Further proof that I was wrong in my inital reaction to the Minutemen

[Walt Starr]

I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong about something, and man, was I EVER wrong about these assholes.

Thanks to DU for waking me up to them initially. Further research on my own only reinforced and, to my horror, showed how utterly racist they are.

This is perhaps the most damning bit on the racism of the bastards I've found to date. It's the history of the group:

http://www.buildingdemocracy.org/shellgames.pdf

[in_cog_ni_to]

1. I knew you'd come around...sooner or later.

:hug: They are nothing but a bunch of hateful racists who have been foaming at the mouth to show it. Glad to hear you see them for what they really are. :hug:

[liberalhistorian]

2. Now let's see if we can get the rest of

the country to see them for what they really are as well!

[hiley]

3. they are

racist and somewhat frightening.
thanks for the link.

[Craig3410]

4. And my mother thinks these are "good people"

She votes Democrat, but she is in the MAJORLY wrong here.

I think I'll send this to her; maybe she'll realize that if ideas like this were hatched by the fucking KKK, she'll change her mind.

[Walt Starr]

8. That's why I wanted to start a thread on it

I wnated the link to be out there for fellow DUers to use.

[ComerPerro]

5. Dang, Walt. That thread title says it all.

Thanks for the link

[Beaverhausen]

6. Do you watch "The West Wing"?

They are doing a very interesting take on the whole "minuteman" situation.

[hiley]

7. I have known Joe McCutchen most of my

life..
asshole that he is.
From Media Matters

Christian Science Monitor failed to note Minuteman Project volunteer's white supremacist ties

In a May 2 article chronicling the Minuteman Project's efforts to patrol a portion of the U.S.-Mexico border, The Christian Science Monitor described Minuteman volunteer Joe McCutchen as "a retired pilot" who donated his time and money to man a lookout post on the Arizona/Mexico border eight hours a day for two weeks. But the article's portrayal of a man dedicated to the Minuteman "vigil" -- spending "14 days in a folding chair, buffeted by wind storms, face-cutting sand, freezing cold, and scorching sun" -- failed to include information that seems relevant to his motivation: his connection to two white supremacist organizations.

Monitor staff writer Daniel B. Wood quoted McCutchen describing "a new sense of compassion for the illegals who are being exploited by both countries," but Wood did not report McCutchen's association with the Council of Conservative Citizens and American Renaissance, despite a January 27 Associated Press report exposing these ties.

The Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), which the Southern Poverty Law Center calls the "successor of the old White Citizens Council," listed McCutchen as a member in a 2001 CCC publication. While McCutchen has denied that he was ever a member, he does not deny that he spoke on a panel at a 2001 anti-immigration forum CCC held in North Carolina, as the AP reported. The Southern Poverty Law Center has noted that the CCC has described blacks as "a retrograde species of humanity." CCC's national website currently features an article titled "David Yeagley speaks on miscegenation," in which Yeagley states that "Love of race is the only 'saving grace' left in the world" and calls for an end to further mixing of the races. The site also features an advertisement for "White Pride T-Shirts," with CCC listing the t-shirt group as a sponsor.

McCutchen has lobbied for anti-immigrant legislation proposed by Arkansas state senator Jim Holt, but Holt said he plans to
snip---
http://mediamatters.org/items/200505040001

[hiley]

9. Arkansas immigration lobbyist tied to alleged hate groups

White Supremacist heads Protect Arkansas Now
by godless Thursday January 27, 2005 at 02:58 AM


The wonderful folks who brought us Prop 200 are taking their message across this great land of ours, starting with Arkansas. And they've got even more white supremacists to help them out!

Arkansas immigration lobbyist tied to alleged hate groups

January 27, 2005, 6:56 AM

LITTLE ROCK

Ark. (AP) -- A leading hate-group tracker says Joe McCutchen of Fort Smith, a self-described "one-man band against illegal immigration" who is now lobbying for a bill in the Arkansas Legislature, has ties to allegedly racist organizations.

Sens. Jim Holt, R-Springdale, and Denny Altes, R-Fort Smith, on Wednesday filed the proposed Arkansas Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act. The measure would require stricter proof of citizenship for voter registration and forbid public assistance for non-citizens unless mandated by the federal government. The bill also requires state and local authorities to report illegal aliens to federal immigration officials.

Holt introduced McCutchen on Friday as the head of Protect Arkansas Now, a lobbying group modeled after Protect Arizona Now, the lobbyists for a similar immigration law in Arizona that passed by referendum last November.

McCutchen denied Southern Poverty Law Center's claims Wednesday that he was a member of the Council of Conservative Citizens, but acknowledged that he wrote about his campaign to tighten immigration laws in the February 2000 edition of "American Renaissance," identified as a "hate sheet" by the racism watchdog group.

snip---

McCutchen spread much of his anti-Abraham, immigration-limiting message by flying a sign-toting plane over Michigan and Michigan State football games. At the time, Abraham was a leading proponent of expanding entry visas to foreign high-tech workers. McCutchen said Wednesday that the Arab-American politician's work against immigration-limiting measures had helped the country become "a third-world dumping ground."

http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2005/01/24616.php

[Catherine Vincent]

39. This McCutchen fella calls into CSPAN all the time and the moderators

just love him. I think I may send that link from Walt to CSPAN.

edited to add: I'll include your link also, Hiley. Since CSPAN is crazy about McCutchen.

:hi:

[hiley]

41. it freaks me out

cause many, many people love him..
He writes LTE constantly in our paper
and it is almost always crazy stuff.

[Walt Starr]

43. It is incredibly freaky he'd be accepted in the "mainstream"

like being a regular caller on cSPAN and the idiots there actually liking his racist ass!

[hiley]

47. Perhaps it can be explained

by his wealth..
maybe.
He used to be a Pharmacist, starting out with one Pharmacy. Soon he owned a chain, I can not remember how many but quite a few.
His son Joey is a pretty big attorney here in Fort Smith, Ar. and Northwest Arkansas.
Joe McCutchen is on talk radio all of the time.. He is a frickin' hero to people who are "all about the borders and immigration."
Usually he parces his words very carefully you know right on the line as to not get in too much trouble.
He is extremely smart, wrong but smart, racist too of course.

[Tsiyu]

10. Sweet that you can be so contrite

The mark of a "real" star

Not to change the subject, but how is your garden growing?

[Walt Starr]

11. Harvested probably thirty pounds of tomatoes

Lots of onions, carrots, and peppers, too.

The Brussels Sprouts should be ready as soon as we get a frost.

[jim3775]

12. The Minutemen freak me out, I have a bad feeling one day...

something horrible is going to happen. Something along the lines of the murders James Byrd or Matthew Shepard.

[knowbody0]

13. they should concentrate their energy

on the slave labor shops that hire them at sub humann pay.

[Walt Starr]

16. tha'ts what I've advocated from the beginning

Hiring illegal aliens is definitely a crime that deserves a mandatory minimum sentence.

[NervousRex]

14. Ice cubes in Hades...

today. Have you changed your opinion on SUV's, yet?...50 mile commutes?...or plopping your resource gobbling homestead down in the middle of wildlife habitat for you personal enjoyment? I am sorry that you are broken hearted at discovering that the brownshirt "Minutemen" are not the middle-class suburban knights you thought they were.

[Walt Starr]

15. Um, you never followed those threads, obviously

I saw what they were realtively early into that mess.

My 50 mile commutes are accommodated via a train, thankyouverymuch.

My SUV stays. In fact, I'll probably trade it in on a newer model next year. Probably one of the new hybrid SUVs. But an SUV is an absolute must.

And your bullshit about my house is laughable at best.

You don't know me, but you relish attacking me.

How...telling of your motivations. I see you.

[Name removed]

19. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Walt Starr]

23. What a crock of shit

You don't know me. You blow bullshit out your ass and dress it up as socialist bullshit.

I see you.

[NervousRex]

30. You claim...

I don't know you...but somehow, you know me...HMMMM, how is that? I have never advocated, to you, the worker ownership of the means of production, so how do you "know me" and throw the "socialist" label around without looking like an ass? Keep saying you know me, and dismissing what I say...Anyone who challenges you is bombarded with "fecal" allusions, but little substance. Your perspective is weak....convince me.

[Kingshakabobo]

17. What, are you 5 years old?

The guy admits his mistake and you have to drudge up old shit and make personal attacks.

No class.

[NervousRex]

20. A voice from the Peanut Gallery?

Let the man defend himself....And the irony of accusing me of making a personal attack while doing it yourself is lost on you.

[Walt Starr]

25. You did make a personal attack

I see you and know you for what you are.

[Kingshakabobo]

28. Not lost on me.

It's a public forum, nit-wit, so expect voices from the peanut gallery.

[NervousRex]

34. Nit-Wits...

of the world Unite!...They are a helluva lot more interesting than "me too" groupie rantings.

[Name removed]

29. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[NervousRex]

33. Brilliant!

And I stand proudly for all of the beer drinking losers of the world....from NE Wisconsin, the cold, sticky armpit of the nation....Your point?

[AX10]

18. I'm going to save this post.

:kick:

Border security is important and we must be aggressive in securing our borders, but the minutemen have no right to do what they are doing. The minute"men" are just racists who want to make America a "white only" nation.

[Balbus]

21. Stick with the racist issue...

To say they "have no right" is completely and utterly wrong.

[Walt Starr]

27. The document I linked to is what should be saved.

That's the only important hting about this thread.

[hiley]

35. The only important thing about this thread!

edit to say whatever.

[Walt Starr]

36. Uh,...that WAS the document I linked to

WTF???

:wtf:

The document I linked to was how the Minutmen rose out of the KKK.

I don't get WTF you're talking about.

[hiley]

37. and you never would

because you wouldn't bother to try would you, Walt?
I tried to tell you about one of the main characters Joe McCutchen.
See I have know him personally since I was a very young kid long ago.
Guess there are no other links on the thread huh?

[Walt Starr]

38. I apologize. I missed your other post and your link is incredibly valuable

Again, I apologize.

[hiley]

40. Walt, I except your apology.

I was starting to think you were going to ignore me just because we disagreed on the Peace March.
Thank you for answering me, I just wanted everyone to understand how ingrained and shameful the minutemen are.
The power that Joe McCutchen holds in Arkansas and around this Country is unbelievable.
He is a frequent caller on CSPAN I hear for many years.
Joe McCutchen is very well connected and very "Conservative Republican" but hates George Bush.

[Catherine Vincent]

42. He hates GWB? Is it because of immigration?

I never got that impression from his calls. I'll have to pay more attention the next time.

[hiley]

49. Oh yes, he wants him impeached like YESTERDAY!

I feel creepy when I actually agree with him on something!

SOVEREIGNTY SLIPPING AWAY


You feel insulated against the illegal Mexican and "other than Mexican" invasion? Are they coming here to be good citizens and embrace American culture? Think again. In five years, not 20, if this pattern continues, our nation will be Balkanized and civil unrest will prevail.


Leading the charge are the American Civil Liberties Union, Anti-Defamation League, Southern Poverty Law Center, American Jewish Congress and others; they fuel open borders and multi-culturalism. Their goal is to destroy middle-class America. They have no legal standing in their assault on America, but effectively suppress public discourse by hurling racial incendiaries — white supremacist, anti-Semite, racist — and certainly controlling the Congress.


NAFTA was the first nail; Central American Free Trade Area was the second of four nails in the coffin to destroy American sovereignty. Free Trade Area of the Americas is the third. Bush's "Americans for Border and Economic Security" is the fourth in a five-year plan to dissolve our national borders. All this is under the grand lies of "free trade" and "security."


Bush's corporate cronies pay $50,000 to $250,000 each to implement the plan, coupled with amnesty for 20 million to 30 million illegals.


Re: Booming northwest Arkansas. Forty percent of adults receiving emergency food assistance are employed; more than 18,000-plus children are enrolled in free lunch programs. There are more than 1,000 new students in Springdale this year; are they legal?


Criminals Bush, Huckabee and Congress are destroying middle-class America by overt and covert activities.


For a dose of reality, visit the Fort Smith Boozman/INS/ICE headquarters at 4943 Old Greenwood Road — early mornings — and witness the invaders receiving benefits.


Why aren't the politicians and policing agencies protecting American taxpayers from illegals and their employers?


Joe McCutchen


Fort Smith

http://www.swtimes.com/letters_to_the_editor/09-29-05

[Catherine Vincent]

51. Thanks Hiley.

Normally these conservatives would be drinking the kool-aid but immigration trumps that. What fear.

[hiley]

54. I am trying to find links to him calling for the Impeachment

of Bush.
Heard him on a closer look I think back a few months listening about NG.
His son and him have a new deal going now..

Patriots,
Joe and Joey McCutchen are putting together a radio ad campaign with a local ad agency to inform the Arkansas public about Senate Bill 206 to be introduced by state Senator Jim Holt. The bill is based on Arizona Prop. 200 which required proof of citizenship to vote and denies "benefits" to illegals other than those mandated by the federal government. They plan to run the ads in the Little Rock and Fort Smith markets, and probably N.W. Arkansas. They are footing the bill.
snip--
http://www.pan2005.com/arkansas.html

Efforts against illegals broaden
By Stephen Dinan-THE WASHINGTON TIMES


Immigration-control activists announced a bill to crack down on benefits available to illegal aliens in Arkansas, the first in what is expected to be a wave of initiatives and bills following the success of a similar proposition in Arizona in November's election. Arkansas state Sen. Jim Holt yesterday said he will sponsor a bill in the legislature this year to deny benefits and inhibit the ability of illegal immigrants to register and vote. And state resident Joe McCutchen promised to lead a grass-roots effort to support the bill. Mr. McCutchen said he thinks it's up to citizens to take action on illegal immigration. "If our republic's to be saved, we'd better," he said. "It's obvious the president has no intention to secure the borders, and I think this is by design. I think they're dedicated to destroying the sovereignty and heritage and culture of this nation for their own purpose, whatever that may be."
http://www.pan2005.com/articles.html

This link is the show where Joe McCutchen is calling for Bush Impeachment. April 11, 2005
1st Hour:: Michael Corbin interviews Joe McCutchen, a volunteer with the Minuteman Project in Arizona. Joe brings us an update of activities occurring on the border with the Minuteman Project.
http://www.4acloserlook.com/april2005.html

The Minutemen totally freak me out and listening to them you have to realize just how damn serious they are.

[hiley]

52. Old one here no longer up at the newspaper site.

His main topic used to be HMO's once upon a time..


June 2003

Duped again! Weapons of Mass Delusion.

Who orchestrated Bush’s illegal Iraqi war? Official reports indicate that 25 Zionists were the architects. Examination of Bush’s predominately neo-con Jewish/Zionist inner circle reveals all advocate continuing illegal preemptive strikes against Middle-Eastern countries.

A partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Ari Fleischer, Donald Rumsfeld, Michael Chertoff, Elliot Abrams, Michael Ladeen, David Wurmser, Lewis Libby and Karl Rove — a combination of dual-citizenships, Israel-Firsters, or offspring of Trotskyists. These men all hold strategic positions in the federal government. Cover for the aforementioned is supplied by Falwell/Robertson fundamentalists.

Jewish media control, i.e. Viacom, CBS, MTV, ABC, Clear Channels, Turner Broadcasting, Warner Bros., Sony, Disney, coupled with goodly numbers of Jewish editorialists, print and spoken, guarantees a Jewish/Israeli slant.

Bush and his mostly Jewish neo-cons' war against Iraq was illegal, immoral and resulted in the emasculation of the Constitution. There are no weapons of mass destruction and no evidence that Iraq has harmed U.S. interests, i.e. no Iraqi terrorists. Evidence indicates Bush I was a party to installing Saddam and was formerly a business partner, and U.S. furnished Iraq with start-up material for bacterial warfare.

Bush and his neo-con handlers have vaporized the 14th Amendment, shades of Nazi German differing only in role-reversal. Additionally, Globalist Bush refuses to secure our southern border, and estimates state that in excess of 10,000 illegals are crossing daily. The aforementioned, accompanied by "Homeland Security" and the "Patriot Acts" guarantees a U.S. citizen lock-down! American culture is in a melt-down.

Who benefited? Bush oil, Israel and the military/industrial complex.
The Bush administration is involved in a criminally arrogant disdain for the Founders' formula for a free society.

Joe McCutchen
Fort Smith

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2005/01/soft-on-extremism.html

[hiley]

44. wanted to say I am sorry Walt

that I lost my temper, that is why I edited right away.
went to far and that would get no where.

[Walt Starr]

45. Actually, I think your reaction was warranted and I deserved it

I should not have missed your post! It was my fault and I deserved to be taken to task for it!

[UTUSN]

22. Unfortunately, O'LOOFAH, HANNITY, and the Rest Are Drumming Up

the "immigration" issue as one of their biggest fear-mongering recruitment planks.

[Cults4Bush]

24. Walt the best DU'ers are the ones who willingly admit to their mistakes

in past threads. I trust your arguments even if I dont agree because of this simple fact. Its the ones that dont admit they were wrong in public on the board that even if I agree with on most topics I am less likely to trust.

Also your intentions regarding the minusmen were good, I think you were just happy to see citizens get mad enough to do something about anything. At least thats how I saw it.

[jonnyblitz]

26. there was ample proof from the beginning. we provided links

to info back when you and way too many others here were picking up for them. apparently you must have finally decided to actually look at the proof. better late than never.

[Bridget Burke]

31. Good for you.

I suspected the guys all along but their racism has become blindingly obvious.

[Walt Starr]

32. They hid it as best they could in the beginning

As with all things related to the KKK, they've discovered that when their racist rhetoric gets out, people get turned off to them.

[NNN0LHI]

46. Too late. They will be patrolling your neighborhood for illegals tomorrow

Have your green card ready to present it when they demand to see it. I hear Tijuana is really nice this time of year.

Don

[Bernardo de La Paz]

48. Culbertson's Rangers

[donco6]

50. Whew. Good.

I've always appreciated your posts, and could not for the life of me figure out your stand on the "minutemen." Great history link, BTW. Even some new stuff I didn't know.

[G_j]

53. thanks Walt

& I hope your post may help to educate.

:applause:

[hiley]

55. White Revolution loves Joe (minutemen)

caution this is vile & crazy... if you go to the link you have to scroll down more than half way to find article.

The illegal invasion: Cui Bono? (Who benefits?)
by Joe McCutchen

(Arkansas anti-illegal immigration activist Joe McCutchen has been repeatedly attacked in the editorial pages of the Arkansas Democrat Gazette newspaper by slimy

snip--- because it is very racist and ugly..

Time was when crime families were defined by who had the most Thompson submachine guns, society morphed and crime families changed. These new crime families have evolved from a corporation/government nexus. The most direct route to achieving crime family status is to lobby (buy) politicians and exploit illegals. Subsidized by middleclass taxpayers.

Who are Arkansas’ crime families (oligarchs), the aspirants, and the aiders and abettors?

Do the Tyson’s and Walton’s qualify as crime families? Snippets of U.S. law: Section 274. A person (including a group, business, organization, or local governments) commits a felony when he assists an alien he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or knowingly assists due to personal convictions. State and local enforcement officials have the general power to arrest illegals and their employers without prior ICE knowledge or approval. WHY DON’T THEY?


http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:_cM0WIl53ewJ:www.whiterevolution.com/archives/200507+Joe+McCutchen++Awards&hl=en

[tamtam]

56. I'm happy you saw the light

If you google illegal immigration and minutemen it gives you all the info you need to be against these clowns.

I remember a while back listening to The Terry Anderson show. Have any of you heard of this guy? His show is in L.A and he talks strictly about illegal immigration. I was shocked to hear some of his callers come out and call Hispanics the S word especially since Terry Anderson is a black man. I called up his show and gave him an earful. I told him he should be ashamed to have these people on the radio using racial slurs. Sad to say MOST of these people are fueled my their hatred for people of color. I live in California and I hear the hatred from the freeper types. There has to be a better way to deal with illegal immigration. We do not need idiots running around the border with guns behaving like hard asses. I'm glad you did your research Walt. I promise you if you dig a little further these idiots will have you boiling with anger.