). I think doctors and nurses got called up for Gulf War 1. It was not a complete surprise, as the military has been facing a personnel crisis for some time.

[alittlelark]

25. Dude, don't go.

There is no honor in serving the whims of chickenhawk/war-profiteering CRIMINALS.

[tabasco]

30. The military needs people who will tell the truth.

There are many people serving honorably who are preventing bad things from happening.

[alittlelark]

34. They are probably 10X more likely to DIE

by whatever means. Seriously - unless you are in a REALLY safe unit (dockworkers, cooks...) please think a few hundred more times about your choice.

[TheDebbieDee]

4. Again leaders and followers...

* is a leader alright. He's leading us straight into hell-on-earth!

[Swamp Rat]

5. Before cutting off contact, make sure you send him a military enlistment

form and call a recruiter and set up an appointment for him. Don't let the chicken shit freeptard get off that easy.

http://www.militaryenlist.com/army.htm

[Lex]

6. That's what I was going to say too!

nt

[SHRED]

7. He is mid 40's?

[Swamp Rat]

12. No excuses!

I'd tell him to "SHUT UP!" and to get his sorry, yellow ass to a recruiter TODAY! NO EXCUSES!

http://www.militaryenlist.com/army.htm



:D

[rateyes]

9. If he is an example of a "leader"....

anyway stupid enough to follow him will, in the long run, regret it. "If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a ditch." Nuff said.

[Junkdrawer]

10. I don't suppose telling him who put Sadam's (sic) party in power...

would give him pause for thought. No, no, that train doesn't stop at that station very often.

[MissWaverly]

11. It's amazing how they do not believe in freedom of speech

at all, no dissent, just lock step, if we had had more discerning
review of the Iraq problem, we would have made a 100% commitment
to find Osama and he would be in jail right now. I don't understand
why we are jumped on for saying this.

[Aimah]

13. He seems a little too interested in nuts.

Clinton was a better President..but he liked to get his nuts off. If only Bush just liked to get his "nuts off". I think I'd take everything that's happened in the last 5 years under Clinton than under any Bush.

[Cerridwen]

15. Anti-government crap? Like Norquist?

Or is that a different anti-government world.

"My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years," he says, "to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010514/dreyfuss


So sorry. I had one friend "out" himself as a right wing nut job. Haven't spoken with him since. And that's after "finding each other" again after 18 years.

[laureloak]

16. Sound like you need to get a recruiter to contact him. n/t

[left is right]

17. We could alleviate the need for oversees oil here

We could alleviate the need for oversees oil here by drilling but all the bug and tree lovers will never let that happen.

I seem to recall that the oil companies didn't want the expense of the drilling. They could make a greater profit by purchasing from OPEC

[Mr_Spock]

19. From sick minds come sick thoguhts

These people are seriously deranged :(

[noahmijo]

20. AMAZING

So because the "treehuggers" won't let us drill all 30.4 billion barrels worth of oil..which would last how long taking into consideration exportation and actual producing it's okay to just slaughter a bunch of them brown people for their oil..

Sick fucks I can't believe they call themselves Americans and worse I can't believe the same soil that gave birth to me gave birth to sick inhuman bastards like this guy.

[liberaliraqvet26]

22. We should start a DU Singles forum...

it would be a big hit

[madeline_con]

23. You're better off without him. n/t

[SHRED]

26. Your right...

I think this person has many more lifetimes to struggle through.

[madeline_con]

36. Well put.

Many incarnations before reaching the rainbow bridge. ;)

[SHRED]

37. hug

:hug:

[sandnsea]

27. He thinks Bush wants to leave Iraq

If you care to, that's where you nail him. Because if Bush has the troops in Iraq to send a message to the world, then he can't very well pull them out, now can he.

So, either Bush has no long term plan to fight terrorism, or he's going to leave the troops in Iraq and is lying to us and the Iraqi people.

[SHRED]

29. he is hopelessly lost i think n/t

[sandnsea]

31. oh absolutely

Might makes right. Spank your kid. Execute criminals. Go to war. The end. I don't know what you do with these people.

[earth mom]

33. Shocking isn't it?

I had the same thing happen with someone I thought was a good, kind and compassionate person.

Until she starting spewing how evil democrats were.

So I let her have it via email right after Katrina hit while the REAL EVIL ONE-Duhbya-was letting the people in New Orleans die. :grr:

Hell yeah, it felt good to let her have it!!!

It's SO nice having the last word and being right... O8)

[McCamy Taylor]

38. Why not try a dialogue? Maybe he wants to be "lead." The antagonistic

tone is not one would adopt if one wanted to say "Leave me alone." He would do that by totally ignoring the political content of your post. I think he is egging you on, attempting to get you to think through some stuff you posted in your first email. (I dont have it here before me so I can only speculate about that).

I my experience, cutting off the lines of communication is seldom the most fruitful way to solve a problem.

[SHRED]

41. Here is what I wrote

It strarted with him ranting about Michael Moore and 'demoralizing' the troops.

I sent this:


What's demoralizing?
The part where Moore made a film about the reasons we shouldn't have trusted Bush or the fact that every day we find more evidence that Fahrenheit 911 wasn't such a far fetched piece of Hollywood after all?

I believe it is never OK to disrespect the troops especially before they head into battle. I believe that's the worst form of troop disrespect, and therefore the biggest knock to the US, is to lie in order to send them to die.

I believe that the most demoralizing thing to a combat troop has to be the idea that the person in charge of your ultimate fate on this earth has no clue what it is to be involved in the situation he so gleefully drops you into.

Sending the troops with no exit strategy and without equipment is demoralizing. The troops may think their government could care less about them when they are sent into a war zone that was badly planned, badly executed with no sight in end. Why would they think the government cares about them when they don't have the right equipment that could save their lives? Why would they think they care when they have to see to their own equipment through outside sources?
If that isn't demoralizing, I don't know what is.

I don't buy into your suggestion that speaking out against the war is somehow against the troops.
Many troops disagree with this President.
http://optruth.org/

If you can find one rational anti-war protester that doesn't wish for the safe return of our soldiers, regardless of when that is, I will help you kick their ass. It is a fallacy, they don't exist.

This 'war' was and is based on bogus intel.
Bush/Cheney witheld crucial intel that didn't fit their plan to attack. They deceived the American public and Congress in their haste to invade.
These facts are now and will be coming out more and more. Many of us had suspected this already. They had plans for this as soon as they took office and before. 9/11 gave them cover.

Bush himself said in Sept 2003, "We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the Sept. 11." Even though they hyped the bogus Al Qaeda link in the run up to war.

Harry Reid called a closed session of Congress today and forced the Republicans to uphold their promise to start Phase II of the investigation of the intel that led up to war. We are going to find out if real intel backed their speeches or not...finally.

The truth is starting to come out and the Plame leak was their critical mistake. You don't undermine the CIA and get away with it. The CIA asked the DOJ to investigate the leak as soon as Novak's column went out. This administration thought they could intimidate the CIA by leaking one of their agents. They fucked up. You don't do that to the CIA or our country.

It would take 400,000 troops, 3 years and an estimated 15,000 dead to just 'secure' Iraq.

Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield have 'knocked' and 'demoralized' our troops by sending them into a conflict with NO PLANS to secure the peace. They told the troops they would be welcomed with candy and flowers.

It's impossible to invade another country, kill thousands, many of them civilians, and then force our form of government on them. An occupying force will always be fought. It unifies them against us just like an armed foriegn government here would do to us.

I know a Marine there. He has confided in me that since the enlistment requirments were lowered, by Bush, to meet sagging recruitment goals, the morale has never been lower.
He wonders why he is there but does his job.
It is worse than the media lets on.

When you understand the hatred Osama bin Laden had for the secular Saddam Hussein, you understand that OBL was thrilled that we invaded Iraq. This broke Saddam's hold and now Osama and his religious fanatics, along with Iran, have a much broader influence over the region plus they use the occupation as a recruitment tool for the fanatics.

This President and this administration have demoralized our troops by sending them to their needless deaths and maimings.

The insanity that drove us to this war was created by a power-drunk greedy bunch of bastards.

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I am sure we will have to possibly agree to disagree on this one.
It is a bit "charged".

Try listening to KLSD 1360am. Just give it a week. There is a great deal of good info there.
I am not trying to convince you.

[SHRED]

43. Maybe he would like this Will Ferrell movie?

http://www.kintera.org/atf/cf/%7b06DAEF0E-9000-4422-B4DA-AFBAA10CAF60%7d/FERRELL_QT_HI.MOV

[Zenlitened]

44. "The US will not tolerate...terrorists.We will find them and destroy them"

Uh, yeah. Except for the guy who did 9/11. Remember him? Osama bin Laden?

Not found.

Not destroyed.

Bush let him walk away.

Fuck you, freepers.

[SHRED]

45. I JUST SENT THIS!!!

I suggest you get out of your 'comfy chair' and "lead" then in your 'pro-government' crap:

http://www.militaryenlist.com/army.htm

They will take you. Give it a try.

[SHRED]

46. Follow up HERE,,, it got "good"...I am STUNNED!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2219668&mesg_id=2219689

[The_Casual_Observer]

47. The "We have plenty of oil in the USA" myth.

Jesus, do people still listen to all night AM talk radio?

[alittlelark]

48. The US is one of the most 'resource -poor' countries on the planet.

but, hey... WE GOT NUKES and stuff.

[The_Casual_Observer]

49. and don't forget wheat, corn, soy beans.

and Poland.

[alittlelark]

50. I would NEVER forget POLAND!!!

... or the wheat, soybeans.........yada.