Do you think Katrina will spark the rise of new Black Militant groups?

[RagingInMiami]

I was born in 1968 so I wasn't old enough to remember the Black Panthers in their prime, but it seems to me the time is right for the emergence of new Black Militant groups.

Especially with Kanye West and Public Enemy speaking out against the administration.

[all.of.me]

1. i think there's an excellent chance of a new uprising

and rightly so.

[benburch]

2. We can only hope. nt

[TallahasseeGrannie]

3. I personally wondered

whether we would see riots in the streets in other cities. I was surprised when we didn't. I'm not sure why. I have not heard any African Americans from around the country interviewed..heard some from N.O. But I haven't been watching the news that much.

[RagingInMiami]

5. I wondered the same thing

But from my experience living down in Miami, where we've had three riots in black neighborhoods throughout the 1980s, these things erupt after months and years of injustices, with each injustice being another drop in a bucket.

And then all it takes is just one incident -- always a white cop killing a black male -- to spark the whole riot.

But it's never just that one incident that caused the riot. It's always been a series of injustices that went unnoticed or ignored by the rest of the community that leads up to it.

And Katrina was a huge drop in the bucket.

[yurbud]

7. hopefully, it's been obvious that this was Bush's response, NOT

America's as a whole.

In the past, bad acts toward blacks by the government were seem as having at least passive public approval. That's not the case here.

[Autonomy]

4. No, those groups would be as anachronistic as

the SDS, Weather Underground, SLA, the Yippies, or other such groups. It's a different time. Other types of groups might be created out of recent events. I can only hope.

[KittyWampus]

6. Why would Kanye & P.E. speaking out lead to MILITANT black groups?

[RagingInMiami]

9. Judging from the 60s, music played a strong role in the

antiwar movement. Why should it be different today?

[KittyWampus]

11. you used the word MILITANT. Please explain why you used that term

why do you think Kayne and PE would encourage MILITANT movements or protests as opposed to say PEACEFUL protests?

[RagingInMiami]

15. Because I don't think "PEACEFUL" protests is going to work

I'm in support of all liberal groups to be more militant. Candlelight vigils doesn't cut it when you're up against warmongers.

[KittyWampus]

19. but you dragged Kayne and PE into this when it's what YOU want.

not what THEY might want or what any reasonable person might infer they might want judging soley by their words and deeds.

And that's me being as polite as possible and giving you the benefit of a doubt that you aren't just thinking that Kayne and PE are somehow predisposed towards militancy or violence because they are black or because of the stridency of their opinions.

[RagingInMiami]

21. I talk to a lot of blacks down here in Miami because I'm into the local

poetry scene, and depending on the venue, it could either be all black people or an equal mix of whites, blacks and hispanics. And we are all liberal so we're all angry about Katrina, but understandably so, the black poets take it a little more personal.

And ever since Kanye West made his comments, it's been a very talked about subject. He is -- and I agree -- regarded as a hero because he did not bow down to the networks, as they expected him to do.

And Public Enemy has always been a militant group, just like Rage Against the Machine (which I believe only had one black member).

I'm not trying to make this a black and white issue, but it seems that you are.

[yurbud]

8. Instead of Black Panthers, how about Everbody but Bush Panthers?

So we could all join.

[omega minimo]

The Bushless League

I'm in

:bounce:

[yurbud]

41. or at least an Albino Auxiliary of the Black Panthers

kind of like Special Olympics for retarded athletes.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

10. I think there will be a rise in RW fundamentalist militant groups

regardless of a rise in Black Militant groups or not.

[RagingInMiami]

12. Yes, it's already happening

But we, the liberals, have been too passive to organize our own militant groups.

[KittyWampus]

16. you seem obsessed with militancy. Tell you what. You want a violent

reaction, foment it somewheres else and please don't call yourself a liberal so the rest of us don't get pinned with that behavior.

[RagingInMiami]

18. I will call myself a liberal despite what you say

Because I am a liberal. I believe in liberty and justice for all. But I also believe that if these essentials are stolen from us -- as in fraudulent elections -- then it's time for us to make a stand.


You can turn the other cheek all you want, but that has proven to be a loser mentality.

[mitchum]

40. Ignore silly suggestions, and stay right here

You are not alone

[BiggJawn]

31. Oh, go sing "Kumbaya" someplace.

Are you one of those people who would just stand there and take an ass-whipping from somebody because you're THAT much into "non-violence"? Show up at the collection center for The Camps with a smile and a fresh-washed face because that's what good pacifist people do?

Well, hoo-ray for your side.

A lot of us would NOT, and WTF are YOU to tell us "don't call yourself a liberal"...

[mitchum]

39. I am quite proud to be a liberal who believes that "turn the other...

cheek sometimes means breaking the other guys jaw" as Malcolm X said.
Please don't brand all of we liberals as pacifist. Not all of us want to be pinned with such a weak attitude.

[applegrove]

13. No. Because African Americans do have power & leaders & sources

of funding. Nothing the GOP can take away from them. They are consumers and finally - have the powers that were kept from them - and kept them from participating or speaking in the democracy.

Bush actually made a speech in a church the other day - where he made god the scapegoat - which is the whole point of Christianity in the first place. A merciful god who takes on the sins of mankind and gave up his son for that very reason. So scapegoating in society would stop.

Now the democrats and the liberal establishment have been trying for 5 years to get Bush to stop scapegoating - African Americans succeeded where the rest of us did not.

And now - with that rightful power - finally the discussion can begin on America - the creation myth. And adolescent White American visionaries everywhere will have to know their own dam selves for once in a very, very long time. So hopefully - in the future - a bunch of elitist, warmongering, corporate, Utopian nutbombs will not keep getting re-elected. You attract the people who are most like you. Unless you are getting stalked and have no say in the matter. You allow ideas and governance that fits most tighly with you. If the American government is sick right now - it is because so many Americans are delusional and will eat their own shit.

[RagingInMiami]

17. So you're saying that African-Americans believe that God prevented

anyone from helping them for the four days after Katrina?

[applegrove]

28. No. They are saying the response was shitty and don't scapegoat

us or dare connect to your base over this. So Bush was hanging in the wind. A A church leaders met with him. Bush stops looking for a scapegoat in them. Looks around for a while to find "in vulnerable others to attack". Tries to bait Nancy Pelosi - tries to blame other government. Is forced to take some responsibility by everyone in the country politically.

In church he does what a christian is supposed to do. He was talking to his base when he was in church and told them to scapegoat god. Wasn't a message for you or me. Or anyone who thinks. We already know that people are not to be faulted for things they cannot control.


So politically & in governance he had to take some responsibility. (That's for all of us who still have their feet on the ground). And to the nuts who are incapable of not blaming the poor or being apart of a vengeful church - he acts like a good Christian should and half-way leads them away where they are most comfortable. And by blaming their god - reminds all those baser instinctive christians that that is where the blame for most misunderstandings and tragedies is supposed to go. A little "soul practice". And needed by those evacuees on the ground who are religious and may be very angry. They need understanding and normalcy and security.

And it is quite clear that that is what Bush has to provide to all those people from NOLA and elsewhere. Or all bets or off and the President will pay for what you and I know he willfully did to those people by ignoring human needs in favor of corporate retooling of the role of government and scapegoating humans by teaching an intentional lack of empathy.

And perhaps an open debate on the meaning on the truth of "American Myths" and the sickness within some Americans regarding race is the pound of flesh extracted. I look forward to that discussion. I can tell that A.A. do too. I think all Liberals and humans know that it is needed.

So - Bush - keep on blaming "god" for the horrors that befall some people - it will be good practice for all his flock. And do what you said you would and open the discussion on race (or at least don't disrupt it) and make it right with those people with homes and chances. Or else....

IMHO

[populistdriven]

14. Lets form a black hoodie group (links)

http://gnn.tv/videos/40/NEW_George_Bush_Don_t_Like_Black_People
http://gnn.tv/videos/35/Bush_Boys
http://gnn.tv/videos/27/Eminem_s_Mosh

[daninthemoon]

20. If it doesn't, it should. Let's be specific with the term "militant" It

has alot of negative, maybe even racial connotations. What we could use is some established, successful black voices. I was heartened to see what Oprah did the first few days of the disaster. Then I turned on the show a couple days ago, and her show was about twins getting sex changes! Everything was back to normal, or whatever. What do you suppose Colin Powell could accomplish if he renounced his rethug neocon past, really came clean with some of the shit HE knows, and asked for support?
Aside from that, all America needs leadership at this point. We've all been lied to and victimized by these fat cats.
Also. the Black panthers were painted as a dangerous bunch of guys bent on destroying whitey. The truth is far less dramatic. They ran food banks and things like that.

[RagingInMiami]

23. Everybody is fucking PC around here

When I say militant, I meant highly organized political groups that don't give a rat's ass what Oprah or Colin Powell say or think.

[daninthemoon]

25. From American Heritage Dictionary

mil·i·tant (ml-tnt) KEY

ADJECTIVE:

Fighting or warring.
Having a combative character; aggressive, especially in the service of a cause: a militant political activist.
NOUN:

A fighting, warring, or aggressive person or party.

[RagingInMiami]

27. So is that insulting?

[daninthemoon]

Well, it's slightly different than"highly organized political group"

Not insulting maybe, but it does infer some stereotypes.

[RagingInMiami]

36. I didn't read anything about race in the definition

So the stereotype is in your eyes only.

And I would love to see the emergence of highly organized militant political groups in this country. I am ready to be aggressive. I am ready to fight fire with fire.

[daninthemoon]

37. Not my eyes. If you now are saying you want to see "highly

organized militant political groups" that's fine. You're original thread refers to "new Black militant groups". Several threads that follow were specifically about rioting. I really didn't intend for this to be a big deal. Pretty much anybody on DU is on the same side.

[omega minimo]

30. Yep, everyone but the fucking assholes

:hi:

[RagingInMiami]

32. So you're calling me a "fucking asshole"?

[omega minimo]

38. Silly

:rofl:

[Cleita]

22. Undoubtedly, but I don't think it will be entirely black.

It will be angry liberals across the board.

[RagingInMiami]

24. I agree

But the reason I asked, is because I was reading through that other thread wondering about the differences between now and the vietnam era, and I read some posts that the antiwar movement was almost a result of the black civil rights movement.

One paved the way for the other.

[Cleita]

26. Well, there was a load of unrest from many sides.

The civil rights movement was the glue that pulled us all together. The Vietnam war and feminist movement came along after but was in the wake of the civil rights movement. It became about everyone's rights.

[bobbieinok]

33. civil rights movement showed many that US has not always been 'good'

and showed that it was possible and OK and sometimes necessary to question the government and act against it

IMO, the civil rights movement opened eyes and validated protest

[Cleita]

34. Correct and I think

that unfair and unjust laws will have to be broken again to make a point.

[RagingInMiami]

35. Now don't you think Katrina has done the same thing for many people

Opened their eyes to show them that the government is not always "good".

[TroubleMan]

29. I hope so

nt.