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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:41 PM
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:43 PM
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1. Put this guy in cell # 5 and give him a drink!
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 07:44 PM by karlschneider
:evilgrin:
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:45 PM
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I have my Zen moments from time to time
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:45 PM
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2. Seek medical attention
'rising above' your anger.....means you can't be bothered, so you hide in romantic eastern fables.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:46 PM
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3. yeow
What's THAT all about?

Thought the post was appropriate to describe one of the ranges of emotions many of us are having these days.

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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:49 PM
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5. Stop having
a 'range of emotions' and do something useful.

This is not an ashram, its the real world.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:56 PM
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16. uhm
chill dude.

We are people first. People aren't machines.

I ain't a marine and I don't follow your fucking orders.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:05 PM
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22. Ah, but is it the real world...
or merely an illusion of 'reality'? That is the question. And how does one turn off emotions or stop having a range of them? Please elaborate.
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tpub Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:47 PM
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4. Pete, you're doing more than your part
I can't join you: I drink to ease the pain.

But I'm optimistic about 2004!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:49 PM
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6. Sounds like what I have...a "strange" calmness!
Focused, dedicated, and very centered! :)
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:50 PM
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7. I'm with you bro
we have been through so much, now we must calmy spread the word and let folks know they are NOT ALONE.

psst... pass the word :bounce:

peace
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Shanty Oilish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:51 PM
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8. Some days are better than others.
I have a lot of bitterness about 2000. Some days I think I can wait 'til 2004, some days I think I can't. :(
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:52 PM
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9. I'm still working on it...


*sigh*
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xJlM Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:53 PM
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10. That's the smart way to do
What good does it really do me to get pissed about the lying going on, or the seemingly willfully ignorant people who spout republican talking points to defend their annointed leader (and I'm not just talking about repugs)? It's really easier on me to let go, and let others have their own thoughts. Maybe they'll learn in time. Maybe not, too, but that's life.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:53 PM
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11. I hope you're contagious!
Act like the person you want to be. Envision the future you want to see. You will meet yourself in an evolved state.

Of course, you know that.

;-)
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:54 PM
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12. We have a lot of work to do.
Fighting amoungst ourselves detracts from the bigger picture.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:55 PM
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13. good for you, Pete
as a woman, it's difficult for me to shrug off the most recent develpments and be anything but angry.

I wish more people were really, seriously angry. We might get somewhere then.
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:56 PM
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14. It happened to me in Nov 2002
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 08:02 PM by kainah
and I am noticing it even more last night and today.

Last November, I was crushed & devastated by the realization that I could never again trust elections, that there wasn't going to be an electoral solution for our woes. At the same time, in Wyoming, we had elected a Dem governor, an ex-classmate of mine, whom I'd spent a lot of energy helping to elect. I wanted to celebrate but, oh, the crushing defeat of the national scene.

By earlier commitment, soon after the election, I had to make my first ever trip to the deep South, the only section of the country I've never visited. I didn't really want to go but then I decided to include in it a self-guided pilgrimage to civil rights sites around Selma, AL and Philadelphia, MS. We visited the sites of many struggles, many deaths, many moments of inspiration. And I realized then that things have always been pretty bad in this country for progressive causes, that many, many, many people have had to struggle very, very, very hard to make the progress that has been made. That there never has been and never will be a silver bullet solution. That no matter how horrible things are now, they've been horrible before.

And I have two choices. I can keep fighting or I can quit. But, HOW could I possibly quit when I've stood where Viola Liuzzo was shot by the Klan & I've seen the grave of James Chaney with its bullet marks & heavy duty brace to prevent the headstone from being toppled & I've visited the church burned by the Klan outside Philadelphia and met some of the congregation which had the unbelievable courage to invite those voting rights activists to use their isolated & vulnerable church? And, how can I turn my back on my own ancestors who risked everything to work for the abolition of slavery?

No, I have to go on and so if the majority of Californians (especially Californians) succumb to society's alluring picture of celebrity worship, then I cannot be surprised or deterred from what I must do.

Soon after this awakening, I became actively involved with a new local peace group and I have felt steadfast ever since. I hope you can find a way to turn your energy into the kind of activist commitment we progressives so desperately need.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:56 PM
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15. I'm calming down more...
especially after the Ahnold thing. I've realized there are some things we can't change overnight. Someone put a great Ghandi quote about good always wins, even when it seems evil is prevailing (paraphrased). I believe this. We're in the right. Evil passes. People on this planet have been through far worse, and even if things get much worse, we'll have to become that much stronger. We don't have much of a choice, since we can't force people to pull their heads out of their asses. Thanks for the post!
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:57 PM
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17. Had a strange calm feeling today, too
Not quite as clear as you are, Pete...but an acceptance of forces that are ...a bit out of kelter? and not readily understood...yet?

Should have been violent that a person that I feel is not worthy of the honor bestowed on him has received such bounty.

But I was strangely calm. There are other battles ahead.

Maybe I should seek medical attention as well...or maybe go on vacation.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:00 PM
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18. I haven't.
I'm not gotta rise above my anger until Nov. 2004. No telling what will happen between now and then, though. We will probably have another 911, mid year 2004.....so then "I" will be seeking medical attention! :D
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:01 PM
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19. I got a lot of housework done today
Wednesday is my day off. I took the day off from TV and DU. I cleaned out my cabinets and re-arranged things. It made me feel good to not think about politics. The Arnold thing, I think will backfire. He's not the Republican that the Republicans want.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:02 PM
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20. Don't think so
After a peaceful retreat in the Northern wilderness for a week I was bullied by airline security in the Burlington, VT airport for speaking out in defense of an old woman who was being harassed. They screamed in my face and threatened not to let me on the plane. I yelled back I was a citizen and they had no right to treat us as criminals. They then searched my back pack 3 times. Wonder what they thought of the little stuffed pig and the maple candies stuffed into my military-styled rolled-up insulated underware.;-) I was pretty pissed all day.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:08 PM
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23. Why would you wear a stuffed pig and and maple candies
...in your underwear?
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:14 PM
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25. You can ride your anger in a controlled manner
...like riding a wave, if you first rise above it. Controlling it is not the same as escaping from anger. I don't think that self-hypnosis to eliminate negative feelings is terribly productive or sane.

Every time I run into a conversation like this, I am reminded of Deckard's wife (her name was Iran) from the book "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep". She 'mis-used' the dial-a-mood machine, but she was one of the more sane characters in the story.

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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:36 PM
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34. Yeah, yeah, yeah
sometimes it is appropriate to be angry, but it involves some courage.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:33 PM
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33. in my backpack, silly
;-)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:02 PM
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21. I'm getting there Pete...
:)
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:17 PM
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26. I've done nothing crazy. To me that's "Trancending" the situation.
It's not easy but as time goes on the will is challenged.

You? You're coping well. Most of us are. The serious challenges to one's principles are just off of the horizon though.
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confusionisnext Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:20 PM
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27. Show me the way
I am partisan, and as a Californian, I am PISSED! I've been so distracted from my school work-- DU has helped me keep my sanity, but it's also been keeping me from everything else, at least in the last 24 hrs.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:21 PM
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28. C. Thomas Howell Said It Best In Red Dawn:
The anger keeps me warm.

Just kidding. I totally agree with you. Feeding into the obviously fabricated "outrage" of Ann Coulter and whomever only plays into their hands. They want a polarized America because 1) It sells, and 2) Polarized people are much easier to politically manipulate.

Conservative Americans are not our enemy. 99% of them are just regular people that want to do the right thing, and mostly focus their lives on the needs of their friends and family. That may make them naive (and believe me, there are plenty of naive liberals), but they are still our brethren.

I've always found that you get more bees with honey than vinegar, and alienating people that disagree with you accomplishes nothing. Making the effort to find common ground is essential to the American democratic experiment. There is a difference between conviction and zealotry. One should always be vigilant of that line in politics. Liberal zealots do us no more good than conservative ones.

I don't know if I've found a state of tranquility, but I at least try to remember my own humanity and that of those around me. We all have our faults, our own personal compromises and corruptions. That's part of what makes us truly great, and what makes us truly terrible. God bless us all.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:23 PM
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29. Well, I've had some wine
So I feel a bit better. It's a fine line, though. Too much wine, and who knows WHAT I'll do!??!
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Dob Bole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:29 PM
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30. In Christianity, called Peace that Passes all Understanding :)
Philippians 4

6 Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things

So maybe you are crazy. Guess it depends on what peeps think about Christianity. :)
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:31 PM
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31. I'm there Pete
But I do drink and smoke to medicate, but I don't think that has much to do with the calm that is washing over me. I feel it during the day too when I'm NOT smoking and drinking.

I feel empowered, optimistic, and positive that this is a phase that the country is going through tht it will DEFINITELY pull out of.

In the mean time, Pete, this one's for you!

:toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast:
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:31 PM
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32. My moments of peace outweigh my moments of anger....
... I hope.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:40 PM
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35. I'm with you, Pete...
Driving to work today, I was flooded with sadness and frustration, and more than a little anger. So I turned up the music (Steve Earle, 'cause he gets it) and let it go.

A few hours later I drove downtown and walked around in the warm sun, among the people just doing their things, and a calm hopeful feeling started to emerge. I believe in what we are doing, now more than ever, and I am not daunted by the challenge. It is right, and that is enough.
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