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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:06 PM
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Would "fuck oil companies" be a winning campaign position?
Whenever I talk to my very righty, gay-immigrant-black-hating dad, we always agree that we are getting screwed by oil companies. This is a bit of populism that right and left can agree on if a pol is brave enough to say it.

"Fuck oil companies" is something even people who don't believe in global warming, pollution, or peak oil can get behind.

Assuming the candidate isn't killed (a big assumption) would that win him or her support?

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:08 PM
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1. Well, not in Louisiana, Texas and Alaska
But I'll take 47 out of 50 states.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:09 PM
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2. When will we have
hydrogen cars?

Do you think Big Oil has anything to do with the lack of progress on this front?
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insanity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:16 PM
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8. After we figure out how to make it efficent
Hydrogen cars burn clean, but they need power to run (seperating hydrogren from water takes an electric charge). The fuel cell technology exsits, but it is hard to find a way to make them sustianable. Also, I've heard Big Oil might some hydrogen pattents but that could easily just be myth (although I wouldn't be surprised).
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:26 PM
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13. Actually - big oil is pushing this
1. They have most of the patents on the "hydrogen economy" technology (go to the and play around).

2. The source of the hydrogen is thermal decomposition of petroleum, "city gasification" of a petroleum-steam mixture, and off gases from oil drilling.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:11 PM
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3. David Van Os is on the job
He is running for TX AG and vows to prosecute the oil companies for their monopolistic ways. He needs your help.
<http://www.vanosfortexasag.com/>
Please visit and click on Contribute link. Just $10/month can make the difference.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:11 PM
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4. I am biased as heck (worked in photovoltaics and electric cars, etc.)
But I think there are some big smoking guns --- and literally hundreds of little smoking "22's".

But, I spent much of career in nuclear power, synthane gasoline, electric cars, photovoltaics, etc. -- so I am biased, prejudiced, and paranoid.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:13 PM
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5. Yeah, until some "lone nut" assassinates you
Or maybe your plane gets "engine troubles"
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:13 PM
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6. In different words, yes
"Fuck oil companies" might be a hard sell, but "bring the oil companies back into line" or something like that would work.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:15 PM
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7. It would depend on whether the oil companies owned the e-voting
companies too. Fair, legitimate elections trump all other concerns imo.

But if you want to run on anti-oil, you've got my vote!
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:22 PM
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9. We might hurt some of friends in the process
Like auto dealer John Conyers or Ford Lawyers Sander and Carl Levin or John Dingel (wife is a GM vice president). The relationship between the auto industry (including the UAW and the Michigan Democrats) and the oil industry is beyond incestuous.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:26 PM
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12. Car companies should be mad too--they have lashed themselves to
a sinking ship
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:30 PM
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14. If you go to their "financials"
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 02:32 PM by Coastie for Truth
especially on the and look at the incestuous interlocking directorates and bankers and acountants and lawyers ... and remember Andy Card was GM's chief lobbyist and before that Spencer Abraham was GM's chief lobbyist.

That may explain why the auto industry is mired in the buggy whip era.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 07:04 PM
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16. Toyota is going to send them the way of the buggy then...
they are considering selling all hybrids now.
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Shanty Oilish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:22 PM
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10. Bias here too...
"We always agree that we are getting screwed by oil companies. This is a bit of populism that right and left can agree on."

I don't agree! Members of my family have worked for oil companies since 1909. We're all left of center (except the in-laws). Yet we don't regard oil companies as divisions of Hell.

Generalizations are so fundy. Look deeper.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 04:05 PM
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15. Look deeper than wars to kill for something that will dry up anyway?
and using every political and economic means possible to stomp out competing energy sources?

I'm sure your family is good people. A lot of good people probably worked for the companies that sold asbestos insulation and still work for companies that sell tobacco. That doesn't absolve the companies of anything, or keep the lights on as the price of oil goes through the roof as the supply dries up.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:24 PM
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11. It should be "fuck oil company executives." n/t
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