Thank you ANSWER for fucking this whole thing up. All those people

[smartvoter]

there and all the country gets to see is ANSWER's agenda.

[seabeyond]

1. yup, all those people, and yup what answer did, shame n/t

[KyndCulture]

2. Cspan is only showing the ANSWER rally,

I've been on the phone with people there, this is BY FAR not the main thing going on.

[blm]

21. Cspan is loyal to BushInc - what do you expect them to focus on?

They have just marginalized Cindy Sheehan and the antiwar protest by keeping the main focus on ANSWER.

That was the job they were given and they are doing it.

Cindy Sheehan will become part of ANSWER and their agenda in the media, even though that is NOT her message.

[jasmeel]

3. I don't understand. What do you mean? I thought there was alot

of Palestine talk for a march against the war in Iraq. Too much talking, more marching!!

[stillcool]

4. Are you going to judge the entire day...

on a couple of speeches? Hard to please, don't you think? Hopefully other people are a little more open-minded, and don't use such a wide paint brush...

[loudsue]

5. No go with that. Nuh-uh. ANSWER screws up EVERYTHING,

and they always have, always do.

THEY ARE NOT THE ANTI-WAR PROTESTERS! They are VERY well funded by big money to keep making real anti-war protesters look stupid and scattered.

Anti-war protesters need to start protesting ANSWER.

:kick:

[Chautauqua]

11. You do have to wonder

How much ANSWER money comes from Saudi sources - maybe once or twice removed. Kills several birds with one stone. Blames everything on Israel, distracts from the Saudis and the oil money involved in the war, splits the left... Really pretty effective. Surprised they're that clever or that we're stupid enough to let them get away with it.

[derby378]

15. Welcome to DU!

Interesting concept there. I hear stories of where ANSWER's money comes from, too, but I don't have any hard data.

[Chautauqua]

45. Thanks for the welcome

Should be fun.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

38. Hi Chautauqua! Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Chautauqua]

46. Another

thanks for the welcome

[skooooo]

42. do you have evidence?

Or are you just spewing rumors?

Besides that, the Saudis are our "friends." That's what GW tells us.

[Chautauqua]

47. Actually

I'm just speculating. I don't have access to their donor list or the time or money to look at who is on that list but it wouldn't be unheard of, now would it?

[Atman]

6. You must not be familiar with ANSWER, stillcool

This is their MO. Any time there is an anti-war rally, they show up and yammer endlessly about Palestine. Every damn time. It isn't "a couple of speeches." They will do this all day. They always do.

[stillcool]

8. Do you think.....

that perhaps....just this once....you could actually let the day play out...Before...condemning it...nevermind...have a great day!

[Atman]

13. I am NOT condemning the day. I am condemning ANSWER

"We" had three hours of live coverage on CSPAN, which ends in 15 minutes. The entire three hours was wasted on ANSWER'S blathering about Palestine.

Sure, the march will continue. It will grow and get bigger. But what will the media and the public outside of DC see? Nothing. Nothing but hilights of ANSWERS three hours of yammering.

[stillcool]

20. They will...as you...see what they want to see...

and interpret it to the light they like best. Sorry you're disappointed. I did not expect ANY televised coverage other than Democracy Now Link-tv @ 3pm, and this segue has not diminished the spirit of this day at all in my eyes.

[loudsue]

25. You sure are an ANSWER apologist! Every thread you keep standing

up for these people who are, and always have, phucked up the anti-war marches with a bunch of scattered blather.

I'm sick and tired of hearing you apologize for them! You either don't understand what they're doing, or who they are, and how they're phucking up what we're trying to do...or you DO understand it, and are part of the problem.

Either way...you need to start thinking this through a little bit more, and become aware of what's going on.

We've been through this with ANSWER for YEARS. They are part of the problem for the anti-war movement...not part of the solution. And their supporters aren't helping.

:kick:

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[loudsue]

33. Where have you been?

C-spam ALWAYS covers ANSWER at these rallies...have been since c-spams masters took over the country. Why? Because ANSWER is stupid, and it helps the media in their drive to make all of us appear to be associated with ANSWER, and to make us all appear stupid, scattered, and extremist.

We've been seeing ANSWER on cspam for years.

[stillcool]

34. STOP!!!

Amy Goodman's on Link-tv channel 375...live...go chill.

[astonamous]

7. I agree. The day has just begun and ANSWER did do a lot

to help put this thing together. I have seen many different speakers and just remember our support of Israel has a lot to do with the mess we are in today as a country.

[Atman]

10. This can't be a NUANCED issue..."America" isn't bright enough for that

Sorry to say. This needs to be a focused message. My in-laws wouldn't know what the hell Palestine has to do with this war, and they wouldn't care. The message must be DIRECTLY about this illegal war, not about the last 2000 years of history. This is BULLSHIT, and it is partially why these marches are so ineffectual. It makes us look scattered, disjointed, not knowing even what the hell we're upset about, which in turn allows the politicians to dismiss the whole event.

[K-W]

16. nevermind EOM

[frankly_fedup2]

19. Were you involved in this one? (nt)

[astonamous]

29. Oh yeah...I forgot. I am enjoying the speaches, but then again

I have been paying attention for the past 25 years.

[stevietheman]

31. I guess it's up to the blogs to do the *real* reporting on this event. n/t

n/t

[papau]

12. No= support for Israel has little to do with the US mess - GOP sell out

to the rich and corporate and war suppliers has a lot to with the mess in the US.

Saudi money and GOP blame Israel types money, I suspect, has a lot to do with Answer's agenda.

[annabanana]

14. the crowd has left.. they have joined the march

Will says 250k people are surrounding the Whitehouse..
http://www.truthout.org/campcaseydc.shtml

We are reduced to watching the crowds on trafficcams
GODDAM TRAFFICCAMS!

http://www.trafficland.com/findacam/trafficvideo.php?uid=0&map=142

[Emit]

18. annabanana

(I love that name!) I can't get the trafficland link to show anything? I'll try a different route, but is it working for you? TX in advance for checking your link.

[annabanana]

22. try clicking sround on the little green dots

biggest crowd at 15th St NW at Constitution NW

keep trying.. it gets overloaded
http://www.trafficland.com/findacam/trafficvideo.php?uid=0&map=142

[Emit]

24. I just get a blank page

But I did find this:

http://app.ddot.dc.gov/services_dsf/traffic_cameras/map_15.asp

[frankly_fedup2]

36. We give foreign aid to the palestinian people. They just let their

leaders keep the money while they live in squalor and have no jobs. The only ones that do have jobs are not getting them from their Arab brothers either. They go into Israel and work. Even with all the suicide bombers and all the other BS that has been going on there since the land was given to the Jews; however, they allow Palestinians to come into Israel to go to school as well as work.

The only thing we have done was not let them annihilate the Jews. Also, it was the U.N. who made the decision to give the Jews Israel, not the U.S.'s decision.

Also, if the Palestinians get any weapons, they are American made just like Israel's are.

I know the U.S. is not innocent on any counts; however, nothing can justify 9/11 or any terrorist attack. (not saying that you are).

[LSK]

9. the sheeple can only judge based on what they see on TV

And for a while, they were seeing an ANSWER rally against the occupation of Palestine.

[Contrary1]

32. A couple? n/t

[librechik]

17. Yeah, why do the fucking COMMIES always fuck it up for us

er--commies...

Really, could they follow the stereotype of boring shrill treehuggers a little more stridently please? I'm not incited enough.

sorry folks, just sayin let's get some freaking FOCUS or we are going NOWHERE!

Just stick to three or four ANTIWAR/ANTIBUSH speakers and leave all the other causes for another time, K?

they do this to us everytime, they're like a Mafia for protestors. Why do they get to run things?

[Journeyman]

26. Winston Smith found that The Brotherhood was state run. . .

and that all dissent was compromised by control from above. Just saying.

[smurfygirl]

23. this is really pissing me off...what the fuck

about Iraq????

When are we gonna talk about IRAQ?????

[tjdee]

27. Man, fuck ANSWER.

I'm starting to wonder if there's a plant or two there.

AFAIK, this wasn't the "ANSWER rally", and I'd like to know who let them steamroll over this. Was it the money?

:grr:

[fishnfla]

28. I cant watch, are they screeching into the microphone again?

One of the reasons I'm not there...

[butterfly77]

35. I didn't want to hear all that shit....

I knew before it was over there would be some of the same old people giving the same old speeches.Let the rally be what it was suppose to be about,everybody wants to be seen. Now fox will show these people with all of these other issues and will make brainwashed viewers believe this is what it was all about.

[frankly_fedup2]

37. I'm glad I didn't donate any money. I started to; however, after seeing

how we, the Democratic Party, have been duped again, I'm relieved I have not donated.

The Democratic Party, I think, should have a lot of answering to do regarding this "supposed" anti-war protest and bring the troops home. No wonder there were not any other politicians there but Cynthia McKinney there.

Mike Malloy was bitching about it Thursday night and I agreed with him. Now, I completely understand why none were there.

I'm embarrased for my party that is going to get T-R-A-S-H-E-D tomorrow by a despicable group of people that think Bush is their savior. I know, they would trash us anyway, call us unAmerican, traitors, against the troops, etc. But having all these speeches that had nothing at all to do with bringing our troops home and ending this war of profit for them, but obviously having its own agenda, and one that not all Dems agree with, they are going to have a field day. I'm not even going to turn it on.

[Fatima]

39. There's been great coverage on Link TV

If any of you have it...no need to suffer thru CSPAN.

my 2 cents on ANSWER...I used to subscribe to their email, signed a couple of petitions, etc and ended up with mailings from the Communist Party, which really pissed me off since I have a security clearance I'd like to hang on to...it puts "food on my family" (nyuk nyuk). Seriously, I don't need that shit in my life, so I curtailed any and all dealings with these people. Not interested in the communist thing at all and didn't appreciate the mail.

[RepublicanElephant]

40. so what if...

the big-name activists just stopped showing-up at answer rallies?

[Emit]

41. It's not so much ANSWER

As it is CSPAN for only covering ANSWER and for lack of MSM coverage, IMHO.

[Ksec]

43. This should have been AntiWar ONLY.

No other issues should have been allowed to dilute the message

[Mr_Spock]

44. It was very uncomfortable watching those shrill people

I wish the guy nudging them to hurry up would have just tackled them and knocked the camera over. It was such an emrarrassing moment.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

48. It's not ANSWER's fault if they organize/coordinate the biggest march...

Shouldn't other organizations and groups with a less clouded message sponsor demonstrations outside the auspices of ANSWER to avoid these problems? :shrug:

[RepublicanElephant]

49. yeah...

...a moveon.org protest would be cool.