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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:55 AM
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Able Danger ties Condi Rice to Chinese espionage! (really!)
Now we find out why Able Danger was shut down in Feb. 2001, one month after Condi Rice becomes National Security Advisor:

Mr. Weldon said he thinks Able Danger was shut down after a "profile" of Chinese weapons proliferation linked two Americans to Chinese students at Stanford University engaged in technology acquisition for China.

During the profile, the names of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, at the time the Stanford University provost, and former Defense Secretary William Perry were mentioned in the data and created "a wave of controversy," he said.

After Congress sought the data, "tremendous pressure was placed on the Army, because this was a prototype operation, and they shut down the Able Danger operation," Mr. Weldon said.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050921-102450-4688r.htm

I've been puzzling over Able Danger since coming across some obscure articles like this one mentioning Chinese espionage ties to a "university provost and a former high ranking government official," but now those references make sense.

Intrigue Over Able Danger Grows

WTOP - Federal News Radio
September 1, 2005
http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?sid=558226&nid=251&pid=4

That story is based on info from Able Danger team member J.D. Smith. I also happened to catch Able Danger whistleblower Anthony Shaffer on MSNBC's "The Big Idea" on Aug. 23rd, and he speculated that the reason Able Danger was shut down was because it had accidentally brought up ties between prominent Americans and overseas criminal activity. He didn't get any more specific except to say it wasn't connected to al-Qaeda. So this is undoubtedly another reference to Condi Rice and William Perry.

No wonder the Pentagon specifically refused to let Anthony Shaffer and J.D. Smith testify before Congress today! They sat in the room but were not allowed to speak. I hope the DUers who have seen Able Danger as merely some kind of Curt Weldon smear campaign against Clinton can see now that there's much more to it. If the full story gets out, its probably going to slam the Bush administration hard. No wonder, for instance, when Weldon says he gave the Able Danger chart showing Atta's photograph to Condi Rice's assistant Steve Hadley just after 9/11, the chart was "lost" and the whole story was buried. Hadley and Rice are very close, and Hadley has since taken over Rice's job as National Security Advisor.

When Able Danger was shut down there still was seven months to follow up its leads connecting Mohamed Atta to al-Qaeda, but instead the program was shut down to protect Condi Rice?!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:58 AM
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1. Sen. Specter says the public has a right to know about Able Dan.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:10 AM
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2. kicking for US traitor Imeldaleeza Rice.
:kick:

NGU.


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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:17 AM
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3. Hmmm. Isn't Washington Times a Mooney paper?
Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 01:19 AM by DLnyc
(edited out typo)

Could this be a tactic to steer suspicion off the area of neocon LIHOP or MIHOP of 9/11?

Don't know a lot about this, but how would Atta's face implicate Kindasleezy in a spy case?
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:29 AM
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4. Yes it is
Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 01:32 AM by paulthompson
And Curt Weldon has some ties to the Moonies, too, I understand. And Bill Gertz is a right wing hack of a reporter. But that doesn't matter much because the real question is what do the five or six known Able Danger whistleblowers say? After all, this story is just an account of what happened at the Arlen Specter run Congressional hearings today.

I've spoken to Sibel Edmonds on this, and she's spoken to some of the whistleblowers (Anthony Shaffer just joined her whistleblower group). She says that Weldon is keen on this story because he's hoping it'll damage Clinton (nevermind the collateral damage to the likes of Condi), but the whistleblowers themselves are honest people who just want to get the truth out and are trying not to be used by people with axes to grind. But it's a tough thing to do since most everyone in DC has an axe or two to grind. Most everyone seems keen to ignore the whole China aspect because it makes both Democrats (Perry) and Republicans (Rice) look bad.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 07:50 AM
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18. I don't see how Curt will succeed in his efforts to pin this on Clinton.
Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 07:54 AM by The Backlash Cometh
It sounds like someone STOPPED Able Danger BEFORE it got up the chain of command. So he's proving just the opposite. What we do know is that Dennis Hasteret was part of the inside circle in 2000. Shortly after, the lawyers put a muzzle on the information.

So, how can Curt claim that Clinton knew?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:13 AM
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24. bipartisan foreign policy BUT Bush pulled the trigger
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 11:10 AM
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29. Wow. And thank you.
This is a wild ride.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 11:19 AM
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31. Bill Gertz is MORE than a RW hack reporter - He's Moon's #1 'son' and has
been a rewriter of history on every event....pinning the blame every time on Clinton, while fawning over any actions taken by Poppy or dimson.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 02:52 PM
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35. This story is not about Gertz
or Weldon, or the Moonies. I've given some of this info to some liberal reporters and they're VERY interested in doing a story on this, as soon as the whole hurricane thing calms down. Everyone is a bit obsessed by that at the moment.

Again, it goes back to what did the whistleblowers actually do and know? Everything else is just spin. I think the right wing in trying to get ahead of this story to spin it as well as they can, but there's still a truth there that they need to "manage" that is very damning for Rice and others.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 02:57 PM
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36. That was my point. That's what Gertz does. He spins culpability away from
BushInc whenever he can. I make the point in other posts as well.

He always tries to get ahead of any story they fear coming down against them. He did that exact same thing on 9-11 with a book purportedly from the CIA insider view and Clinton was portrayed as if he systematically destroyed the CIA so 9-11 happened.

He did the same with the looted munitions in Iraq when he spread the lie that Russia looted them.

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 07:11 AM
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13. yes, the only thing that keeps the Times in business
is the Moonie money. They lose money hand over fist, but are kept afloat by Moon. However, that gives them a platform to go on Fox News & MSNBC, and to also get quoted on Rush, O'Reilly, Hannity, etc.
and that is their true effect.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 03:03 AM
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39. and frequently on Diane Rhems' show (+ never IDed as a Moonie paper)
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 02:28 AM
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5. More here.
Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 02:30 AM by Wilms
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 02:59 AM
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6. How do you think Condi made head salesman?

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:36 AM
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28. Poppy just loves China, and didn't Condi used to work for him?
Christ, a two year old could connect those dots!
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 03:14 AM
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7. Thanks Paul, for all you do and have done! You are one of our heroes.
This one just does kinda tie more together, doesn't it?

Darned it all.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 03:46 AM
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8. Hi, Paul. Here's something I put together on the subject.
Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494524

Are you going to be in DC this weekend? Let's get together.

- Mark
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 04:36 AM
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10. Wow! Thanks!
I had no idea about this stuff. Great work.

For anyone else, check not only Mark's essay, but also the links here:

Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, the veteran Army officer who was the Defense Intelligence Agency liaison to Able Danger, told The Post China "had something to do" with the decision to restructure Able Danger.

Sources said the private contractors, using sophisticated computer software that sifts through massive amounts of raw data to establish patterns, came up with a chart of Chinese strategic and business connections in the U.S.

The program wrongly tagged Rice, who at the time was an adviser to then-candidate George W. Bush, and former Defense Secretary William Perry by linking their associations at Stanford, along with their contacts with Chinese leaders, sources said.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/52673.htm

I would suggest the "wrongly" is right wing spin, esp. in light of the next story:

Condoleezza Rice, national security adviser to President Bush, has recently granted an interview to virtually every reporter but me. Perhaps it is because I keep asking her questions about the Chinese spy in her past.

...

Yet it is her years at Stanford working with Perry that have rendered Rice silent. While working at Stanford, she became involved in the most successful Chinese army penetration of the Clinton Defense Department. She will not answer questions about her relationship with Chinese spy Hua Di.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/1/23/203153.shtml

Interesting that the Newsmax story is from late January 2001, probably days from when the Able Danger program was shut down (said to take place in Feb 2001). That in itself is very damning.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:28 AM
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21. Paul, I think this goes WAY back with BushInc. I believe that back in the
70s when Poppy was in China, he made a deal with the Chinese industrialists there that also catapulted WalMart into the behemoth it has become.

For the last few decades, his brother has been heavily involved in deal-making in China, and even headed the US-China Chamber of Commerce.

Hard to believe it's just coincidence that WalMart grew to dominate this nation's retail and China now is buying US debt...both, thanks to the Bush family.

I think it's all part of the network working towards global fascism, and Chinese industrialists are working with the Bushes to make it happen.
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smurfygirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 03:52 AM
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9. another traitor in the white house
why am I not surprised
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 11:33 AM
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33. Ohhhh... just look at that cute widdle puppy wid it tongue
sticking out.

:loveya:

My dog sleeps like that. :7
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:49 AM
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11. Yet another explantion for Condi-sleaze-a...
lying before the 9.11 Commission--"Bin Laden determined to strike...just an historical document....BS.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:59 AM
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12. Thanks paulthompson for everything you've done
Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 07:03 AM by seemslikeadream
BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER


http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html WATCH THIS VIDEO


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678


DIA Agents were ordered to put yellow Post-its over Atta's face and the face's of 3 other 9/11 terrorists

"We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn't exist," the intelligence officer told GSN."

Intel agents Michael Shaffer and Scott Philpott have confirmed Rep. Weldon's claims that a chart with Atta's face, soon the photos of 3 other members of the 9-11 terror team, were known to DIA team Able Danger by early 2000.

This diary will show that Pete Schoomaker and Philip Zelikow are two of the main Perpetraitors in this scandal, that they deliberately withheld information from the President of the United States that would have prevented 9/11, that they and their neo-con rulers Let It Happen On Purpose.

Of this there can no longer be any doubt.



MUST READ - RE: ABLE DANGER INFO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4447706

Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x149481


Able Danger: Short Time-line
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4441903

Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494524



Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
Thursday, August 25, 2005


Able Danger (search) is the code name for a military-intelligence unit that apparently learned a year before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta (search) and other terrorists were already in the United States.

One of the central Able Danger claims that military lawyers blocked the sharing of the Atta information from the FBI in the late summer and early fall of 2000 will be a focus of the committee's if a hearing takes place, FOX News has confirmed.

Some analysts involved with Able Danger have recently gone public with their findings, saying they were discouraged from looking further into Atta, and their attempts to share their information with the FBI were thwarted, because Atta was a legal foreign visitor at the time.

"This story needs to be told. The American people need to be told what could have been done to prevent 3,000 people from losing their lives," said Rep. Curt Weldon (search), R-Pa.

Weldon drew attention to Able Danger by speaking about it on the House floor and publicly calling for the Sept. 11 commission to explain why the intelligence information wasn't detailed in its final report.

Some Able Danger analysts, including Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer (search) and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott (search), claim that in October 2003, they told commission staffers of the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in the United States in 2000.


more
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166800,00.html


Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1727804&mesg_id=1727804




Condi in Middle of Able Danger Cover Up"

Weldon is now saying that the Pentagon cover up of able danger will shake the country to its roots."

...

If the claims made by the Able Danger participants and Rep. Weldon are confirmed, former National Security Adviser Rice and other Bush Administration officials will face a barrage of questions. First would likely be an inquiry into why the administration unceremoniously axed the Able Danger project in May of 2001.

During an August 20th interview on C-Spans Washington Journal, Able Danger member Lt. Col. Schaffer posed a question of his own:

"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? Thats the big question right now, we have to ask that. I dont know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, Im a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger. Thats what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, Im talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."


more...

http://www.theinternationalpost.com/z30082005.html

Congressman Weldon -- Why now? Why ever?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4500623

Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three more people associated with a secret U.S. military intelligence team have asserted that the program identified September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda suspect inside the United States more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

The Pentagon said a three-week review had turned up no documents to back up the assertion, but did not rule out that such documents relating to the classified operation had been destroyed.

Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott and Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer last month came forward with statements that a secret intelligence program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Atta, the lead hijacker in the attacks that killed 3,000 people, in early 2000. Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), vice chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, also went public with the allegations.

Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told reporters that as part of the review, the Pentagon interviewed 80 people.

Downs said that three more people, as well as Phillpott and Shaffer, recalled the existence of an intelligence chart identifying Atta by name. Four of the five recalled a photo of Atta accompanying the chart, Downs said.

Pentagon officials declined to identify the three by name, but said they were an analyst with the military's Special Operations Command, an analyst with the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center and a contractor who supported the center.

Downs said all five were considered "credible people."

But officials said an exhaustive search of tens of thousands of documents and electronic files related to Able Danger failed to find the chart or other documents corroborating the identification of Atta. Phillpott has said Atta was identified by Able Danger by January or February of 2000.

"We have not discovered that chart," Downs said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/security_attacks_pentagon_dc


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1744982&mesg_id=1744982

Specter Wants Answers About 'Able Danger'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1796658&mesg_id=1796658

NOW - ON CAPITOL HILL - Able Danger Inquiry CSPAN3 9:30am et
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4836496

:hi:
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true_con Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 07:26 AM
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14. Wow!
I had heard that the repukes were gleeful over this because it might finally be proof of Clinton's culpability in 9/11. Now I understand why they have not been so loud about it lately. When are americans going to understand? I have now gone from skeptic to full on MIHOP. Throw the bum out and bring the troops home!
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 03:08 AM
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40. Savage was furious abt this Tues..said it was 'biggest story in my lifetim
time'
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 07:44 AM
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15. The right-wingers are going to flip over this!
Remember, they blamed Clinton for Chinese espionage, but it looks likes their own side was behind these shenanigans.

I'm predicing it, the day will come when right-wingers will be sending cigars to Bill Clinton with their letters of apology.
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atomic-fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 07:44 AM
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16. there is so much evidence....
when will something actually matter. Nothing has had any effect on these
creeps.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 07:48 AM
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17. Someone in the Bush administration commiting espionage against the US?
Yeah right. The next thing you know you will be trying to tell they exposed a CIA agent. Don't you know that if anyone in the White House even thought about commiting treason against the USA. The US Constitution would bust out of it's vault, run out of the Smithsonian, go straight to the White House, and drag that person off to jail. That's how Congress knew Reagans declaration of a paramilitary war against Americans wasn't treason. The US Constitution didn't drag him off to jail. Now they are waiting to see if it will go after Bush. So far the US Constitution is exhibiting no signs of life.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:04 AM
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19. Is Condi the real brains behind the beast?
Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 08:05 AM by jsamuel
The beast known as the Bush administration...
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:14 AM
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20. I watched some of the hearing on C-Span...
...Biden showed up briefly. I'm not a big fan of Joe Biden, but he scored a few points with me when he protested the DOD's silencing witnesses with a "Rumsfeld gag order".

Definitely highlighted the dots connecting the DOD with its boss.
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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:28 AM
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22. they are ALL f'in traitors and should be executed!
i'm so tired of these self serving repukes allowing thousands of innocent americans and countless people from other countries to die for their own interests. when does the people's revolution begin?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:10 AM
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23. Interesting Moonie Times article but I don't trust Gertz
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:17 AM
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26. I trust him about as far as I could through the fat fucker n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 11:16 AM
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30. Gertz peddles and spins every story to rewrite history AGAINST Clinton and
FOR Poppy Bush and his spawn.

That's his main Moonie job.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 11:24 AM
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32. Which is why I wouldn't run far with this article of his.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:14 AM
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25. My reading of tea leaves: impeachment will include 9/11 and
Able Danger is the GOP way of letting Dems know they won't get off the hook if they were in on the joke.
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:20 AM
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27. this is the most amazing computer program ever
now we are all getting dependent on this shit like it'll save us. This able danger is like HAL, let run amuk it will try AND KILL US. I think there is alot to be said about the links and the cover up but I think the story isn't so much able danger as is ALOT OF OTHER EVIDENCE that the pentagon knew about ATTA and some of the others and the POTENTIAL FOR A PEARL HARBOR TYPE EVENT.

It "almost" sounds like the pentagon was sick and tired of the post cold war cutbacks and was itching to find an excuse any fucking excuse to get their pre-cold war budget increases back. mother fuckers, every last one of them.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 11:42 AM
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34. It seems like daily the BFEE hydra just keeps growing more heads. n/t
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 03:31 PM
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37. We still need a timeline
for all the dates that Crownies, Traitors, Friends & Family, PNAC'ler take over power...
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 04:58 PM
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38. I don't know about that...
But I should have an Able Danger timeline ready pretty soon.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 03:10 AM
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41. This and Jack "the Lobbyist" Abramoff about to get caught too!
Too bad we have that bid distraction in the Gulf.
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