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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:00 PM
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Anyone else troubled by the 4th Judicial Circuit ruling today?
This Court of Appeals basically said that it was ok for the President to hold an American citizen, captured on US soil, indefinately with NO indictment, NO right to council, NO right to speedy trial--and on what basis? Because the President decided said person was an "enemy combatant".

I'm not defending Jose Podilla-I don't know what did or did not happen. But as an American citizen, he should have the rights of all American citizens. If it is proven in a court of law he did something treasonous, then and only then should he be serving time.

What I'm really worried about is whether the SC will concur with the 4th Circuit. Will this mean that the President will have free reign to designate anyone as an "enemy combatant" and ship them off to an unknown fate? Sounds more like Stalin and the gulags than the USA, imho.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:01 PM
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1. crap, so much for the Constitiution huh? n/t
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Liberal Ohioan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:01 PM
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2. pack your bags, bush is coming for you
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freemen2005 Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:14 PM
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3. reminicent of the nazi courts...
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:19 PM
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4. remember, terrorist can look like me or you
they could be your neighbor, you never know. That is the presumption on the part of this administration.. You are either with us or with the terrorist.... Think about it..
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:21 PM
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5. absolutely
If this is ever established, we are back to the rule of kings.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:24 PM
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6. Very disturbing
And will the SCOTUS not convene until the two empty seats are filled? If so, it is guaranteed they'll concur.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:27 PM
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7. I'm very troubled
We need an old fashioned revolution.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:28 PM
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8. So far
Freeps are loving it. I checked. The idiots who once squalled about jack-booted thugs to whomever would listen are revelling in the mighty power affirmed to Bush.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:36 PM
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9. troubled but not surprised
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 08:16 PM
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10. Very troubling, indeed. If a court can decide that a citizen has
no constitutional rights to a trial, to a lawyer, etc., etc., then we certainly have put the Constitution through the shredder. Once we have done this, what is left of America? Nothing.

Another troubling question -- isn't one of the justices who decided this one of the possible Supreme Court nominees?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 08:31 PM
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11. Just in time for the 24th
I wonder how many of us will disappear. Guess what George. I'm coming anyway.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 08:45 PM
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12. Yeah, the 4th. Circuit ruling said something about allowable in a
time of war. Proves their 'activist' judges, since Congress is the only place to declare a war and there has been no declaration of any war since Chimpy became a squatter in the WH.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 08:56 PM
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13. This is just so unconstitutional, an American citizen is NOT an
enemy combatant... and there is not even a real case against Padilla.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:17 PM
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14. Anyone got a link to the ruling?
Very troubling, declare a citizen an EC and bingo off to the gulag. No Muss, No Fuss.

-Hoot
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:38 PM
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