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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:01 PM
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Bill Bennett: "You Could Abort Every Black Baby in this Country"
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 11:17 PM by paineinthearse

Blogged by JC on 09.29.05 @ 06:09 PM ET

You Could Abort Every Black Baby in this Country

Former Republican Education Secretary, Bill Bennett stated on his radio program yesterday that,

"if you wanted to reduce crime, you could - if that were your sole purpose - abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down."

Link to Audio at
Bill Bennett's Morning in America Sponsors.
Contact Salem Radio Network.

I have written a letter to the president of the Salem Radio Network, the network that carries Bennett's program, requesting that they suspend this program and address the problem of stereotyping and profiling that has been expressed on their programming.

The text of my letter follows:

Greg Anderson
Salem Radio Network
6400 N. Beltline Rd.
Suite 210
Irving, TX 75063

Dear Mr. Anderson:

We were shocked and outraged to learn that, on your radio network yesterday, Bill Bennett stated on his radio program, Bill Bennett's Morning in America, "I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime you could - if that were your sole purpose - you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down." This statement was made in response to a caller's suggestion linking abortions to the solvency of the Social Security program.

It is difficult for us to understand how an individual granted a show on your network could utter such a statement in 21st century America. While we all support First Amendment Rights, we simply cannot countenance statements and shows that are replete with racism, stereotyping, and profiling. Mr. Bennett's statement is insulting to all of us and has no place on the nation's public air waves. The fact that Mr. Bennett later acknowledged that such abortions would be "morally reprehensible," but added again that if it was done "the crime rate would go down," is equally outrageous.

We ask that you immediately suspend this radio program. We also ask to meet with the executives of your network to understand how you could have permitted an individual with such views to broadcast such a program on your network, and learn what you intend to do to respond to this problem. We are planning to convey our views to your commercial sponsors as well and hereby request a list of all sponsors of the show within the last year.


John Conyers, Jr.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:06 PM
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1. done
Salem Radio Network notified of my disgust that Bennett would single out black babies abortions to reduce crime.
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aresef Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:08 PM
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2. *Adds Bennett to list of people I wouldn't mind if they were gone*
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:12 PM
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3. Apply that thinking to Bush Family and make a REAL dent in crime
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:20 PM
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4. Who are the sponsors?
"We are planning to convey our views to your commercial sponsors as well and hereby request a list of all sponsors of the show within the last year."

DU actions:

1. Identify the sponsors.
2. Request they pull support else face boycott.
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electricray Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:21 PM
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5. Was racial hatred in Bennets Book of virtues? n/t
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:28 PM
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7. No, nor his gambling weakness
The guy's a fraud.
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electricray Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:19 AM
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11. Yeah, I kinda figured. His poor glass house must be shattered by now. n/t
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:55 PM
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36. It's clear humility, and responsibility weren't or if they were,
that those virtues are ones he doesn't have- "do as I say not as I do".
If he says he's not going to 'take instruction' from anyone he judges to be less than he (Ted Kennedy)- then he claims he is the epitomy of "God" incarnate-
I know many people who I don't like, OR necessiarly respect- .... uh, let's take Bill Bennett for example- simply because he is a bigoted, pompus asshole, doesn't mean I can't LEARN from him- like what I DON'T want to be. And how I DON'T want to behave.

Sorry 'mr. bennett' but as a man sows, so shall he reap.

Anyone want to take bets on how he'll come through this without any 'damage'?

Gambling ain't a 'vice'.- that's why it is strictly regulated, and children are prohibited from engaging in it.-

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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:27 PM
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6. I would say that Bennett's words are...
astonishing, but really it's no surprise at all coming from him. With high-minded, Republican, euro-centered culture critics like him they almost invariably show their true colors when talking about how to address crime; that is to say, they show they're asshat racists. Shudder to think this guy was Education Secretary ... what a ghoul. Great, great letter by Conyers, who's been a real hero lately.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:29 PM
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8. Sounds like a coded message/plea to his Dominatrix. n/t
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:40 PM
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9. GOP is just another word for racism
No matter how many times I repeat it to myself that right wingers are racist, it still always takes me by surprise to hear them express their racism so blatantly. I often ponder if these people were born stupid, or evil, or both. Thus far, I haven't come up with an answer. I do know one thing though. I have no doubt Bennett would deny he had even made a racist comment. This is the neo-con modus operandus; to deny the racist nature of their fundamentally racist ideas.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 01:35 AM
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15. He's already dismissed claims of racism. But clearly seems to me if he
wasn't being racist (speaking to his audience of comfortably like minded folks) he wouldn't have singled out the black population for his outrageous hypothetical. Simple. And one would guess that aborting all Caucasian babies would have a greater impact on the amount of crime, yes?

He just got caught talking about "those" people. And now will take umbrage that anyone could imagine there was a racist component to his comments. And try to turn it back on his critics.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:41 PM
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10. You could lock up every GOP politician, Crony Capitalist, and No-Bid
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 11:43 PM by impeachdubya
Contract Recipient...

and your crime rate would go down.
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:44 AM
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12. Remove the word Black and replace Crime with the word Problem...
And I generally tend to agree. The majority of problems here and abroad could be reduced if we would stop having so many children.

Other than that, I think we was way over the top on this one and I hope he pays dearly for his racists comments.

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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:46 AM
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13. Bennett is right, you know
If we would've applied his theory long ago we could have avoided the havoc committed by these unruly African-Americans

Clark Clifford
Jeffrey Dahmer
Scott Peterson
Ted Bundy
Mark David Chapman
John Gotti
Al Capone
James Earl Ray
Aileen Wuornos
Joseph Bonanno
Louis Lepke
Meyer Lansky
Joel Steinberg
Timothy McVeigh
Richard "Iceman" Kuklinski
John Derringer
Richard Wershe
James Huberty
Ed Gein
Richard Speck
Adolf Hitler
Joseph Stalin
Paul Castellano
Charles Manson
Dylan Klebold
Eric Harris
Jack Henry Abbott
George Jung
Byron de la Beckwith
JW Milam
Roy Bryant
John Lotter
Tom Nissen
Aaron James McKinney
Russell Henderson
Ted Kaczynski
Gregory Despres
Richard Hickok
Perry Smith

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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:47 AM
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14. First the gambling, now this.....
Boy, what an asshole. But the freepers will defend him as a moral crusader who was taken out of context by the liberal media.....
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 01:37 AM
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16. Recommended - at such a dark time in our nation's life, what would we do
without our heroic, unsleeping Mr. Conyers?
:loveya: :patriot:

Here is an earlier thread on the Bennet abomination, including an link to a page with an audio file:

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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 01:56 AM
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17. What would happen if we aborted all of the Republicans?
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:24 AM
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18. And it is Christian propaganda radio as well

And while the mainstream media is asleep at the switch, CNP (Council for National Policy) members' access to conservative media outlets enable them to collaborate and disseminate their propaganda. ...

Another example is that five directors of Salem Communications Company are or have been officers and directors of CNP:
Salem's president and CEO, Edward G. Atsinger III;
Stuart W. Epperson (host of Truth Talk Live, a radio show broadcast on Salem's radio network);
Roland S. Hinz (who is also president of Hi-Favor Broadcasting, LLC, which has purchased radio stations from Salem to implement a Christian format in Spanish);
Donald P. Hodel;
and Judge Paul Pressler (a retired Texas judge who has made a career of advocating a conservative resurgence in the Southern Baptist Convention).

Salem owns over 100 Christian broadcast radio stations, is the provider of Christian programming on XM Satellite Radio, and recently agreed with America Online to provide the only Christian talk radio station on the AOL Radio Network. Last year, Salem was ranked in the top 100 in Fortune Small Business magazine's list of fastest growing small public companies.

Salem is the seventh largest owner of radio stations in the country, and while it barely rivals Clear Channel Communications at over 1,200 stations, the combined Christian broadcasting power of Salem and American Family Radio -- a project of the American Family Association -- would rank them fourth, just behind powerhouses" Clear Channel, Cumulus Media (Cumulus Broadcasting), and Citadel Communications Corporation.

"Many Republican House and Senate candidates, as well as the Bush/Cheney campaign (Bush-Cheney '04 Inc.), the Republican National Committee, and the Republican Majority Issues Committee, the issue advertising committee formed by DeLay, have been the beneficiaries of not only Atsinger's largesse, but that of Salem Communications' political action committee as well.
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:54 AM
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19. mebbe he means that less black children will be preyed upon by whites
thus less crime...........................nah, he's just a racist prick. A good example of GOP virtues
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:59 AM
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20. The page won't display for me.I am ticked off.I'm glad Pelosi said
something about it on the Floor yesterday.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:06 AM
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21. There was an item on CNN this morning on the headline news
channel about his, and Pelosi's comments were replayed. The text for the article sounded like CNN was trying to cut Bennett some slack but couldn't quite do it. After some explanation that he was responding on a "complicated theory about abortion and crime", the whole thing ended with a statement that he wrote a book on virtues.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:13 AM
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22. Here ya go:

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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:03 AM
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23. Chilling!
(as usual). Thanks for the graphic.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:05 PM
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24. Is this typical expression of RW hypocrisy still on the radio?
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:18 PM
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25. Let's see
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 02:23 PM by paineinthearse
Contact -
Main - /

Yup, the asswipe is still displayed on the home page:

...with a link to a functioning page -

Morning in America - /

Listen to Bill -

Email Bill -
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:25 PM
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27. Transcript of Bennett on Hannity & Colmes 9/29

Bill Bennett Interview on Fox News' Hannity & Colmes Regarding Race, Crime, Etc.
Courtesy of Fox News Channel/9-29-2005

First, our top story tonight is the controversy surrounding radio talk show host Bill Bennett. Yesterday on his radio show, Mr. Bennett -- Dr. Bennett was quoted as saying. I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you cold abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down...that would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.

The comments have drawn criticism today from Senate minority leader Harry Reid who said he was appalled. Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy who called them racist and from House minority leader Nancy Pelosi who said they were shameful. Bill Bennett joins us now in an exclusive interview to talk about these comments.

Dr. Bennett, we appreciate you coming on tonight.


COLMES: Might give you an opportune to put them in context and explain.

BENNETT: Sure. Well, the context was a radio show that I was doing yesterday, and the topic was abortion and we were talking about bad arguments in regard to abortion. A caller suggested he was opposed to abortion because he said if there were more babies there would be, eventually, more tax payers and a larger GNP, a smaller deficit. I said you want to be careful with that kind of argument because someone could postulate a situation where child's not likely to be a productive taxpayer. I said, arguments in which you take something that's far out, like the GNP and try to connect it up with abortion are tricky. I said make the case of abortion on the basis of life and protecting life. I said abortion is invoked in another way; you could make an argument that if you wanted to lower the crime rate, you saw the quote; you could practice abortion in very large numbers. You could do it in the black community; you could do it in other places. This is, by the way, the subject of a book for economics by a professor at Yale.

I said, however, if you were to practice that, widespread abortion in the black community or any other community, it would be ridiculous, impossible, and I appreciate you putting it on the screen, morally reprehensible. So I think morally reprehensible, when that is included in the quote makes it perfectly clear what my position is. A number of the people whom you have cited as condemning me have not made the inclusion of that remark, and so they make it seem, Alan, as if I am supporting such a monstrous idea, which of course I don't.

COLMES: Here's my concern. The root cause of crime, one would debate, it seems to be poverty. And from your remarks, I wonder if people might interpret it as saying the root cause of crime is race. And that debate about is it race is it poverty? What really is the root cause? And race affects people of all races and creeds and I think that's why...

BENNETT: Poverty. Poverty affects people of all races. Let me tell you what bothers me first, because I'm always candid with you. What bothers me is that last night on your radio show, you were all over me, Alan. And, you know, I was really surprised. You know me, you've known me for a long time and the fact that you would give credence to the notion that I would believe such a thing is very disturbing. I've had 1,000 opportunities when people have said to me what about that Alan Colmes, isn't he a jerk or a liberal this -- I've always said he's always a gentleman, he's nice to me. I run a radio show in which we don't yell at people, we don't make fun of them. We have liberals and conservatives and we deal with sensitive and important public policies issues and we do it in a responsible way. But people need to follow the argument and the argument I was making here is entirely plausible. The causes of crime are very complicated. But there is a very big literature, as you know, about single parenthood in crime, about race in crime, and about poverty in crime. And we've been talking about all these things lately in the context of New Orleans and other things.

COMES: Let me talk to you...

BENNETT: There are real things in the real world, and there are people who believe we should take such monstrous steps.

COLMES: Let me talk about what I said on my radio show.

BENNETT: I do not.

COLMES: Dr. Bennett -- Bill, because you know, I do consider you someone -- we've been good to each other. I like you. I think you respect me.

BENNETT: Yes sir.

COLMES: I was really shocked.

BENNETT: Have been.

COLMES: And I plaid what you said and the whole context of what you said. Frankly, I was just shocked by it. I don't believe you're a racist. I don't think that you believe those things. I was just shocked by what I heard and I -- basically there was a lot of callers calling up and commenting on it after I played your comments. And a lot of other people were shocked that you would have -- in the context you said it, say the things you said.

BENNETT: Well, you know, to put forward a hypothesis, a morally impossible hypothesis to show why it is morally impossible and reprehensible seems to me is a standard way of talking about public policy and a standard way of teaching. You know, I've taught philosophy for years and one argues in the hypothetical all the time. People have said such outrageous things, Alan, about race and this is not unknown to our history. It's certainly not unknown to our history -- to the history of Europe, recently. It's not unknown to the history of Islam. And what we have -- you've got to be able to make an argument and say look, you may be thinking you're going to achieve some good end, but you can't use a monstrous means to do it. You know, this is like a Swift's modest proposal for people who remember their literature. You put things up in order to examine them. I put it up, examined it, and said that is ridiculous and impossible no matter who advances that idea.

COLMES: All right, we got -- Sean will be with you in the next segment. There are some statistics, you know, that talk about how African- Americans are treated disparagingly in the criminal justice and, you know, we could debate whether or not there really is a greater prejudice against African-Americans and whether they are incarcerated disproportionately.


COLMES: But look we got to take a break and we'll continue with you...

BENNETT: Those are big complicated questions...

COLMES: And later, there more political fallout on Capitol Hill today over the indictment of Congressman Tom Delay. We'll take you behind closed doors to one of the most powerful members in the House.

And then Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan, says the suffering of hurricane Katrina has actually brought black Americans together. Is he using the crisis for his own political gain? You don't want to miss this.

And FEMA made a hasty deal in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and it's costing taxpayers $236 million. We'll get to the bottom of this shocking story coming up on HANNITY COLMES, tonight.

(NEWSBREAK) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: And this is a FOX News Alert. You are looking live at the hills of southern California where wildfires are blazing out of control and are threatening to destroy private residences. We have 3,000 firefighters working at this hour to control the blaze, but as you can see from these live pictures, they're still burning pretty hot. We're gong to keep you updated throughout the hour. We'll bring you new pictures as we get them and let you know as this developes. We hope they can put that out. I was out in southern California in Hope Ranch when this happened. It is devastating.

Also coming up tonight, now that Tom Delay is out House majority leader, at least temporarily, will issue like immigration reforms, spending on the federal level will suffer. We're going to ask one of the men who is stepping into part of his leadership position.

And there is some late-breaking information tonight about the man who is prosecuting come to Tom Delay. Is it a publicity stunt for a movie being made about him? We'll tell you about this tonight.

First, we continue with the host of Morning in America. Bill Bennett is back with us.

Bill, first of all, I have known for you many, many years. I know your faith, I know your character, I know who you are. You're a former secretary of education, former drug czar. This notion that Bill Bennett as is being alleged by prominent democrats has any racist bone in his body is appalling to me.


HANNITY: And I'm glad to hear you say what you said here. I want you to respond to those democrats that are grandstanding, the same ones that had Robert Bird, the former Klansman as their leader. The ones that didn't speak out about Congressman Wrangle's Bull Connor remark.

BENNETT: Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's see, you got Kennedy. I will -- I'll not take instruction from Teddy Kennedy. A young woman likely drowned because of his negligence. I'll take no moral instruction with him. That's much worse than legal gambling what Teddy Kennedy did. He should make no judgments at all about people. He shouldn't be in the Senate. As far as racist and all this other stuff, I'll put my record up with Howard Dean, with Harry Reid.

When I was drug czar, you bet, we were working on the issue of black crime, Alan and Sean, because there was a lot of crime in the black community. And you know who most of the victims are? Their black people. Yeah, black violence -- black-on-black violence is very serious. I went to about 120 inner city communities. That's where the senate wanted me to go, that's where the Senate wanted me to go, that's where I wanted to go. We went after public housing and we went after the bad guys. And you know what? We got the bad guys. And drug use went down. And we raised the price and lowered the purity of cocaine. And we arrested four of the most powerful drug dealers in the world. And got a lot of these guys off the street. And I am very proud of that. Because when we went into the inner city black community, the people said to me, Mr. Czar, or Czar, or Mr. Benet, you get those people off the street and protect us. And we did our best to do it.

Before that, when I was secretary of education, I took on what I think is one of the great civil rights issues of our time, which is educational opportunity and educational choice. The stupid ghettoized curriculum we have, the fact that these black kids go to lousy schools and aren't allowed to choose the schools of their choice because they don't have the money and don't have the opportunity.

I've been at this for 25 years and I have been called everything in the book, but I will stay at what I do because I believe it.

Let me just tell you, when it comes to abortion, my wife's program, best friends, has kept more young women from having abortions because they don't get pregnant because they take her good counsel...

HANNITY: Let me...

BENNETT: Than the entire black caucus. She has done more for inner city black girls than the entire black caucus. So I will not bow my head to any of these people. I will not give up the ground of compassion and sympathy. But I'll tell you, we have real issues and we have got to talk about them candidly. And if you don't think there are people who are making draconian proposals about abortion and this and that and the other thing, you know, you don't know the nature...

HANNITY: Let me ask you this. I want to ask you about the nature of debate in this society.


HANNITY: I go back to the Bill Maher issue. I don't like -- I don't even like Bill Maher. We disagree on just about everything. But Bill Maher said one statement and his entire history of support in the military was cast aside and people focused on one thing. I said wait a minute, that's wrong. Here's Bill Bennett, here's Trent Lott. One statement, there's no room to apologize, explain, put into context, revise or extend one's remarks because people want to hop on it. We now see the democrats trying to do right now with you and trying to put you in a position of characterizing you, or categorizing you as something you are not. What does that tell you about debate and free speech in the country today?

BENNETT: It's bad. You know, if you could do an analysis -- it would be interesting to do an analysis. All day I've been reading reports and statements by people about me, Sean, and it's interesting, some use the whole quote and are fair, some don't. And that tells you something. But the problem, I think, on the liberal side, the democratic side is they attitudinize, they condemn but they don't have a program.

You know, the president -- I hope the president pays for this program in New Orleans, but he's got a program, and it's some interesting ideas about enterprise zones and school choice, and giving people opportunities, you know, with the loans and the green lining and they ought to be tried. Because these are ideas that might actually help the poor as opposed to maintaining the welfare state, which does not help poor people at all. It's destroyed a lot of families and it has created circumstances in which more poor people and more black people have had to suffer. What's lifted, the economic life and reduced crime in the black community has been hope and opportunity and education and enterprise.

HANNITY: Let me ask you one last question.

BENNETT: And that I think is much more, I have to tell you on this side of the aisle, I want to politicize this because there are good people on both sides.

HANNITY: Explain. I want you to explain, though, for people that see that one quote, that read that one quote, what do you say to them?

BENNETT: What I say to them, Sean, is if they were given the impression that I, you know, am in favor of such a horrible idea as, you know, my critics are suggesting, they need to look at the whole quote. I don't believe that. And I'm sorry that people have misrepresented my views so much that that has given folks that impression. You're right about a person's life. I've got a life, you know, take me in the totality of my actions and I'll tell you, I will stand with my record.

One must be very careful one gets into these arguments and we try to do it. But, you know, we try on this show to do serious and controversial issues. And it's a big country and it's a free country. We don't put liberals down. We don't put people down with whom we disagree. We talk about serious things in a serious way. And if you're not allowed to talk about these subjects, then it's not the country it's supposed to be.

You've got to be able to condemn these horrible ideas as I did.

HANNITY: Bill Bennett, appreciate you being on the program.

BENNETT: Thank you. Thank you guys.

HANNITY: Thank you very much.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:32 PM
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28. "..and I appreciate you putting it on the screen, morally reprehensible.."
:wtf: does that mean. Was Faux supplying the words Bennet was to say via teleprompter?
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nonews Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:22 PM
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26. Jesse Jackson,,,
Sharpton et al have said that there are more blacks in prison then whites so the logic is if more blacks are aborted, they will not grow up and end up in prison.
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progressivejazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:39 PM
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29. Really? When and where?
And is it really true that there are more blacks in prison than whites?

Or are you just making this all up?
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:05 PM
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33. But we live in a society
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 03:07 PM by Tomee450
in which blacks are arrested, charged, and prosecuted for crimes whites get away with. They are also far more likely to be convicted. In many cases, blacks and whites who have committed the same crimes are given different sentences. Blacks are often given long prison terms while whites are given lighter sentences or a slap on the wrist. So while it may be true that many blacks are in prison, that does not mean they commit more crimes.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 05:27 PM
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37. there are more 'blacks' in the military (proportionately) than
whites, so the war-mongering white elite would be shooting themselves in the foot- or worse -

37 percent of the military are non-white.
80 percent of the "Officers" in the military are white.

An African-American makes 77 cents for every 1.00 that a white person makes for the EXACT SAME JOB.

Equality is not here- and is going in the absolutely WRONG direction with this republican elitist rich right wing agenda.

America was built by the 'little' people- it is being destroyed by the fat cats.

But they are killing themselves in the process.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:44 PM
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30. Wiki bio

William John Bennett (born July 3, 1943) served as United States Secretary of Education from 1985 to 1988. He was also the first person to occupy the post of "drug czar".

Bennett was born in Brooklyn, New York. After moving to Washington, DC, he attended Gonzaga College High School. He graduated from Williams College, and went on to get a PhD from the University of Texas in Political Philosophy. He also has a law degree from Harvard Law School.

From 1976 to 1981, he was the executive director of the National Humanities Center, a private research facility in North Carolina. In 1981, President Ronald Reagan appointed him to head the National Endowment for the Humanities, where he served until Reagan appointed him Secretary of Education in 1985. Bennett resigned from this post in 1989 and, later that year, was appointed to the post of Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy by President Bush. He was confirmed by the Senate in a 97-2 vote.

Long active in United States Republican Party politics, he is now an author, speaker, and host of the weekday radio program Morning in America.

Bennett's best-known work may be The Book of Virtues: A Treasury of Great Moral Stories, which he edited; he has also authored and edited ten other books, including The Childrens Book of Virtues and The Death of Outrage: Bill Clinton and the Assault on American Ideals.

Bennett and his wife, Elayne, have two sons, John and Joseph.


"...let the Full Divine Justice reign throughout the land in all official places. See that all authority is in the hands of Thy trained and trusted Messengers; that they may govern fully all governmental offices in America, and be ever divinely sustained; that America be healed, blessed, and forever prosper; that all sinister influence be consumed and forever repelled from within the borders of America."

America We Love You
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:46 PM
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31. PNAC founder and signer of January 26, 1998 letter to Clinton

January 26, 1998

The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President:

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Husseins regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.

The policy of containment of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraqs chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of Saddams secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons.

Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the worlds supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President, the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat.

Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.

We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council.

We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.


Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitage William J. Bennett

Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky

Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad

William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W. Rodman

Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber

Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:47 PM
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32. Because they've built a media machine that will cover for any stupid
thing they say or do, the things they say and do will only get more stupid.

They walk off the edge of the cliff, blind to any feedback, telling themselves it's the most brilliant step they could possibly take.

The evil movement that calls itself conservative assumes wealthy white male christian supremacy, without even thinking.

They are always going on about others inferiority, and about how they are the most discriminated against group possible.

They play to such prejudices.

Others are welcome, as long as they're willing to kiss wealthy white male christian butt.

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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:32 PM
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34. Ouch!
But right on! Their hypocrisy is despicable.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:42 PM
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35. What the freepers are saying about Bennett (I feel so unclean!!!!!!)

First, they are freeping a poll at
Were William Bennett's Comments Over The Line?
Current numbers:
Choice Votes Percentage of 681 Votes
Yes 190 28%
No 479 70%
Unsure 12 2%

It is Channel 5 in Dallas. When they started freeping it the numbers were 67% NO, 30% YES

Comments on Bennett:

Regardless of what Mr. Bennett meant to say, this was a pretty stupid statement. When will stupid RINOcrats and republicans quit shooting themselves in the foot? Another self-inflicted wound.

Castration would be cheaper.

Just goes to show how closely Damocrats listen or if they hear, how limited their understanding is of what was said. Outside of being evil they are just plain stupid as well. If they weren't so nasty one would pity it is..

The statement was no more racist then saying you could abort every black baby in this country, and your poverty rate would go down
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 03:04 AM
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38. Too many people feel "safe" with blatant racism now - SEE THESE EXAMPLES:
Originally published by Miami New Times 2005-09-22

Savage Station

WFTL-850 AM was an oasis of local talk; now it's just another haven for hate
By Bob Norman

As if Hurricane Katrina victims didn't have enough going against them, now they're the latest targets of hate radio. Just listen to WFTL-AM (850), the 50,000-watt home of the Florida Marlins. It's also the home of some of the most radical right-wing voices in America.

One regular syndicated host, Atlanta-based Neil Boortz, contended after the disaster struck that a "huge percentage" of the evacuees from New Orleans were "parasites, like ticks on a dog." Then he warned, "They are coming to a community near you."

When a caller remarked that most of the evacuees were fat, Boortz readily agreed. "They didn't drown because you couldn't push them underwater if you had to," he chortled.

Then there's Kelley Mitchell, who spent a week broadcasting at the Houston Astrodome among flood victims. Mitchell, a big-boned blond who spent years on South Florida television news stations, didn't seem too concerned about the harrowing stories from the people in the stadium. Instead she was virtually obsessed with the reports of looting and railed for days against the alleged behavior of poor New Orleans blacks during the disaster. She took to calling the state "Lose-iana" and announced she was boycotting any monetary donations to the victims.


Read on - the hate rant goes on and on. As Kelley Mitchell puts it, ""When I see bad behavior ... that's when it became about race. Whoever got over deep-seated prejudices is now wondering if it was right to do so."

And read the heart-rending story of the buses of Beaumont TX evacuees who were not allowed even to stop for food or water or a tollet break as they fled the Hurricane Rita:

EVACUATION "like a horror movie"

By: Robert Lopez , The Enterprise

DALLAS - Alex LeBlanc left Beaumont on Thursday to begin a 50-hour bus trip across East Texas. What he experienced, he said, was "like a horror movie."

He couldn't get off the bus to buy food. The drivers were exhausted. And he couldn't go to the bathroom.

"Just had to wait," he said. "I tried to drink as little as I could, but I'm a diabetic. I need a lot of fluids."

LeBlanc was one of about 3,000 evacuees who fled Hurricane Rita aboard a convoy of about 50 Beaumont Independent School District school buses. The drivers originally were scheduled to pull into Lufkin, but were prevented from stopping there. That pattern continued until they reached Canton, about 250 miles from Beaumont, at about daybreak Saturday.

(snip - much more and we should all read it.)

One of the legacies of the neocons: hate of all kinds is now IN. This must be opposed, like the sorry spewings of Bennet about aborting black babies. What kind of country can we ever have if this kind of hateful, violence-inciting ranting is not only allowed but ENCOURAGED in mass market media? It's not just Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage any more - it's a major wave and it must be fought. Hate sells, hate entertains, hate is popular with all too many people. These hatemongering rants also have a direct effect on young people of all races.

Ah yes, the Culture of Life, the ones who claim to be followers of Jesus.
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39. 57 members of Congress have signed Rep. Conyers letter to Salem Radio
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