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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:16 PM
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I think this Saddam trial is a ruse to get him out of the way
Think about it. First he isn't being tried for gassings or any major war crimes, just a relatively minor 1982 massacre. Of all his crimes, they picked only that. Also supposedly if he receives the death penalty, he'll be hung within 30 days of the verdict. Then the other crimes don't get tried.

Therefore that solves a problem for them. No more Saddam, no trials over things that might incriminate Poppy and Reagan. Don't want that getting out, so let's try him over something else, hang him, and get him out of the way.

I certainly won't shed any tears over the bastard, but this is just a cover up.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:43 PM
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1. legal lynching
that's what it is
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:46 PM
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3. Well, it's not like he doesn't deserve prosecution. . .n/t
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:00 PM
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5. it's not that he doesn't deserve prosecution
but lynching isn't prosecution. Hanging a guy for a minor crime compared to what he is guilty to is not only a miscarriage of justice but an insult to the families of the massacred...

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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:09 PM
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6. I agree.
I thought you meant something different.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:46 PM
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2. I thinks it's a distraction.
All the coverage.

But what I want to know, is if Saddam was such a bad man, then why can they only find one charge against him?

Not saying I think he was a good man, but it should raise eyebrows in the pro-war crowd.
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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:58 PM
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4. "ruse"
Talk about ruse -- we've already seen talk of UK and USA agents getting caught in the act of planting bombs. Now we hear of Indonesian agents planting the Bali bombs:


Sunday, October 16, 2005 -

An extraordinary documentary produced by Australian public television, "Inside Indonesia's War on Terrorism," will be rebroadcast again on Monday, October 17 at 1PM.

In the program which first aired on October 12, the blind, former President of Indonesia reportedly more trusted than any other official in the country - told SBS-TV Date-Line, Australias state-run public TV, that the horrendous Bali bombing, which killed more than 200 in Indonesia, was planned and carried out by Indonesian police or military personnel at the behest of Western powers.

The transcript has already reportedly been removed from the archives of the SBS, Australia's Special Broadcasting Services, but certain alternative Internet sites, apparently anticipating this, claim to have downloaded the transcript and have reproduced it in its entirety. One of them is, and the excerpt that follows is taking from its site. It features Abdurrahman Wahid, the former Indonesian president who has achieved an almost iconic status in that ordinarily peaceful but impoverished country.

Today is the third anniversary of the first Bali attack that saw 202 people killed, including 88 Australians. Abdurrahman Wahid now has questions about that attack as well. While some regard him as an eccentric, he is the former president and is often described as the conscience of the nation, revered by tens of millions of moderate Muslims. As such, he's one of only a few people publicly prepared to canvass the unthinkable - that Indonesian authorities may have had a hand in the Bali atrocity. He believes that the plan for the second, massive at the Sari Club, which caused the majority of casualties, was hatched way above the head of uneducated villagers like Amrozi.

ABDURRAHMAN WAHID: Amrozi was involved in the lighter bomb. That's a problem always. Even though I agree that he should be given a stiff punishment, but it doesn't mean that he is involved. No, no, no.

REPORTER: So you believe that the Bali bombers had no idea that there was a second bomb?

ABDURRAHMAN WAHID: Yeah, precisely.

REPORTER: And who would you suggest planted the second bomb?

ABDURRAHMAN WAHID: Well, it looks like the police.

REPORTER: The police?

ABDURRAHMAN WAHID: Or the armed forces, I don't know.

Wahid's speculation is chilling and again there's no evidence to support it. But there's no doubt that he's a barometer of how many Indonesians view the whole terror campaign.

The news about the program's upcoming second broadcast was carried early Sunday morning eastern standard time by, the powerful, alternative Internet news site denounced by the State Dept., along with some others, as unreliable and symptomatic of Net disinformation.

But the State Dept. will have to work hard to explain what may become the most momentous Jaccuse since Frances Dreyfus Affair.

Rense.Com described the program as follows, In this documentary, which is described as the world's most explosive expose of International Intelligence Agencies ops and cover-ups, the former president of Indonesia (who Australians describe as the only honest high-level Indonesian politician), disclosed that the Indonesian police or military are behind the Bali bombings. Also in this program, Indonesian journalists and researchers state, unequivocally, that 'Moslem terrorists organizations' DO NOT EXIST as portrayed by the government - that they are created and coordinated to act by military-connected provocateurs. They further claim that the Indonesian military is totally corrupt and that Generals and politicians are pocketing vast hordes of money they receive to 'fight terrorism' - 'terrorism' which, in fact, they are creating themselves."

The Australian ( carried an analysis of the program from which the following is excerpted:

The program claims a key figure behind the formation of terror group Jemaah Islamiah was an Indonesian spy. Former terrorist Umar Abduh, who is now a researcher and writer, told Dateline Indonesian authorities had a hand in many terror groups. 'There is not a single Islamic group either in the movement or the political groups that is not controlled by (Indonesian) intelligence,' he said. Abduh has written a book on Teungku Fauzi Hasbi, a key figure in Jemaah Islamiah (JI) who had close contact with JI operations chief Hambali and lived next door to Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Bashir. He says Hasbi was a secret agent for Indonesia's military intelligence while at the same time a key player in creating JI. Security analyst John Mempi told SBS that Hasbi, who was also known as Abu Jihad, had played a key role in JI in its early years. Another terrorism expert, George Aditjondro, said a bombing in May this year that killed 23 people in the Christian village of Tentena, in central Sulawesi, had been organised by senior military and police officers. 'This is a strategy of depopulating an area and when an area has been depopulated both becoming refugees or becoming paramilitary fighters then that is the time when they can invest their money in major resource exploitation there,' he said."

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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:14 PM
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7. Even the Iraqi people know it's a U.S. staged farce.
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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 05:50 PM
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8. staging
Many Iraqis know it, but not enough Americans do.

It is no secret that the US government staged the Gulf of Tonkin incident and that American vessels had not been attacked as reported by Robert McNamara. Thus, every American who died in Vietnam was killed by his own government. See the Pentagon Papers for further proof.

Since we have precedent to prove that the government is willing to kill its own citizens for corporate profits, the war for oil profits claim is highly plausible.

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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 05:53 PM
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9. Gee, ya think? n/t
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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 11:17 PM
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10. Stolen Cars used In "Terrorist Attacks"

Cars stolen in US used in suicide attacks

By Bryan Bender in Washington
October 4, 2005
The FBI's counterterrorism unit has launched a broad investigation of US-based theft rings after discovering some vehicles used in deadly car bombings in Iraq, including attacks that killed US troops and Iraqi civilians, were probably stolen in the United States, according to senior US Government officials.

The FBI's deputy assistant director for counterterrorism, Inspector John Lewis, said the investigation did not prove the vehicles were stolen specifically for car bombings in the Middle East, but there was evidence they were smuggled out of the US by organised criminal networks that included terrorists and insurgents.

Cracking the car-theft rings and tracing the cars could help identify insurgent leaders and shut down one of the means used to attack the US-led coalition and the Iraqi Government, the officials said.

The inquiry began after coalition troops raided a Falluja bomb factory last November and found a Texas- registered four-wheel-drive being prepared for a bombing mission. Investigators said there were several other cases where vehicles evidently stolen in the US wound up in Syria or other Middle Eastern countries and ultimately in the hands of Iraqi insurgent groups, including al-Qaeda in Iraq.

Investigators believed the cars were stolen by local car thieves in US cities, then smuggled to waiting ships at ports in Los Angeles, Seattle, and Houston, among other cities. Terrorism specialists said they believed Iraqi insurgents preferred American stolen cars because they tended to be larger, blended in more easily with US convoys, and were harder to identify as stolen.

If it is true that al-Qaeda or other "terrorists" are able to steal cars, elude police and the FBI, ship cars and not get caught by the Coast Guard, enter into landlocked Iraq either by helicopter, plane, or via Syria, how do they manage to escape notice from border police, Marines, checkpoints, and local Baghdad police???

One would think that if al-Qaeda or other "terrorists" are so interested in undermining the USA, they would explode those cars here and not in Iraq. Obviously, these stolen cars are under control by the CIA and used by UK and USA agents disguised as "Arab terrorists" in order to foment troubles which may ultimately lead to Bush's desired civil war in Iraq.

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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 11:32 PM
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11. Clearly, they want him silent on his Reagan-Bush years.
So, they put him on trial for this 1982 event, so they can overrule any talk about anything after that. They convict him, and kill him, so he can never speak on the nasty Reagan-Rummy-Bush sleaze.

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