This scares me more than Avian Flu and Al-Qaeda COMBINED:

[goodboy]

http://www.wallbuilders.com/


The Hidden Enemy Within. On A Mission to turn the United States of American into the X-Tian version of Iran or Afghanistan.

WallBuilders is an organization dedicated to presenting America's forgotten history and heroes, with an emphasis on the moral, religious, and constitutional foundation on which America was built—a foundation which, in recent years, has been seriously attacked and undermined. In accord with what was so accurately stated by George Washington, we believe that “the propitious smiles of heaven can never be expected on a nation which disregards the eternal rules of order and right which heaven itself has ordained.”


Why the Name "WallBuilders"?
In the Old Testament book of Nehemiah, the nation of Israel rallied together in a grassroots movement to help rebuild the walls of Jerusalem and thus restore stability, safety, and a promising future to that great city. We have chosen this historical concept of “rebuilding the walls” to represent allegorically the call for citizen involvement in rebuilding our nation’s foundations. As Psalm 11:3 reminds us, “If the foundations be destroyed, what shall the righteous do?”


Our Goal
WallBuilders’ goal is to exert a direct and positive influence in government, education, and the family by (1) educating the nation concerning the Godly foundation of our country; (2) providing information to federal, state, and local officials as they develop public policies which reflect Biblical values; and (3) encouraging Christians to be involved in the civic arena.

Educating the Nation
In the first part of this goal, we develop materials to educate the public concerning the periods in our country’s history when its laws and policies were firmly rooted in Biblical principles. As George Washington indicated in his famous “Farewell Address,” previous generations believed such elements were inseparable from America:

[SpiralHawk]

1. Firmly rooted in Christian values?

That's one little bit of the story.

Christians should remember that back in 1991 both houses Congress passed, and Poppy Bush signed, an Official Prolamation acknowledging that the founders of the USA were profoundly influenced in their diliberations and decisions by Native American traditions, especially those of the Lenape and Haudenausenee (Iroquois).

But the founders did ignore one crucial element of democracy that was common in Native societies -- the women. Women had no vote and no voice in the original USA, and it took sufferage for the Sisters to get any kind of a voice at all.

So these folks need to go back and re-think thier propaganda campaign. I'll bet they can get Poppy to consult, unless he is tied up in a Skull & Boner double-super-secret occult ACTIVITY of some description.

[goodboy]

10. Besides the fact the the Founding Fathers were almost polar opposite

in their view of religion and it's place in society and government as those X-tian Taliban freaks.

[malaise]

15. Will John Taylor's ideas re slavery

be part of the package. What about Willie Lynch's ideas? Lunatics are live and well.

[FreedomAngel82]

18. Oh yes

Gotta remember that part.

[goodboy]

26. right.

[mzteris]

2. David Barton is

a quack in the first degree.

He's a complete idiot on "history" and proven to just "make shit up".

Will the fundies listen, though. Nope. They LOVE Barton and think all the FF's were fundies just like them.

[goodboy]

12. Ironically, the Founding Fathers came here to get away from those wackjobs

[oxbow]

34. Good primer on Barton and the myth of the christian founders

Sects, Lies and Videotape
David Barton's Distorted History

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/boston1.htm

[William Seger]

35. Problem is...

... "conservatives" love their myths! That's why you'll never sway them with facts: it's part of the "conservative ideology" that common communal myths are necessary to hold society together -- facts be damned.

[oxbow]

36. In my experience, Some of them can be swayed by enough evidence

With others, you need to speak to the heart, not the head. Everybody is different.

[leeroysphitz]

40. These days conservitives can't be "convinced".

You can't change their minds. It's now to the point where they must be "de-programmed" as if they were brainwashed in a cult. (which in a sad way they pretty much are.)

[bluedawg12]

39. The Radicalright used the same lying tactic against gay's

there was a piece of trash pseudoscience paper that made the rounds from internet forums, to neonazigroups, to church groups- and the paper was allegedly written by a Catholic Apologists International- whose own web site contains similar pseudo science and hateful misinformation, written but never published in any journal, by a so called doctor.

I recently ran across that paper here in a discussion and started to look at the science and data they referenced- one important inflammatory hate filled gay bashing one came from a Ga. neo-nazi "Dr." again his clap trap was never published in any medical journal.

These intellectually lazy bigots get one lame assed paper and pass it around and the rest of the equally lazy followers believe the mis-information. Similarly, the so called historical quotes are often fabrication. Thanks to the internet the left has mobilized and now we have access to the truth and the lies come spilling out.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/founding.htm
>Christian nation" propagandist David Barton has issued a statement conceding that the following twelve quotations attributed to prominent historical figures are either false or at best questionable. WallBuilders' observations about the quotes are in parenthesis...<


>>“However combinations or associations... may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion. -Washington's Farewell Address 1796 <<

[TallahasseeGrannie]

3. What about this site

worries you more, say, than the 700 Club? Seems like the same old same old to me.

Creepy nevertheless.

[goodboy]

6. 700 Club is out there...what scares me about these groups is that they

fly under the radar...

[TallahasseeGrannie]

13. Yes, well it sure is the first time I ever heard of them.

[bobbieinok]

43. look around; probably a religious wrong church in your area is

showing one of Baron's videos or having a workshop

or people may be writing LTTEs using his 'info'

[sarcasmo]

4. Nominated. These nut job groups keep popping up out of nowhere.

I feel that this will be the norm if the Repukes get 8 more years after MR Danger. Time to get out the vote now instead of six months before the 08 election.

[politicaholic]

5. Don't they realize...

the more they force the issue of instilling their own religious values on everyone else the more their vision will slip out of their hands?

Why can't they just live the way they want to live, create like minded communities, and leave the rest of us happy heathens ALONE!

[goodboy]

8. What they don't realize is that contrary to their perverted view, our

Founding Fathers had seemingly quite the OPPOSITE idea about religion's place in society and government!

For example:

Thomas Jefferson:
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for is faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."

James Madison
"The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State." (1819).
"Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contrary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform" (Madison, Annals of Congress, 1789).

"Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?" (Madison, Memorial and Remonstrance)

"Because we hold it for a fundamental and undeniable truth, "that religion or the duty which we owe to our Creator and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence." The Religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man; and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate. " (ibid)

"How a regulation so unjust in itself, so foreign to the authority of Congress, and so hurtful to the sale of public land, and smelling so strongly of an antiquated bigotry, could have received the countenance of a committee is truly a matter of astonishment ." (Madison, 1785, letter to James Monroe, on a failed attempt by congress to set aside public funds to support churches)

[FreedomAngel82]

19. Try telling them that though

I've had this argument before. :eyes: It's really lame and sad. Earlier this year this girl in the college class at my church was talking about how people are trying to take God out of the country and whatnot. LOL.
I wanted to puke right there and speak up but didn't get to. :( Oy. These people are so ignorant on history. This is why you don't let the church teach children education.

[goodboy]

24. Doesn't make sense...they only have 6000 years of history to learn, not

billions like the rest of us!

;)

[SmokingJacket]

7. From the website of the fecund-loined JimBob Duggar...

I wish those jolly stories of his obscenely large family would include the information that the guy is a freaking theocratic zealot.

[goodboy]

9. A Freakin' Theocratic Zealot who's about to run for US Senate...

:puke:

[mzteris]

22. Look at the bright side

with that many kids, at least one is bound to be gay! :)

[goodboy]

28. maybe more, and at least ONE will get a DUI, or busted with drugs

I CANNOT WAIT!!!!!!!


Perhaps one of them will turn out to be like HIPPY JESUS!!!

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[GreenPartyVoter]

11. I get so tired of hearing these people whine. I really do.

The best values of the Christian faith are embodied by most people with a developed conscience, regardless of their beliefs.

but no, the fundies refuse to believe that. They have to be "specialer" to God than everyone else.

[goodboy]

14. You know what I love to point out, which really PISSES Fundie wackos off,

Jesus, the man was a Pacifist, Socialist long-haired hippy type like this: (which they hate)

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Not some Capitalist, War-monger, Fear-monger, HATE-monger, conservative tight-wad fuckstick like this:

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[GreenPartyVoter]

16. He wasn't precisely a pacifist, but he certainly didn't go out of his way

to fight with people.

The whole "turn the other cheek" thing is less about pacifism than about radical equality according to one interpretation.

"Jesus clarifies his meaning by three brief examples. "If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." Why the right cheek? How does one strike another on the right cheek anyway? Try it. A blow by the right fist in that right-handed world would land on the left cheek of the opponent. To strike the right cheek with the fist would require using the left hand, but in that society the left hand was used only for unclean tasks. As the Dead Sea Scrolls specify, even to gesture with the left hand at Qumran carried the penalty of ten days penance. The only way one could strike the right cheek with the right hand would be with the back of the hand.

What we are dealing with here is unmistakably an insult, not a fistfight. The intention is not to injure but to humiliate, to put someone in his or her place. One normally did not strike a peer in this way, and if one did the fine was exorbitant (four zuz was the fine for a blow to a peer with a fist, 400 zuz for backhanding him; but to an underling, no penalty whatever). A backhand slap was the normal way of admonishing inferiors. Masters backhanded slaves; husbands, wives; parents, children; men, women; Romans, Jews.

We have here a set of unequal relations, in each of which retaliation would be suicidal. The only normal response would be cowering submission. It is important to ask who Jesus' audience is. In every case, Jesus' listeners are not those who strike, initiate lawsuits, or impose forced labor. Rather, Jesus is speaking to their victims, people who have been subjected to these very indignities. They have been forced to stifle their inner outrage at the dehumanizing treatment meted out to them by the hierarchical system of caste and class, race and gender, age and status, and by the guardians of imperial occupation.

Why then does Jesus counsel these already humiliated people to turn the other cheek? Because this action robs the oppressor of power to humiliate them. The person who turns the other cheek is saying, in effect, "Try again. Your first blow failed to achieve its intended effect. I deny you the power to humiliate me. I am a human being just like you. Your status (gender, race, age, wealth) does not alter that. You cannot demean me." Such a response would create enormous difficulties for the striker. Purely logistically, how can he now hit the other cheek? He cannot backhand it with his right hand. If he hits with a fist, he makes himself an equal, acknowledging the other as a peer. But the whole point of the back of the hand is to reinforce the caste system and its institutionalized inequality."

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1216-30.htm

[goodboy]

25. interesting....I'd known there was a lot more to Jesus than what the

4 surviving Gospels described. It's a shame we don't have complete legible copies of the Gnostic Gospels. I think the Gospels of Thomas and Mary especially tell quite a different story about the man.

[GreenPartyVoter]

29. I need to read those sometime :^)

[goodboy]

31. Well, when you're ready, here you go:

www.earlychristianwritings.com/gnostics.html

Gnostics, Gnostic Gospels, & Gnosticism
A one-sentence description of Gnosticism: a religion that differentiates the evil god of this world (who is identified with the god of the Old Testament) from a higher more abstract God revealed by Jesus Christ, a religion that regards this world as the creation of a series of evil archons/powers who wish to keep the human soul trapped in an evil physical body, a religion that preaches a hidden wisdom or knowledge only to a select group as necessary for salvation or escape from this world.



The Gospel of Mary Magdalene has Taoist and Buddhist concepts presented in first century Christian Semantics.
Jesus is quoted as saying that "All natures, all formed things, all creatures exist in and with one another and will again be resolved into their own roots, because the nature of matter is dissolved into the roots of its nature alone."

Exerpt from the Gospel of Mary:
Peter said to Mary, "Sister, we know that the Savior loved you more than other women . Tell us the words of the Savior which you have in mind since you know them; and we do not, nor have we heard of them."

Mary answered and said, "What is hidden from you I will impart to you." And she began to say the following words to them. "I," she said, "I saw the Lord in a vision and I said to him, 'Lord, I saw you today in a vision.' He answered and said to me, 'Blessed are you, since you did not waver at the sight of me. For where the mind is, there is your countenance' . I said to him, 'Lord, the mind which sees the vision, does it see it through the soul or through the spirit?' The Savior answered and said, 'It sees neither through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind, which is between the two, which sees the vision, and it is...'"



(Exerpt from the Gospel of Thomas)
(3) Jesus said: If those who lead you say to you: See, the kingdom is in heaven, then the birds of the heaven will go before you; if they say to you: It is in the sea, then the fish will go before you. But the kingdom is within you, and it is outside of you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will know that you are the sons of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty, and you are poverty.

[goodboy]

32. Well, when you're ready, here you go:

www.earlychristianwritings.com/gnostics.html

Gnostics, Gnostic Gospels, & Gnosticism
A one-sentence description of Gnosticism: a religion that differentiates the evil god of this world (who is identified with the god of the Old Testament) from a higher more abstract God revealed by Jesus Christ, a religion that regards this world as the creation of a series of evil archons/powers who wish to keep the human soul trapped in an evil physical body, a religion that preaches a hidden wisdom or knowledge only to a select group as necessary for salvation or escape from this world.



The Gospel of Mary Magdalene has Taoist and Buddhist concepts presented in first century Christian Semantics.
Jesus is quoted as saying that "All natures, all formed things, all creatures exist in and with one another and will again be resolved into their own roots, because the nature of matter is dissolved into the roots of its nature alone."

Exerpt from the Gospel of Mary:
Peter said to Mary, "Sister, we know that the Savior loved you more than other women . Tell us the words of the Savior which you have in mind since you know them; and we do not, nor have we heard of them."

Mary answered and said, "What is hidden from you I will impart to you." And she began to say the following words to them. "I," she said, "I saw the Lord in a vision and I said to him, 'Lord, I saw you today in a vision.' He answered and said to me, 'Blessed are you, since you did not waver at the sight of me. For where the mind is, there is your countenance' . I said to him, 'Lord, the mind which sees the vision, does it see it through the soul or through the spirit?' The Savior answered and said, 'It sees neither through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind, which is between the two, which sees the vision, and it is...'"



(Exerpt from the Gospel of Thomas)
(3) Jesus said: If those who lead you say to you: See, the kingdom is in heaven, then the birds of the heaven will go before you; if they say to you: It is in the sea, then the fish will go before you. But the kingdom is within you, and it is outside of you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will know that you are the sons of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty, and you are poverty.

[FreedomAngel82]

21. Yep

They need to read through Matthew chapter six.

[FreedomAngel82]

17. They're in for a big surprise

They have enemies inside too. As a liberal Christian I will fight them to my death bed before I let them do that crap to my country.

[newswolf56]

20. As somebody who spent a lot of time in the Bible-belt South,

also someone who knows about the plague of (unarmed) Back-to-the-Land communes burned out nationwide by Christian Vigilantes during the late 1960s and early 1970s, I've seen the absolute savagery of Christian Fundamentalism firsthand: remember that one of the more genteel Southern euphemisms for the Ku Klux Klan is "the Saturday night men's Bible-study class."

I've also seen how Fundamentalism works hand-in-glove with capitalism; the Appalachian mine workers didn't win their unionization campaigns until they made it clear they would deal the union-hating Fundamentalist preachers the same gun-muzzle justice they dealt the rest of the mine operators' union-busting thugs.

Elsewhere in the South -- thanks to the preachers -- the fear of God remains stronger than the horror of poverty: hence for example the non-unionized and viciously exploited textile-mill workers of the Southern flatlands.

All of which has two points: (1), that Fundamentalism is becoming so strong precisely because capitalism loves it as the one sure way to guarantee the unchallenged exploitation of the workers, and that (2), our warnings against Fundamentalism have no impact at all precisely because the capitalist (and therefore Fundamentalist-supporting) media guarantees all such warnings are suppressed -- that the general public will never become alarmed until it's far too late.

Some of us -- myself included -- have been warning against the Fundamentalist threat for decades, all to no avail.

[goodboy]

23. WONDERFUL POST!!!! THANK YOU!!! EVERYONE READ HIS POST!

[malaise]

30. From Columbus landed

it has been an exchange of the bible for our land.

[McCamy Taylor]

27. Rebuttal to the Wallbuilders from William Blake:

William Blake is a must read for anyone who despises the Fundies. He is still numero uno as far as I am concerned when it comes to pointing out the hypocrisy of those who use Christ to prop up King and Country. Note that William Blake was all for the American Revolution even though he was British, even wrote a poem "America" saluting the revolution.

However, the poem in which he really lambasts the fundies is "Urizen". The title refers to his boogie-man, the Big Bad Boy Diety of the Fundies, the Old Testemant Jehovah who will smite you down if you do not award no-bid contracts to Halliburton. Note that Urizen also means "Your Reason". In Blake's scheme of things, the Fundie church suppresses mystical experience or personal interpretation of the diety , because this would lead to multiplicity of thought and free thinking. Instead, spirituality becomes a science in which A plus B equals C, where C is always equal to whatever is best for those in power.

Here are a few quotes from the poem.

"Lo, a shadow of horror is risen

In eternity! Unknown, unprolific,

Self-clos'd, all-repelling: what Demon

Hath-from'd this abominable void,

This soul-shudd'ring vacuum? Some said

'It is Urizen.'



"'Here, alone, I, in books form'd of metals,

Have written the secrets of wisdom,

The secrets of dark contemplation,

By fighting and conflicts dire

With terrible monsters Sin-bred

Which the bosoms of all inhabit;

Seven deadly sins of the soul.

Lo! I unfold my darkness, and on

This rock place with strong hand the Book

Of eternal brass, written in my solitude...

One command, one joy, one desire,

One curse, one weight, one measure,

One King, One God, One Law.'"

[Maraya1969]

33. It won't work. The founding fathers did not say the things they are

trying to impress people with. They are building there wall on a house of sand, (hey that's from the Bible!).

Besides Christianity is one of the slowest moving religions in this country and I bet these types of Freakos are the reason. By 2025 or 2050 the US will not have a majority of Christians. They will probably still be the largest religion but they will constitute less than 50% of the people. And Islam is the fastest growing religion so maybe we should be more concerned about our grandchildren having to bow to Mecca in school rather that use the words "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Maybe they are barking so loud now because they believe they are a sinking ship. Which they are.

[bluedawg12]

37. Here is some info. debunking them- he's a small time

intellectual light weight looking for his piece of the theofascist

money making machine.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/founding.htm
>We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God...So said James Madison"<

and then he lied about the quote!

After the quote was picked up by the MSM and the likes of Limpbags- it turns out that wallbuilders founder had to retract it as untrue...go this web site exposing the hackery.


Also check out this importnat web site that stuies and exposes the inteconnection between RW groups and the billionaires who love and fnd them.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/index.php

[bluedawg12]

38. cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will subvert the people

Holy sweet neoconnivers, George Washingotn's farewell address was beautiful. Thanks to the crack pot wallbangers I was motivated to read it, here are snips from Yale Law School' version - it worth linking to have a look at the whole document- I had no idea the founding fathers were so brilliant.


http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/washing.htm
The Avalon Project at Yale Law School
Washington's Farewell Address 1796

Warning about an over- strong military:

>Hence, likewise, they will avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty. <


The constitution Is a living document

>The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government...But the Constitution which at any time exists, till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole people, is sacredly obligatory upon all. <


Beware of would be dictators and theocrats!

>All obstructions... with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency ... the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion. <

[bobbieinok]

41. Barton has probably spoken in your area....a list of his false quotes

http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/founding.htm

....

For nearly 10 years, the Texas propagandist has traveled the country, putting on programs about America's alleged "Christian heritage" at fundamentalist churches and other venues. During these events, Barton argued that the separation of church and state is a myth foisted on the country by the Supreme Court 50 years ago. The United States, he insisted, was founded by Christians and was intended to be a fundamentalist-style "Christian nation."

What was Barton's proof for these claims? Many of the quotations he now admits are groundless! At least nine of the 12 were included in Barton's 1989 book, The Myth of Separation, and appeared in the video version, "America's Godly Heritage." Barton was so enamored of one quote supposedly uttered by Benjamin Franklin ("Whosoever shall introduce into the public affairs the principles of primitive Christianity will change the face of the world.") that it was included on a biographical sketch WallBuilders distributes about Barton, saying it "fully sums up what David believes and teachers." Barton now admits the quote is "questionable" and recommends people don't use it.

Alley finds Barton's reliance on phony history disturbing. "It's one thing to get up and make a speech and allude to something that isn't there, but when you have somebody parading a document in a book and that turns out to be an outright lie, it's more dangerous," Alley told Church & State magazine. "The danger is that people will find credibility in what he does largely because he represents himself in that mode. He's a double fraud."

Continued Alley, "For Barton to withdraw these quotes is fine, but that doesn't change the fact that they were wrong to begin with."

Barton's "Questionable Quotes" sheet tries to minimize the importance of the use of phony material. "Inevitably, the quotes will continue to be heard at the 'popular' level," reads the introduction. "Fret not; the sun will still rise. But at the scholarly level, please refrain from, or at least be cautious in, using any quotation that cannot be authenticated. Thank you for purifying your own waters in the world's rhetorical rivers."

In fact, much damage to Americans' understanding of their own history has already been wrought by these fake quotes. As Barton himself notes in promotional materials, "Many people have used quotes from our videos in writing 'Letters to the Editor' or sharing information with friends or public of officials." They have appeared incessantly in both right-wing and mainstream media and have been paraded about by conservative columnists and talk radio programs across the nation. On October 7, 1992, former U.S. Rep. William Dannemeyer of California, a staunch ally of the Religious Right, read the phony Madison quote into the Congressional Record. Millions of people may have been misled by this false information, only a tiny fraction of whom will ever see Barton's "correction."

more....

[bobbieinok]

42. Bush campaign hired Barton in 2004

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/154/story_15469_1.html

Deborah Caldwell

The Republican National Committee is employing the services of a Texas-based activist who believes the United States is a “Christian nation” and the separation of church and state is “a myth.”

David Barton, the founder of an organization called Wallbuilders, was hired by the RNC as a political consultant and has been traveling the country for a year--speaking at about 300 RNC-sponsored lunches for local evangelical pastors. During the lunches, he presents a slide show of American monuments, discusses his view of America’s Christian heritage -- and tells pastors that they are allowed to endorse political candidates from the pulpit. Barton, who is also the vice-chairman of the Texas GOP, told Beliefnet this week that the pastors' meetings have been kept “below the radar.... We work our tails off to stay out of the news.” But at this point, he says, with voter registration ended in most states and early voting already under way, staying quiet about the activity “doesn’t matter.”

Barton’s main contention is that the separation of church and state was never intended by the nation’s founders; he says it was created by the Supreme Court in the 20th Century. The back cover of his 1989 book, “The Myth of Separation,” proclaims: “This book proves that separation of church and state is a myth.” Barton is also on the board of advisers of the Providence Foundation, a Christian Reconstructionist group that advocates America as a Christian nation. (Click here for an explanation of Reconstructionism.)

more (with links)....

[zippy890]

44. AARRGGH

I agree with you, this is scarier than any external threat from terrorists or bird flu

christian fascists are going to ruin this country
:scared: