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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:21 PM
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Hurricane Katrina death tolls reported by state & local officials ..Sat
Reported Katrina Deaths, State by State
The Associated Press
Published: Sep 17, 2005

Hurricane Katrina death tolls reported by state and local officials as of Saturday:

ALABAMA: 2

FLORIDA: 14

GEORGIA: 2

LOUISIANA: 579

MISSISSIPPI: 219

TOTAL: 816

AP-ES-09-17-05
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:30 PM
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1. this is just way too low
It just doesn't add up to the "hundreds of bodies" see by reporters, witnesses and all of the stories.

I really am beginning to think they are repressing the numbers.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:40 PM
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3. With Kenyon (SCI)
involved, will we be able to believe the numbers? I don't feel good about it.

Did they retrieve the rest of the dolphins?

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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:52 PM
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15. do those numbers count the mass graves FEMA is bulldozing at night?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:19 AM
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22. You think that no one will notice 1000's of missing people
who never come home again?

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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:32 PM
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2. Fu%%%K That............
Check out TD 18. Oh shi77777T!
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:42 PM
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4. huh?
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:48 PM
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5. qanda-I think his post is about Tropical Depression 18, link in message
So there's a Trop Storm Phillipe, and a TD Eighteen. And the forecast map:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4807750
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:51 PM
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7. Thanks so much
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:49 PM
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6. Without even searching
just from news reports, there 45 in one hospital, over 30 in the nursing home. Then, there were all those who died from the hospitals while they were waiting to be transported out, and others who died during evacuation from the nursing homes.

According to the doctor who was at the Convention Center, (and other witnesses) there were at least 30 to 40 deaths there.

I know that at least one baby died at the Superdome, another was stillborn and we saw at least four bodies outside that structure. Then, there were other bodies inside that building. Two policemen killed themselves, tragically, and there were reports of many suicides. A 16 year-old was shot to death, mistaken for a looter, I recall, his body left on the street.

Witnesses reported seeing bodies and animals, entangled in trees after the water receded in NO. That averages out to be about 100. And that's WITHOUT searching, just what was obvious from news reports.

Anderson Cooper alone, saw two babies die of dehydration and other bodies lying on the side of the road, not to mention all the reports of bodies floating in the water.

So all those should have been quickly retrieved since their locations were already known. They are claiming to have only found another approximately 400 since they began retrieving bodies?

Then there are all those thousands of homes ~ and the news is still reporting that nearly 2,000 children are missing ~

As far as Miss. I saw on the first night, the devastation there, over 17 miles of it, and a report the other day of at least 100 bodies in one area, which they cordoned off. There are hundreds of people looking for relatives and friends still ~ I hope they are right, and that all those who are missing will be found alive.

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buzzsaw_23 Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:56 PM
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8. Had a conversation with a friend
today who stated he had received an e-mail from a Native American friend of his in Miss. who claimed hundreds were missing in the Native Amer. community throughout the ravaged region.

Just hearsay of course and to be discarded into the memory hole as it is not from "officials say" sources.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:57 PM
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9. Maybe they'll count them
like they do in Iraq. Not considered a casualty unless during the storm.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:20 PM
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10. Yes, I know, these are the people who 'don't do body counts'
You're right, as many have said already, Bush has Iraqicized NO. Pretty soon, Rove will figure a way to replace 9/11 as his political crutch, after he finds a way to blame everyone but the Bush administration.

I hope those Native Americans are found alive, but from what I saw of the devastation in Miss. during the first few days, it's hard to believe there won't be a high death toll there also. There were simply miles of flattened homes and businesses, like the Tsunami. The reporter said it's hard to imagine how anyone can ever get to much of it, at least for a very long time. God knows how many people died there. Tens of thousands were not able to evacuate, he said.

Why do we hear nothing from that jerk, Haley Barbour? Everytime I see footage from Miss, I hear nothing but complaints from the residents there. There is no sign of FEMA, or any other kind of help, according to just about everyone I've heard speak there. So, who was responsible for that? Haley seems to be hiding from the cameras all of a sudden.

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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:17 AM
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21. Or they'll ship bodies to another state and count the cause of death
as accidental in some way, much like in Iraq, where they ship the soldiers off to Germany to finish dying so they can take away from the "official" death toll in Iraq.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:28 PM
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11. You've probably seen much of this, but . . .
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 11:31 PM by snot
but just so it doesn't get lost:

Sept 10: 50,000 body bags ordered

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/11196519p-11948351c.h...

Modesto company to deliver more body bags to New Orleans
The government's order for another 50,000 will be filled by about eight firms
By PATRICK GIBLIN
BEE STAFF WRITER

The federal government is trying to purchase an additional 50,000 body bags for use in the Hurricane Katrina cleanup and in Iraq, according to an official for a Modesto manufacturer.
Previously, the Federal Emergency Management Administration purchased 25,000 body bags and shipped them to New Orleans.

"We recently delivered every bag we had in stock, which is about 400," said John Hassapakis, manager of Central Valley Professional Services in Modesto. "Those were sent directly to New Orleans."

This week the government put out a bid for 50,000 more bags, he said.

"They are for backup in Louisiana and for offshore purposes, but it will bemonths before they will be able to getthem," he said. "That's a lot of material."

9/10 Who collects and counts the dead

(Note: the following strikes me as speculative)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ... :
A Stench: Mobile Morgues, Brown, Funeralgate, FEMA - a Cover-up?

I see a travesty taking place, and I need to speak up. FEMA is bringing in a really sleazy outfit to care for, identify and bury Katrina's dead. Worse still, this outfit has big money ties to Bush's Houston buddies, including both the current and previous head of FEMA. And I'm not sure who's in charge, or what their agenda is.

Skip ahead to THE ONGOING SCANDAL below if you want, but please come back and read this too:

Unfortunately, the greater public's attention wanders when we begin talking about dry (!) details like Rove's outing of an operative, but this story has some strong emotional and graphic overtones. Im using the word SCANDAL intentionally. Still, I want to use it responsibly. Watergate WAS a national scandal. BucshCos character assassinations and innuendos are touted as scandals, but they are the tactics of bullies and thugs.

So I don't want to ignore these facts, just because they seem creepy. They've all been cited in mainstream articles. I would appreciate any corrections or further fact-checking.

Read THE SCANDAL PART 1, then THE ONGOING SCANDAL farther down, and finally THE CHILLER.

I organized this basically in this order: Background on who's in charge of FEMA and where they came from; how they became involved with the mobile morgue people; and what seems to be happening now.

How did Brown get appointed? What's his background?
From Time Magazine:
Before joining FEMA, his only previous stint in emergency management, according to his bio posted on FEMA's website, was "serving as an assistant city manager with emergency services oversight." The White House press release from 2001 stated that Brown worked for the city of Edmond, Okla., from 1975 to 1978 "overseeing the emergency services division." In fact, according to Claudia Deakins, head of public relations for the city of Edmond, Brown was an "assistant to the city manager" from 1977 to 1980, not a manager himself, and had no authority over other employees. "The assistant is more like an intern," she told TIME. "Department heads did not report to him."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1103003, ...

More damning statements, from a Daily Kos blogger (and remember, this is just a blog, although its been widely distributed):
"An unmitigated, total fucking disaster." That's not a quote from Mike Brown, but rather, a quote describing him. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/2/34622/68348

How did Mike Brown get to FEMA in the first place?
Joseph Allbaugh, Bush's chief of staff when he served as Governor of Texas, brought him along to FEMA with him:

Allbaugh hired Brown after an acrimonious end to a nine-year stint as commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association. Former officials say he was forced out; a friend and lawyer of Brown's said he negotiated a settlement after withstanding numerous lawsuits against his enforcement of rules for judges and stewards.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...

How did Allbaugh become head of FEMA? Who was he?

FEMA website:
Prior to his appointment, Mr. Allbaugh served as Chief of Staff to then-Governor George W. Bush.
Mr. Allbaugh served as the National Campaign Manager for Bush-Cheney 2000 with responsibility and oversight for all activities related to the Bush election campaign. He had previously served as Campaign Manager for President Bush's first run for Texas governor.
http://www.fema.gov/about/allbaugh/index.shtm

Where is Allbaugh now?
Washington Post:Former FEMA Chief Is at Work on Gulf Coast
After leaving FEMA in March 2003, Allbaugh, who managed the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign, founded Allbaugh Co., a lobbying-consulting firm with many clients in the disaster-relief business.
-snip-
Among those clients are: the KBR division of Haliburton....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...

HERE'S THE SCANDAL, PART ONE:

The Austin Chronicle
Funeralgate Hits Texas

What began as a citizen's complaint against SCI in January 1998 has since grown into a scandal revolving around campaign contributions, and the influence they may buy. All of the politicos who intervened on SCI's behalf received major contributions from SCI's political action committee, or PAC. Did that money convince them to help SCI -- the world's largest death care company -- and to punish the agency that investigated SCI?
-snip-

As a major player in the funeral business, SCI is accustomed to doling out cash in the form of perfectly legal campaign contributions. From 1996 through the 1998 election, SCI's PAC contributed about $113,000 to the campaigns of dozens of politicians. Bush received $35,000 from SCI. Cornyn got $2,000. Moreover, there appears to be a connection between SCI's political giving and actions taken by eleced officials.
-snip-

the scandal promises to grow as the lawsuit -- filed by former TFSC director Eliza May -- works through the discovery process. The suit alleges that May was fired because she "repeatedly and in good faith reported violations of the law and conduct that she reasonably believed to constitute violations of the law." As May's suit goes forward, Bush and the other politicos who helped SCI are scrambling for cover. May's lawyers want to depose Bush.

(Poster's note: the whistleblower lawsuit has been dismissed, yet there are claims that Bush perjured himself or obstructed justice. I am not a lawyer and did not include these as I don't know their validity)
-snip-

A few days later, May alleges, she was called into Allbaugh's office where -- with Waltrip sitting in the same room -- Whitmire interrogated her about the TFSC's investigation into SCI and demanded that she answer his questions about the investigation.
http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol18/issue45/pol ...

OR google: funeralgate allbaugh bush waltrip TFSC or any combination and get your mind blown, if you don't already know this story - oh, yeah, Atty General Gonzales has been all over trying to get this hushed, google his name in connection, too.

THE ONGOING SCANDAL (COVERUP?)

Here's the part I'm not finding ANYWHERE in the news. I pulled the info together yesterday, emailed the Austin Chronicle and a local politician, and now assembled threads for DU.

Here's the story, links follow with details:

SCI Corporation has a wholly-owned subsidiary, Kenyon International, which has been deployed, with a mobile morgue, to NOLA. I'm having a little trouble getting GREAT definitive answers - imagine that! - but everything I see points to this being the mobile morgue in St Gabriel, where the NOLA bodies are being processed without transparency, without autopsies, behind a Bushco veil of secrecy.

FEMA didn't deploy its own DMORT teams to the St. Gabriel warehouse where the mobile morgue is set up, but outsourced that locations administration to Kenyon International. That's right, Joe Albaugh and Michael Brown's FEMA selected them, and FEMA is saying there is neither time nor money for autopsies. If autopsies were performed on randomly-selected bodies, a statistician could use the results to extrapolate a great deal of information about the Katrina deaths; specifically:
--numbers killed by drowning and initial trauma of Katrina itself
--numbers killed by dehydration
--numbers killed by gunshot
--time of death
--were people killed by the natural disaster or the failure of the rescue effort?

I believe that most Americans would not want such a sleazy outfit in charge of the remains. And I must ask: why use a Bush crony to handle this?

From what I can see, by searching Louisiana revised code as well as DMORT.org's website, it's up to the local coroner to make final decisions about death certificates and the need to autopsy. How can FEMA usurp this right?

I'd love to see this story get in front of the American public. I think. Then, again, it's pretty sensational. But entrusting Katrina's bodies to a company that is accused of burying bodies in the woods...?

On September 1, Kenyon posted a press release on its website, and was quoted on CNN's website in an article about St. Gabriel's, but the press release and the reference to a Kenyon representative in CNN's story has been pulled from the internet.

Please take the time to check out these links:

How sleazy is SCI/Kenyon?
Houston Business Journal
Houston-based Service Corp. International, the world's largest funeral and cemetery company, on Tuesday said it agreed to pay $65 million to settle a securities class action lawsuit. The suit had been pending against the company and certain of its current and former officers since January 1999. http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2004/04/19/d ...

The New York Times
$100 Million Settlement Over Remains
The parent company of two cemeteries has agreed to pay $100 million to families who sued it for mishandling and moving remains. The company, the Service Corporation International of Houston, announced the settlement months after a judge certified a class-action lawsuit by 2,000 families in Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach Counties. The settlement will also compensate plaintiffs in related suits against the company and its Menorah Gardens cemeteries in Palm Beach and Broward Counties. Abby Goodnough (NYT)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C01E0DA ...

The New York Times
Funeral Company Accused of Desecration
ABSTRACT - Class-action lawsuit in Florida accuses Service Corp International, largest US funeral company, of desecrating remains in Jewish cemeteries it operates in South Florida; families of deceased charge company with breaking open burial vaults and dumping contents in woods to make room for others.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30612F7 ...

Kenyon is deployed:
PRNewswire
HOUSTON, Sept. 1 /PRNewswire/ -- Kenyon International Emergency Services, the world's leading disaster management company, has activated an emergency action team to respond to the needs of Baton Rouge, Louisiana in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina under an agreement with the US Government and the Department of Homeland Security

Kenyon has deployed one of its fully-equipped mobile morgue kits and a 10-member, specially-trained team to provide morgue support to the area. The mobile morgue includes equipment for search and recovery, victim identification, and pathology. It is one of three mobile morgues held worldwide by Kenyon. Earlier this year, Kenyon also deployed a mobile morgue and a large response team for the tsunami efforts in Phuket, Thailand.

Kenyon International Emergency Services is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Houston-based Service Corporation International (NYSE: SCI). Founded in 1929, the company works with more than 200 clients in both the public and private sector, and has responded to more than 300 mass-fatality incidents in its 75 year history.
For more information, call Jay Kirsch at 281-872-6084 or Jerry Hendin at 425-442-5565 or visit the Kenyon website at http://www.kenyoninternational.com .
PR newswire site: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&S ...

The source of the prnewswire above, including the links to Kenyon Internationl, is the Yahoo business site: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050901/dath045.html?.v=16

Houston Chronicle
Morgue set up in St. Gabriel,Team of forensic specialists called in to help identify the dead
Sept. 6, 2005, 12:57AM

ST. GABRIEL, LA. - The bodies have been tied to trees, floating in the toxic muck and decomposing in the blazing Louisiana sun. Now, officials say the victims of Hurricane Katrina being collected this week from the flooded streets of New Orleans and other damaged areas will be handled with delicate care before they are claimed by loved ones.
As officials began the grim task of pulling bodies off the streets and out of homes, a team of forensic specialists at a makeshift morgue in St. Gabriel, a small town between Baton Rouge and New Orleans, prepared to process the bodies.
-snip-
It won't be a traditional operation, where we would do autopsies and things that would take a vast amount of time," Ellis said. "We want to try and do a good job on the post-mortem collection and inspection side so we can give these folks and opportunity to retrieve their loved ones at some future date.

Baton Rouge Advocate
September 4, 2005
Morgue in works in St. Gabriel
Disaster Mortuary Team to identify victims of hurricane

By MARK F. BONNER
mbonner@theadvocate.com
Advocate staff writer

ST. GABRIEL -- In preparation for the bodies that will be removed from New Orleans in the coming days and weeks, a Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team on Saturday was erecting a temporary morgue in a large warehouse next to the St. Gabriel Police Department off of Iberville Street.

Officials on the scene wearing green "DMORT" shirts would not comment on their presence or their construction efforts, but dump trucks were bustling in and out of the work site.

DMORTs are directed by the National Disaster Medical System -- a sector within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency, Response Division. The teams include funeral directors, medical examiners, coroners, pathologists, forensic anthropologists, medical records technicians and transcribers and fingerprint specialists, according to the National Disaster Medial System Web site.

Don Moreau, the chief of operations for the East Baton Rouge Parish Coroner's Office said Saturday he had been in contact with DMORT officials to inquire if they needed support. Moreau said officials told him that DMORT did not need support from him and said they would be processing 60 bodies a day in recognition and identification procedures.

St. Gabriel Police Chief Kevin J. Ambeau Sr. would not comment on the presence of DMORT and directed a reporter to leave the premises.

Gov. Kathleen Blanco said Saturday that she expects the death toll to reach into the thousands.
http://2theadvocate.com/stories/090405/new_morgue001.sh ...

You can read about DMORT here:
Main Site: http://www.dmort.org /
History of DMORT: http://www.dmort.org/DNPages/DMORTHistory.htm

It was the DMORT WMD team that deployed to St Gabriel (which is 15 miles from Baton Rouge)- you read that right - the WMD team, which was used after September 11. I wish I had time to find out when and how Kenyon International came up with the idea of a mobile morgue capable of deployment by FEMA - when buddy Joe Allbaugh took over the agency?

The posting below is from the DMORT website: http://www.dmort4.com /

UPDATE 8/31/2005 FROM COMMANDER HOWELL:

DMORT Region IV has deployed two 3 person teams to assess the situation in Gulfport and Biloxi, MS. The remainder of the region IV team is currently enroute to Hattiesburg, MS and under the command of Paul Taylor. Region I and II has been deployed to Aniston, AL. Region VII is deployed to Baton Rouge, LA. Region VIII has been deployed to Houston, TX. The mobile morgue in Selma, AL has been deployed to Biloxi, MS. The DMORT WMD Team has been deployed to Baton Rouge, LA. No additional resources have been called at this time, but all DMORT Region IV members should be on standby for possible deployment. If you are a DMORT Region IV member and have not already notified DMORT Command Staff of your availability for deployment, please do so via the contact form on this website.

And here's this, which begs the question: If FEMA can deploy DMORT teams directly, without the layer of paying a subcontractor some profit, too, why wouldn't they? But the following post seems to say that Kenyon is competing with the DMORT teams to bring in qualified DMORT techs.

UPDATE 9/7/2005 FROM COMMANDER HOWELL:
Many DMORT Region IV members are also members of Kenyon International Emergency Services, Inc. Due to the scale of this natural disaster, Kenyon International has contracted with FEMA to provide mortuary services. As a result, many DMORT Region IV members have been contacted about possible deployment with Kenyon. Please be aware of the fact that any deployment with Kenyon is NOT a DMORT mission. Those DMORT members who have already confirmed their deployment status with DMORT Command Staff are expected to remain available for deployment, and should expect to be deployed in the near future. DMORT Region IV will not prevent anyone from deployment with Kenyon. However, any DMORT Region IV member who is unavailable for deployment due to a prior obligation or deployment with another agency such as Kenyon may be asked to step down from the Region IV team so that positions can be available for those making the mission of DMORT Region IV a top priority.

And from the same website, its apparent that FEMA was in no hurry to deploy all their DMORT teams:

DMORT REGION IV NEWS
UPDATE 8/30/2005 FROM ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER KIM PLUNK:
As of 10am Tuesday morning the deployed DMORT IV team members are still stationed in Anniston, AL. During the night 2 three person assessment teams were sent forward to help in affected areas. Cotton has asked that all members please keep up with latest info. via this website and email. DO NOT CALL COTTON UNLESS IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. We will give daily updates as long as we have capability to do so.

And I repeat, I don't see anything that deprives the local coroners of the right to determine cause of death, or order/deny an autopsy.
Please see:

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF MEDICAL EXAMINERS
MASS FATALITY PLAN
Excerpt: Page 7
The decision to do complete or partial autopsies resides with the Medical Examiner/Coroner authority locally responsible for body processing and death certification. Some reasons for complete autopsies:
- Homicides
- Terrorism
- Indeterminate manner of death
- Flight crews V the same pathologist should do all members
- Unidentified remains
- Federal request
- Local ME/Coroner request

Excerpt: Page 14
The final determination of body or body parts positive identification is the sole responsibility of the local ME/Coroner in which the disaster occurs

Excerpt: Page 15
Death Certificates
A. Issued according to procedures normally in place and as directed by the local ME/Coroner jurisdiction.
B. The administrative or judicial issuance of death certificates in situations in which there is an absence of positive physical forensic scientific identification is a responsibility solely of the local ME/Coroner in conjunction with local legal and public health authorities.
http://www.dmort.org/FilesforDownload/NAMEMFIplan.pdf

AND
from the "Mass Fatality Incidents: A Guide for Human Forensic Identification" June 05 Report by the National Institute of Justice, U.S. Department of Justice,Office of Justice Programs: http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles1/nij/199758.pdf

Excerpt: Page 57
The DMORT team supports the local medicolegal authority by providing expertise, personnel, supplies, and equipment. The responsibility for assigning the cause and manner of death, signing of death certificates, and death notification remain with the local authority

and

Excerpt - Page 15
If the medical examiner/coroner is not equipped to assume responsibility for managing morgue operations, a Disaster Mortuary sponsible for appointing a forensic pathologist or temporary medical examiner/coroner who is capable of overseeing all morgue operations and administrative functions. The extent and role of a DMORT remains at the discretion of the local medical examiner/coroner.

This same document says:

Excerpt: Page 57
Federal Disaster Declaration. The Federal Response Plan dictates how Federal agencies respond following a disaster. A request for DMORT assistance must be made by a local official through the State emergency management agency, which will then contact the regional office of FEMA. Based on the severity of the disaster, FEMA can ask for a Presidential disaster declaration, allowing the DMORT team to be activated. This process can take from 24 to 48 hours.

http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles1/nij/199758.pdf

In closing, here's

THE CHILLER:

from a DMORT newsletter, referring to the Pennsylvania crash site on 9/11: http://www.dmort.org/DNPages/jan2002newstext.htm

This response marked several firsts, all of note because of their importance for future responses. These included the deployment of the DNA team, the establishment of protocols documenting the operation of each morgue section, responding under a memorandum of understanding with the FBI, the response of the FAC team and the collection of family blood reference samples, the inclusion of a formal triage station as the first morgue station, and the first use of the Kenyon International Services mobile morgue.

and

The FBI was the lead authority in the investigation because of the criminal nature of the crash. Although victim identification responsibilities resided with the local coroner, his capabilities were severely taxed. Attempts to have the site declared a federal disaster through the state proved unsuccessful. The FBI stepped in to establish a memorandum with HHS that allowed DMORT to respond. During the activation, the crash site was under the control of the FBI; the DMORT operation focused on the morgue and the family assistance center.

Sound familiar?

Bolding is mine, but the term "the first use" sent chills through me. I am NOT a conspiracy theorist. As a matter of fact, I had these facts assembled yesterday and delayed posting because I needed to ask my spouse and a few good friends, "Am I cracking under the stress/grief/frustration of watching this unfold? Am I getting wacky?" Admittedly, there is an element of the macabre in all this that had me repulsed throughout the research, but still....

9/11 DU Thread Devoted to Body Count
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... :
Please post all articles on body counts here.

The government appears to be covering up numerous deaths.
I've previously seen stories on bodies in high schools, hospitals, morgues, etc as well as those who died in the convention center, Superdome, etc. that would total far more than what the government is reporting.

The government miraculously reported a drop in the anticipated body count just when the media was temporarily kicked out. The very same day, a Modesto paper reported that FEMA had ordered 50,000 more body bags delivered to New Orleans -- adding to the 25,000 already there.

I suspect a coverup and hope to do an investigative story.

Please help!

Post all stories on deaths attributed to the hurricane, flooding, starvation etc in the aftermath.

9/13 FEMA outsources Katrina body count to firm implicated in body-dumping

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
FEMA outsources Katrina body count to firm implicated in body-dumping!

My article, just posted at RawStory. Thanks to all here who helped provide links and info for this story!

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FEMA OUTSOURCES BODY COUNT TO FIRM THAT SETTLED CORPSE
DUMPING, DESECRATION SUITS-

FEMA outsources Katrina body count to firm implicated in body-dumping scandals

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has hired Kenyon International to set up a mobile morgue for handling bodies in Baton Rouge, Louisiana following Hurricane Katrina, RAW STORY has learned.

Kenyon is a subsidiary of Service Corporation International (SCI), a scandal-ridden Texas-based company operated by a friend of the Bush family. Recently, SCI subsidiaries have been implicated in illegally discarding and desecrating corpses....

FEMA and then Blanco outsourced the body count from Hurricane Katrina -- which many believe the worst natural disaster in U.S. history -- to a firm whose parent company is known for its "experience" at hiding and dumping bodies.

The Menorah Gardens cemetery chain, owned by SCI, desecrated vaults, removed hundreds of bodies from two cemeteries in Florida and dumped the gruesome remains in woods frequented by wild hogs, investigators discovered in 2001. In one case, a backhoe was used to crack open a vault, remove corpses and make room for more dead bodies...

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/FEMA_outsources_Katrina_b...

9-13: BREAKING HARD: FEMA, Bush, SCI, and 1999 Funeralgate as Governor

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

BREAKING HARD: FEMA, Bush, SCI, and 1999 Funeralgate as Governor
This shows Bush was aware of SCI's problems intimately.
Bush and the corporation hired to do body recovery in Louisiana go way back.

This is a Google follow up on the LBN article from Raw Story
FEMA, La. outsource Katrina body count to firm implicated in body-dumping scandals
I am at work and need to go back to work right now so I will be offline immediately after posting. Keep this alive.

FEMA Director Joe Allbaugh Resigns: Skeletons Here, There, and Everywhere......Literally

Bush was subpoenaed in 1999, but refused to testify as to what his involvement was in halting an investigation into SCI's embalming practices, among other things. A Texas judge put everything right for Bush just in time to campaign for the presidency, ruling that he could not be forced to testify by an ousted regulatory official, who had not produced enough evidence or that Bush had "unique and superior personal knowledge." Bush had filed an affidavit claiming he had no conversations with SCI officials, agents, or representatives concerning the investigation or any disputes arising from it, although by his own admission he said he dropped in on a meeting between Waltrip and Allbaugh, for a quick social visit and couldn't remember what he said. May's lawsuit claimed they did talk about the investigation and asked the judge to hold Bush in contempt of court and compel him to testify. In a news conference (held in August, '99) dominated by tough questions, the issue that really irritated Bush concerned funeral homes. His remarks were, "It's frivolous. It is frivolous."

9/13 As bodies recovered, reporters are told 'no photos, no stories'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

As bodies recovered, reporters are told 'no photos, no stories'

www.sfgate.com

Cecilia M. Vega, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 13, 2005
New Orleans -- A long caravan of white vans led by an Army humvee rolled Monday through New Orleans' Bywater district, a poor, mostly black neighborhood, northeast of the French Quarter.

Recovery team members wearing white protective suits and black boots stopped at houses with spray painted markings on the doors designating there were dead bodies inside.

Outside one house on Kentucky Street, a member of the Army 82nd Airborne Division summoned a reporter and photographer standing nearby and told them that if they took pictures or wrote a story about the body recovery process, he would take away their press credentials and kick them out of the state.

"No photos. No stories," said the man, wearing camouflage fatigues and a red beret...

Full Story at this link:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/09/13...

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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:42 PM
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13. That's quite a compilation
Thanks for posting that, snot!

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merci_me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:38 PM
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12. Way low.....53 evacuees died in Houston alone
as a result of Katrina. There were 2 suicides, others died of renal failure brought on by dehydration, trauma from going days without medications for heart disease, blood pressure, cancer, etc.

It's impossible to believe with all the dedicated medical care they recieved once they were here, the medical teams were unable to reverse the effects of what would be 10% of the total deaths that are beinging reported in Louisiana.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:48 PM
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14. The question is, are these 50 plus deaths in Houston, and the other
incidents like this, included in the LA death count?
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merci_me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:19 AM
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18. My understanding is they are not.
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 12:21 AM by merci_me
They were all alive when they left Louisiana. It said as reported by state and local officials. Hell, state and local officials in Louisiana probably have no idea what's going on with the evacuees here. As long as they don't know, it keeps their numbers low.

Plus there will probably be more deaths, directly related to slow response. Especially cancer patients whose treatment was interrupted, and it may compromise their illness for weeks and months to come. They may not stabilize like some of the other patients who are now back on their medications.

I read the number in the Houston Chronicle earlier this week. It stands to reason, there are deaths (I have no numbers) in Dallas and San Antonio also. Probably not much further than that, since the most ill people we not moved any further than necessary.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:59 PM
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16. Note: Those La. Numbers are yesterday's, there was no update today.
Because it is the weekend perhaps, I don't know
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Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:09 AM
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17. Not all will be called Katrina deaths.
They are not just assuming that everyone died during the hurricane. Those numbers are the ones that they believe are Hurricane deaths. They will not include those believed to have drowned or died from lack of water/food/meds, etc.

THey may have a whole lot more bodys, but each one must be "confirmed" dead. Which may or may not include knowing who the person is. If they must know the WHO, that will slow the numbers even more.

The numbers will not include those who were.. Lets just say that they can not and will not ever find the bodys. No foul play involved.
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GOPAgainstGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:39 AM
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19. Total Katrina Deaths AND Missing Will Be High
,and in the end will not be covered up by BushCo. The death toll in situations like this is always under-reported in the short-term for several valid reasons. Further, the estimated number currently MISSING is huge compared to confirmed deaths.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:53 AM
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20. Just curious as to why this thread was moved from LBN to GD
I got it directly from ap's breaking news website and the story has a time post of 1905 EDT which made it less than 12 hours old when I posted it.

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/index.htm

It is still current news if the media is using old news and in fact it needs to be documented that they are NOT giving out any new figures.

Not upset here, just curious...also threads seem to scroll off too quickly when they are posted in GD...
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