sorry but please no more presidents or judges from Texas

[still_one]

Texas has given us enough

Lyndon Johnson who killed 60 thousands Americans, and God knows how many civilians, and two bushs who both carried out pre-emptive wars against Iraq, killed hundreds of thousands of civillians, thousands of Americans, and vets still can't get treatment for agent orange or gulf war syndrom

enough is enough

[LWolf]

1. Ann Richards

She's getting a little long in the tooth to place in the WH, but I would have voted for her.

[still_one]

3. That was then, this is now

and even though I like Ann Richards, and she has done good things, all in all it doesn't balance out

[mattclearing]

2. There are plenty of decent people in Texas.

Most of them live in and around Austin.

We shouldn't stereotype an entire state.

[crispini]

6. Or cites, for that matter.

Dallas is more Democratic than Austin. Surprised? We sure were.

[mattclearing]

7. They root for the Cowboys.

I stand by my previous statement. :D

[still_one]

9. I don't deny that, and you are correct, but too many people have died

I am tired of RAMBO politics

It won't really matter, because the neocons have already won, just watch the democrats fold again

It will be at least seven to ten years before people realize what they have done to the country by voting bush and company in. I know they are NOT from Texas originally, but they were elected by people in Texas, and they made it to where they are today because of it

Once the die is set, they will control all three branches of government

All I can say is I am glad I covered my ass and went long oil and natural gas when bush and company won in 2000.

The only hope the country really has is moderate repukes, and I sincerely doubt that they will have the courage to act

[mattclearing]

13. So you gave the people responsible for this money?

That's not exactly dissent.

[still_one]

21. you are right

but I hedged myself. I have to watch out for my family. I have voted Democratic for the last 30 years, and I am left of center, but when I saw Gore distance himself from Clinton, choose Liberman as a VP, I started to rethink. Then in 2000 Dashille was soooo accomodating to this administration, but it was 2004 when Kerry was in the Grand Canyon, and the press asked him would he vote on the Iraq war the same way knowing what he knows now, and he said yes, I knew we were in trouble.

The Democrats better fight this nomination through filibuster until they know what Fitzgerald has. If they outed a CIA agent, there is NO WAY they should be allowed to appoint any more judges

[Why Syzygy]

4. George is NOT FROM TEXAS!

He was born in Connecticut. PLEASE stop blaming Texas for his malfeasance.

[mattclearing]

8. No, Texas only elected him. TWICE. n/t

[Why Syzygy]

17. Elections

May I remind you he is serving his second term as so called "president" of the USofA. Spread the joy.

Hate Texans if you want. You lose.

[mattclearing]

33. See my initial response above.

I've indicated I don't think it's right to hate Texas. Reading the thread before posting is usually a good idea.

But you seem to think that just because Bush isn't from Texas, that Texas bears no repsonsibility for him. That is not correct.

And Bush's presidential elections were much closer than his Texas gubernatorial elections.

You lose.

[Why Syzygy]

36. okay. go ahead and read the thread

He is NOT our "responsibility". btw, when we moved to Nevada, Ann Richards was governor. I have NEVER voted for the weasel. Texas has a lot of yankee transplants. Don't know if you realize that. Maybe THEY are to blame.

Think what you want. I'm done with this thread.

[crispini]

5. Me to America: I TOLD YOU SO.

But, NO, America, you had to go and vote for him anyway.

Shrub wouldn't have gotten in without votes from the other 49, people. Anyone who bothered to read a few Molly Ivins columns would have known this jackass wasn't qualified.

[Why Syzygy]

19. Molly is a beautiful Texan

She is much more representative of Texas than bozo boy.

[Maddy McCall]

10. I love LBJ.

The Vietnam War was his Achilles heel, but his domestic policy was aces.

On domestic policy, I'd say he's in the top 3 of US Presidents in history.

[still_one]

12. tell that to the 60000 dead Americans

the same lies both bushs told us about iraq, johnson told us about nam

I agree social he was magnificient, but that will never forgive him for Viet Nam

nixon also was great on the environment

[SammyWinstonJack]

31. Not that it matters to you since you are on a mission to bash Texans

but I think I read where more Americans died under Nixon's reign then under LBJ and Kennedy combined? Carry on.

[Maddy McCall]

39. Well that's an idiotic response.

Your post made absolutely no sense. Could you clarify?

[winston61]

11. Texas has given us too much

I could not agree more. How much longer will the rest of the country put up with having Texas and Texas crooks and liars shoved down it's throat?
As any student of state government knows Texas is the national laboratory for bad government. If it was poorly conceived, badly executed and a complete failure, then in Texas that is called success and then the mistake will be imposed on the whole nation. In Texas government the cream does not rise to the top. Rather the smelliest turds float to the top of the cess pit and then the stream runs straight to Washington. Before 2000, everyone knew about the Rove and Bush mafia. Now the rest of the country must suffer.

[still_one]

14. Don't get me wrong,I know there are good, decent people in Texas

I am just tired of what has come about in the past thirty years

[WolverineDG]

20. and i'm damn sick & tired

of seeing posts like this one blaming texas for everything that's wrong today or getting happy because a Cat. 5 hurricane was headed our way. makes me wonder why i even bother trying to pump up democratic support in this state if all we're ever going to get for our troubles is a slap in the face.

dg

[still_one]

24. I have NEVER expressed a wish about people getting hurt anywhere

and NO WAY did I wish or want the hurricane disaster to occur

In a way you are right, Texas is no better or worse than the rest of the country. They also voted for these people, but I will tell you there are major differences between the North and the South.

The South seems to vote more against their best interests than the North.

[WolverineDG]

42. you may not have

but many others have. before rita hit, i couldn't come into GD without seeing at least 2, sometimes 3, posts cheering about rita hitting texas or crawford. let me tell you, texas bashing gets old real fast.


dg

[Kolesar]

18. "Like Mississippi, only with good roads" -- Molly Ivins

& Lou Dubose in their book about the short but happy political life of *.

[emulatorloo]

15. Barbara Jordan was an American Hero

and that is just one example.

Neither Bush is from Texas. They are from Connecticut.

[acmejack]

16. You are absolutely correct!

All 20,851,820 of us are total assholes! Good thing we are all kept in one place, huh?

[flying_wahini]

22. i have voted against GWB 4 times, and I live in Texas,

you have to remember, too, that because of our "new and improved" gerrymandered maps, my vote doesn't even count anymore..... thanks to big bidness and the good ol' boy network ..........please, i think i'll just go somewhere and puke up, now.................

[still_one]

25. They are trying to do the same thing to us in California right now

It will be interesting to see if California has learned anything from Texas, and from what has happened in the last 6 years

[Why Syzygy]

23. You know

when I lived in las vegas, I didn't like Cali-fuckin-fornians. They drove like maniacs. Filled the city on weekends. Beat me at Texas hold-em (on occasion). Then I visited the beautiful, friendly and lovely state of California. I changed my mind. Perhaps an idea for you.

Texans will not be scapegoats. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=180

In Los Angeles they may fight in the streets, in Texas we fight in the back alley. Find someone else to blame for the current situation. This is just distraction from real issues.

Oh. And say hi to Arnold.

[still_one]

27. I have relatives in Texas

One in Austin, and one in Dallas

The one's in Austin love *

The one's in Dallas hate him

[Why Syzygy]

29. Lock is a good idea

I've lived in both places and have always despised him.

You don't know the same folks I do.

[Kolesar]

26. For you defenders of Texas

I can see many of you are put off by the theme of this thread which makes no room for the good things about Texas. IMHO, DU is a message board where "anybody" can post "anything", and these transient thoughts mostly just end up in a giant archive somewhere. Rather than dwelling in the angst here, I would advocate finding some other way to spend your time.

[still_one]

28. you are right, I will see if I can lock this thread which I started

[winston61]

41. watching Texas politics is a great past time

We here in Texas are past shock and surprise. There are good things about Texas, no doubt. The Hill Country, the Bid Bend. There are wonderful people. Much like the rest of America just writ larger. As an outsider (non-native, only lived here for 40 years) I see this sense of 'specialness' that many Texans assign themselves. Damned if I can figure out what it is. The history of the state revolves around the sacred 'Remember the Alamo' mentality. Folks, the Alamo was a major military blunder. We do have a unique talent for selecting the worst among us to lead the state and by some tragic twist of fate, they wind up leading the country. My wife loves me, but that love does not blind her to my faults. You can like Texas, but never be blinded by the Texas bullshit.

[hobbit709]

30. Actually

more Americans died in Viet Nam while Nixon was in office than while LBJ was president.

[SaveElmer]

32. I view LBJ as more tragic than evil...

He got into Viet Nam and didn't know what to do!

It's clear from the phone recordings from the Oval Office how deeply conflicted he was about it!

And he did alot of great things in office.


The Bushes are just political hacks with enriching their buddies as their primary goal!

[Maddy McCall]

37. He didn't take us into Vietnam. He inherited it.

I agree with your post.

I've read biographies on him, and I think he was a good guy, caught in a horrible situation.

[Gruenemann]

34. NO MORE CALIFORNIANS!!!

Nixon, Reagan Schwarzenpfeffer...need I go on?

Stop bashing individual states because certain indidividuals are from there.

[still_one]

35. couldn't agree with you more

in fact I have requested a lock on this thread that I started

[fujiyama]

38. Is Texas politics

more corrupt than othe places? I doubt it. Texas is a big state and
I'd say, it's a combination of oil money, and traditions of cronyism which generally has had a corrupting influence on society.

Do you really think Bush would have been any less of a corrupt bastard had he been from some other state? I doubt it. Crooks will take advantage of wherever they are. Oddly enough, they barred corporate donations to their state campaigns, so in that sense their laws were stronger than federal laws.

[winston61]

40. just lip service on corporate money

Anyone in Texas knows that Delay's trick are old hat. The millions are spent on lobbying and other big money flows out of the state, is laundered and then comes back home. Even in Texas politics, Delay is a standout. A brasher, bolder style of the Texas 'Fuck You' politics. He's damaged goods, the plea bargain is in place. Just watch. In my first post I should have noted I live in Texas and have watched all this from a front row seat. Lucky me.

[QC]

43. The "bushs" [sic] are not from Texas.

They are New England old money all the way. Nobody was ever more Northeastern Establishment than that bunch.

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44. Locking

Please refrain from bashing states or from dicriminating against people based on their state of origin.

Each state is more than big enough to have its fair share of both great and rotten people.

Thank you,
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