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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:27 PM
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Some facts on Closed Senate Session from Reid's office
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 03:32 PM by Skinner
Just got this email from Reid's office about 20 minutes ago.

There is no more important decision a country can make than going to war. Last Friday, we clearly saw the efforts and lengths this administration would go to shape our entry into this War. The Senate Democrats went into closed session today to get answers. Some facts below (and key facts on secret session).

Closed Senate Session

Most important decision a President makes is to put American lives at risk and go to war.

Many of us supported the decision to invade Iraq based on the national intelligence presented at the time.

Over the past few months, and vividly last Friday, weve learned that we were given bad information. Americans were intentionally deceived.

White House indictments confirm Republicans tried to silence critics and cover up the real intelligence.

America deserves answers. National security is at stake.

If mistakes were made, we need to know. Otherwise, we are doomed to repeat them.

Republicans committed to investigate how national intelligence was used to set the stage for war.

Now, they are refusing to keep that commitment. What are they afraid of America learning?

Republicans must come clean. It is our shared responsibility to be straight with the American people.

Stakes could not be higher. That is why we are demanding answers through an unprecedented closed Senate session.

We will not let up until America gets answers.

Together, America Can Do Better

KEY FACTS ON SECRET SESSIONS OF THE SENATE

Since 1929, the Senate has held 53 secret sessions, generally for reasons of national security.
For example, in 1997 the Senate held a secret session to consider the Chemical Weapons Convention (treaty).
In 1992, the Senate met in secret session to consider most favored nation trade status for China.
In 1988, a session was held to consider the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty and in 1983 a session was held on Nicaragua.
In 1942, a secret session was held on navy plans to build battleships and aircraft carriers, and in 1943 a secret session was held on reports from the war fronts.
Six of the most recent secret sessions, however, were held during the impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton.

SENATE RULES ON SECRET SESSIONS

During a secret session, the doors of the chamber are closed, and the chamber and its galleries are cleared of all individuals except Members and those officers and employees specified in the rules or essential to the session.

Standing Senate Rules 21, 29, and 31 cover secret sessions for legislative and executive business. Rule 21 calls for the Senate to close its doors once a motion is made and seconded. The motion is not debatable, and its disposition is made behind closed doors.

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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:30 PM
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1. Rules 21, 29, and 31 of the Senate
Standing Rules of The Senate
RULE XXI

SESSION WITH CLOSED DOORS

1. On a motion made and seconded to close the doors of the Senate, on the discussion of any business which may, in the opinion of a Senator, require secrecy, the Presiding Officer shall direct the galleries to be cleared; and during the discussion of such motion the doors shall remain closed.

2. When the Senate meets in closed session, any applicable provisions of rules XXIX and XXXI, including the confidentiality of information shall apply to any information and to the conduct of any debate transacted.

RULE XXIX

EXECUTIVE SESSIONS

1. When the President of the United States shall meet the Senate in the Senate Chamber for the consideration of Executive business, he shall have a seat on the right of the Presiding Officer. When the Senate shall be convened by the President of the United States to any other place, the Presiding Officer of the Senate and the Senators shall attend at the place appointed, with the necessary officers of the Senate.

2. When acting upon confidential or Executive business, unless the same shall be considered in open Executive session, the Senate Chamber shall be cleared of all persons except the Secretary, the Assistant Secretary, the Principal Legislative Clerk, the Parliamentarian, the Executive Clerk, the Minute and Journal Clerk, the Sergeant at Arms, the Secretaries to the Majority and the Minority, and such other officers as the Presiding Officer shall think necessary; and all such officers shall be sworn to secrecy.

3. All confidential communications made by the President of the United States to the Senate shall be by the Senators and the officers of the Senate kept secret; and all treaties which may be laid before the Senate, and all remarks, votes, and proceedings thereon shall also be kept secret, until the Senate shall, by their resolution, take off the injunction of secrecy.

4. Whenever the injunction of secrecy shall be removed from any part of the proceedings of the Senate in closed Executive or legislative session, the order of the Senate removing the same shall be entered in the Legislative Journal as well as in the Executive Journal, and shall be published in the Congressional Record under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate.

5. Any Senator, officer, or employee of the Senate who shall disclose the secret or confidential business or proceedings of the Senate, including the business and proceedings of the committees, subcommittees, and offices of the Senate, shall be liable, if a Senator, to suffer expulsion from the body; and if an officer or employee, to dismissal from the service of the Senate, and to punishment for contempt.

6. Whenever, by the request of the Senate or any committee thereof, any documents or papers shall be communicated to the Senate by the President or the head of any department relating to any matter pending in the Senate, the proceedings in regard to which are secret or confidential under the rules, said documents and papers shall be considered as confidential, and shall not be disclosed without leave of the Senate.



RULE XXXI

EXECUTIVE SESSION - PROCEEDINGS ON NOMINATIONS

1. When nominations shall be made by the President of the United States to the Senate, they shall, unless otherwise ordered, be referred to appropriate committees; and the final question on every nomination shall be, "Will the Senate advise and consent to this nomination?" which question shall not be put on the same day on which the nomination is received, nor on the day on which it may be reported by a committee, unless by unanimous consent.

2. All business in the Senate shall be transacted in open session, unless the Senate as provided in rule XXI by a majority vote shall determine that a particular nomination, treaty, or other matter shall be considered in closed executive session, in which case all subsequent proceedings with respect to said nomination, treaty, or other matter shall be kept secret: Provided, That the injunction of secrecy as to the whole or any part of proceedings in closed executive session may be removed on motion adopted by a majority vote of the Senate in closed executive session: Provided further, That any Senator may make public his vote in closed executive session.

3. When a nomination is confirmed or rejected, any Senator voting in the majority may move for a reconsideration on the same day on which the vote was taken, or on either of the next two days of actual executive session of the Senate; but if a notification of the confirmation or rejection of a nomination shall have been sent to the President before the expiration of the time within which a motion to reconsider may be made, the motion to reconsider shall be accompanied by a motion to request the President to return such notification to the Senate. Any motion to reconsider the vote on a nomination may be laid on the table without prejudice to the nomination, and shall be a final disposition of such motion.

4. Nominations confirmed or rejected by the Senate shall not be returned by the Secretary to the President until the expiration of the time limited for making a motion to reconsider the same, or while a motion to reconsider is pending unless otherwise ordered by the Senate.

5. When the Senate shall adjourn or take a recess for more than thirty days, all motions to reconsider a vote upon a nomination which has been confirmed or rejected by the Senate, which shall be pending at the time of taking such adjournment or recess, shall fall; and the Secretary shall return all such nominations to the President as confirmed or rejected by the Senate, as the case may be.

6. Nominations neither confirmed nor rejected during the session at which they are made shall not be acted upon at any succeeding session without being again made to the Senate by the President; and if the Senate shall adjourn or take a recess for more than thirty days, all nominations pending and not finally acted upon at the time of taking such adjournment or recess shall be returned by the Secretary to the President, and shall not again be considered unless they shall again be made to the Senate by the President.

7. (a) The Official Reporters shall be furnished with a list of nominations to office after the proceedings of the day on which they are received, and a like list of all confirmations and rejections.

(b) All nominations to office shall be prepared for the printer by the Official Reporter, and printed in the Congressional Record, after the proceedings of the day in which they are received, also nominations recalled, and confirmed.

(c) The Secretary shall furnish to the press, and to the public upon request, the names of nominees confirmed or rejected on the day on which a final vote shall be had, except when otherwise ordered by the Senate.

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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:35 PM
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3. Thanks, Walt and Skinner!
I have never been prouder to be a Dem.

So glad we have Harry as a leader. Please remember, he's got experience in leading filibusters. I look forward to hearing him read more chapters of his book in future Senate sessions.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 04:09 PM
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14. Hey Walt; seems Sen Reid heard your "Shut It Down"!!!
Peace.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 04:14 PM
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16. Frist looked scared
He tried to cover it with bluster but they all looked like they knew this issue(Iraq) was coming to a head and that they were in deep shit.Wonder what distraction will be used to try get it out of the papers.

Maybe there is some hope for our country afterall.This is the best Ive felt about our prospects in a long time.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 08:15 PM
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44. I thought he was gonna cry ... boohoo (nt)
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:43 PM
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34. Give em hell, Harry!
:kick:
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 07:03 PM
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39. Damn work. It looks like I missed something again
Secret sessions? Sounds so clandestine.

Thanks for the info.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:34 PM
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2. george just crapped his pants
dick is having a stroke

rove is having a panic attack


LET THE GAMES BEGIN !
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 04:48 PM
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21. freepers freaking out. Over 1000 posts in two hours.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:35 PM
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4. "Americans were intentionally deceived."
Git 'em!!!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:36 PM
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5. Skinner, can you pin this to the top of the two GDs? This is hot stuff!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:40 PM
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6. Oh happy day. Thank you, Skinner!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:43 PM
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7. Remember these numbers - 6 to 1. Clinton - Senate. Illegal War - Senate
The Senate went into six closed sessions to discuss Clinton. We have one closed session to discuss an illegal war.

An illegal war thanks to Roberts and the Repuplicans and professional war mongers extraordinaire - Cheney, Rumsfeld, many corporations, their stockholders, wall street, PNAC, Tri-Lateral Commission, Federalist Society, some military brass, some CIA brass, some State Dept brass, all of the NSC brass, and most of the media.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:43 PM
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8. Banging on my YARD Gong "YAY"
It sounds like a church bell.. 21 times today.... WHOO HOOO!




:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:44 PM
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9. Reid is setting the stage for impeachment. I can feel it. n/t
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:45 PM
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10. This looks very good!
Let's dare hope that Dems will now not give in on this.

:kick:

DemEx
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:48 PM
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11. Good news.
Perhaps there could be a GD: Iraqi War//Plame-neocon spy- intelligence manipulation scandal. It may be that these issues, all closely related, will be of great significance in the next 12 months.
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:51 PM
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12. Thanks, Skinner! (kick)
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:54 PM
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13. There are links to the forged Niger documents that are finally surfacing
Perhaps that triggered it.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 04:13 PM
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15. I feel so grateful today.
So grateful. :toast:
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 04:14 PM
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17. Do they contact you specificly, or do these emails go out to everyone?
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 04:41 PM
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18. Thank you Skinner . Looks like he upset some. Yeah!
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is currently on C-Span lambasting Reid and his leadership for this move, which Frist is calling sneaky and underhanded
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 07:12 PM
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42. Frist's exact words: "a slap in the face."
Couldn't happen to a more deserving person.
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:42 PM
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46. Pot. Kettle. Black.
god, that's cute. Real cute, Bill. :eyes:

darn, I missed all the activities today. Darn that ol' work. Drat.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:47 PM
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47. He only feels for himself.
Sad, isn't it? That he is more concerned about being disrespected, than concerned 2,023 soldiers have been killed in a fraudulent war?
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 04:44 PM
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19. Congress was lied to. Niger yellowcake and aluminum tubes were two main
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 04:45 PM by Garbo 2004
Administration claims, presented as solid intel, that led some of them to vote for IWR.

I recall that the Niger claims that Tenet said were dubious and shaky and not good enough to include in Bush's speech on Oct 7, 2002 (remember Tenet supposedly insisted they be taken out of the speech) were good enough, according to Seymour Hersh's sources as he reported long ago, for both Tenet and Colin Powell to present them to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in secret session two weeks previously in Sept 2002. This was while the IWR was pending in Congress.

In short, if Hersh's reporting was correct, Tenet and Powell presented the Niger yellowcake story and the aluminum tubes story as serious legit intel to the Committee in secret to scare them about Saddam's nuclear capability and justify passing the IWR. Yet at the same time Tenet was supposedly claiming that this important Niger info was too dubious to include in a public speech.

(And in Feb 2003, as they made sure we later would "know," Powell righteously refused to include the Niger yellowcake claim in his speech to the UN. Why? Because State's INR had been saying that the Niger claims were crap for over a year. But then, why did Powell present the Niger info as seriously legit intel to the Senate 5 months before while the IWR vote was pending?)

As we also "know," Tenet supposedly later didn't push hard enough or relented and allowed the Niger claim to be included in the State of the Union. Why? Was it because the Niger story had already served its real purpose?

By January 2003 the IWR had passed Congress and it didn't matter if it was exposed as bogus. Indeed within a month or so of the SOU speech, the IAEA weighed in and said it was crap. All a state dept rep would say, no doubt with a shrug of his shoulders was, "we were fooled." And that was a lie, as Joseph Wilson as much as asserted on CNN in March 2003.

When the Administration knowingly uses intel it knows is bogus to persuade the Congress to give the President the authority to go to war, that's grounds for impeachment, son.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 04:48 PM
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20. Go Reid Go! This is giving the issue the prominence it deserves!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 04:53 PM
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22. Thanks for this info on closed sessions. n.t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 04:57 PM
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MirrorAshes Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 05:02 PM
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24. enjoy your stay, its sure to be a short one.
ya freeper.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 05:06 PM
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25. Pity your Senate leader didn't know the rules
of procedure. He sure looked foolish ranting and raving in public and exposing his ignorance - unprecedented my ass :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 05:08 PM
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26. Someone sounds a bit panicky.
:rofl:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 05:22 PM
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29. I love the smell of Freeper FEAR....smells like victory!
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:45 PM
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36. Give the FReeper a medal -- or at least a badge
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 05:08 PM
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27. bye bye
:hi:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #23
28. Nice try, roflmao!
Your post is a hoot, smacks mightily of desparation, I wonder why?


:rofl:
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Citizen Jane Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 05:23 PM
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30. Thanks!!!
I finally got to see one of those Freeper posts y'all are always talking about BEFORE it got yanked!!!

:popcorn:
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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 05:42 PM
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31. I missed it!!
:woohoo: OH WELL :woohoo:
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:09 PM
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32. Owned!

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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:42 PM
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33. What's the advantage of the secret sessions? Why are they there? nt
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:45 PM
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35. Don't wish to be critical in a negative way, but Senator Reid
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 06:46 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
might have mentioned that the American tax-payer pays a fortune each year, precisely to fund the highly professional and dedicated intelligence-gathering work of the CIA. To dismiss the advice of its experts, in favour of people who were evidently no more qualified or apt for the task than a Roswell trekkie, seems completely surreal.
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DaytonOHDem Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:58 PM
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37. Great job, Harry!
Skinner thank you so much for letting us know that the Repugs used this six times when they were going after Clinton. I will gladly let my brother know when he brings this up. I am really starting to love Harry Reid.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:59 PM
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38. Thanks, David...can anyone get on Harry's mailing list?
:D
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 07:07 PM
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40. What a beautiful day!!!
Thanks Skinner for sharing this.



Peace




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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 07:08 PM
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41.  Thanks, Skinner
Today was another great day for our side. And the 12 days of Fitzmas continue.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 07:31 PM
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43.  **VIDEO CLIPS on Senate CLOSED SESSION and the PHASE II INVESTIGATION**
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 08:26 PM
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45. A most enjoyable day, Sen. Reid kicking, soon to be citizen frist
right square in the NUTS, then the howling began.
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