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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:28 PM
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Compare FEMA Response to Hurricane in FL 2004
If anyone doubts a difference that having a brother as Governor makes to the Federal response, doubt no more. Check out the FEMA pre-positioning of assets for FL last year prior to September's Hurricane Frances and Ivan.

Please kick this story. It needs to be brought to the attention of the media.

>>>Hurricane Frances weakens slightly
>>>September 4, 2004
>>>__________________________________FEMA has positioned a powerful list of
>>>disaster response personnel, equipment and supplies to help those who are
>>>displaced or suffer losses after Hurricane Frances continues to move
>>>across Florida. The advance preparations include:
>>> FEMA's are operating
>>> around the clock, coordinating the pre-positioning of assets and
>>> responding to state requests for assistance.
>>> FEMA has deployed an advanced emergency response team to the Florida
>>> State Emergency Operations Center in Tallahassee to facilitate state
>>> requests for assistance. In addition, three rapid needs assessment teams
>>> have been pre-deployed to Florida.
>>> The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, at FEMA's request, is coordinating
>>> the staging of 100 truckloads of water and 100 truckloads of ice at
>>> operational centers in Florida.
>>> A first shipment of 30,000 tarps is en route to Atlanta, Ga., to be
>>> pre-staged for delivery to areas affected by Frances once the storm has
>>> cleared.
>>> FEMA is working to provider 10 trailers of generators at the request
>>> of Florida that will be used to provide power to critical facilities
>>> affected by the hurricane . . .
>>> Four urban search and rescue teams are deployed to Florida -- two in
>>> Miami and two in Jacksonville. Four teams are on alert.
>>> Two disaster medical assistance teams (DMAT) have been deployed to
>>> Florida to support medical facilities and hospitals that are not fully
>>> operational following the storm . . .
>>> Five pharmaceutical caches, containing emergency medical supplies,
>>> are being pre-positioned, and are currently en route to Atlanta and
>>> Tampa.
>>> FEMA's Mobile Emergency Response Services (MERS) communications staff
>>> and equipment are available to provide telephone, radio and video links
>>> in support of response and recovery efforts . . .
>>> . . . FEMA is working with the General Services Administration to
>>> analyze vacancy rates of various safe housing options . . . as part of
>>> pre-planning temporary housing strategies for those whose homes are
>>> severely damaged or destroyed.

>>>Press release on advance preparations for Hurricane Frances
>>>September 4, 2004
>>>__________________________________As of noon Monday >>>Frances made landfall] FEMA and other Federal response agencies have
>>>taken the following actions:
>>> About one hundred trucks of water and 280 trucks of ice are present
>>> or will arrive in the Jacksonville staging area today.
>>> 900,000 Meals-Ready-to-Eat are on site in Jacksonville, ready to be
>>> distributed.
>>> Over 7,000 cases of food (e.g., vegetables, fruits, cheese, ham, and
>>> turkey) are scheduled to arrive in Winter Haven today.
>>> Disaster medical assistance teams (DMAT) are on the ground and
>>> setting up comfort stations. FEMA community relations personnel will
>>> coordinate with DMATs to assist victims.
>>> Urban search and rescue teams are completing reconnaissance missions
>>> in coordination with state officials.
>>> FEMA is coordinating with the Department of Energy and the state to
>>> ensure that necessary fuel supplies can be distributed throughout the
>>> state, with a special focus on hospitals and other emergency facilities
>>> that are running on generators.
>>> The Army Corps of Engineers will soon begin its efforts to provide
>>> tarps to tens of thousands of owners of homes and buildings that have
>>> seen damage to their roofs . . .
>>> The Departments of Health and Human Services, Veterans Affairs, and
>>> Defense together have organized 300 medical personnel to be on standby.
>>> Medical personnel will begin deployment to Florida tomorrow . . .
>>>White House
>>>Responding to Hurricanes Charley and Frances
>>>September 6, 2004
>>>__________________________________The Department of Homeland Security's
>>>Federal Emergency Management Agency . . . is preparing for Hurricane
>>>Ivan's landfall, which could affect multiple states, including Alabama,
>>>Florida, Georgia, Louisiana and Mississippi.
>>>Intense planning and immediate actions are underway today in anticipation
>>>of Hurricane Ivan, including:
>>> FEMA personnel remain in Florida working with the victims of the two
>>> previous hurricanes. However, some staff has been repositioned to
>>> respond to state requests for assistance with Hurricane Ivan.
>>> In addition to the supplies provided for the two earlier hurricanes,
>>> the Army Corps of Engineers is standing by with 100 refrigerator trucks
>>> of ice and 500 trucks of water to meet immediate needs as part of the
>>> Hurricane Ivan response.
>>> FEMA is using every available means to move supplies to where they
>>> are most needed, including pre-positioning supplies and using
>>> alternative means of transportation such as ships, air transport, and railroad.
>>>Hurricane Ivan Preparations Underway
>>>September 14, 2004

COMMENTARY on the impact on Bush poll numbers (2004)
>>>As I'm sure you can imagine, this display of the good old American can-do
>>>spirit didn't go unnoticed by the people of Florida -- nor did the
>>>millions of dollars in disaster relief and damage insurance checks that
>>>were cut by various federal agencies with record speed. FEMA officials
>>>must have been deeply gratified to see the effect their heroic efforts
>>>had in the place where they were most desperately needed -- Bush's poll
>>>Hurricanes Charley, Frances and Ivan may count as some of the biggest
>>>political contributors to President Bush's reelection campaign, according
>>>to a poll.
>>>The post-hurricane survey shows Bush surging ahead of his Democratic
>>>challenger by 49 to 41 percent -- an about-face from August, when Bush
>>>trailed Sen. John Kerry 41-47 percent, Quinnipiac University reported
>>>''The ill winds of the hurricanes have blown some political goodwill for
>>>President Bush,'' said Clay F. Richards, a pollster for the independent
>>>Connecticut university.
>>>''You can't underestimate the impact of a president coming down and
>>>promising all this federal aid to people who need it,'' said Richards,
>>>noting that Bush toured hurricane-ravaged parts of Florida three times.
>>>"It's like Rudy Giuliani at ground zero on 9/11. The commander in chief
>>>is there, on the ground, saying help is on the way.''
>>>So you can see that when the chips are down, and the need is absolutely
>>>dire, this administration can still deliver the kind of coordinated
>>>emergency response that once made the U.S. government the envy of the
>>>world -- just as it coolly and capably protected the Iraqi Oil Ministry
>>>from the chaos and looting that trashed every other government office in
>>>post-invasion Baghdad. As is usually the case in public service, it's
>>>just a matter of having the right incentives.

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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:37 PM
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1. Kicked and nominated eom
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OctOct1 Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:37 PM
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2. I have been trying to show this for 2 days and my
postings keep falling.
here are a few links

what was done for Frances in 2004

what was done for Katrina

I am going to post another rant and hope it will not fall to the bottom of the message board
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:40 PM
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3. Here's the White House link touting pre-planning
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:44 PM
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4. Here's the Homeland Security link touting pre-planning
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:51 PM
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8. Prepositioning of assets for Hurricane Charley in FL by FEMA
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OctOct1 Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:46 PM
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5. that is a good link too
the one I have says a lot about pre-deployed and pre-positioned activity. None of this was done for Katrina
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Done Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:46 PM
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6. Election Year
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:50 PM
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7. Clearly FEMA is CAPABLE of functioning when they want--
in a key state before an election.

So what's going on now is beyond incompetence.
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OctOct1 Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:58 PM
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10. I will explaine what is going on
You know Bush was falling in the polls because of Cindy
You know that he needed a 9/11
You know they would capitalize on anything
You know FEMA was held back
You know that when Bush showed up everything started moving
You know that Texas was the place to move the people to. (Duh)

If you compare what they did for Hurricane Frances last year and what they did for Katrina, it is so obvious.
They purposely held back and even stopped help from coming

Can anyone say Giuliani enough
This is a call for strong Republican leadership and the crushing of Democrats

There spin goal is as follows
Democrat = weak
Democrat = failure
Democrat - entitlements
Democrats are wieners
Democrats are creating there own demise.

Example of todays spin
Rush just had a caller that was from a parish outside of NO.
Mostly republican parish, of course. And these republicans got there act together and cleaned up and are doing fine. Whereas NO is full of democrats that want the Gov. to bail them out.
To top it off, they have Lieberman doing the investigation. HA, HA.
I am from CT and I know Lieberman will give it to them on a silver platter.
We have to stop this madness.
I want to see all of our Democratic leaders protecting there own and going after FEMA.
And then finding the trail to the top.
There has to be a dirty memo somewhere.
Lock Michael Brown up and seize his computer.
Well, maybe thats a little overboard
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:58 PM
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9. Now look at FEMA press release for Katrina
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:59 PM
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11. kick...
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12. nominated
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 03:37 PM
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13. FEMA Outsourced planning and busing
Wayne Madsen's most recent column
shows that FEMA outsourced planning in New Orleans and SE Louisiana to Innovative Emergency Management, Inc. /

FEMA then outsourced the busing of those stuck in the Superdome and Convention Center 'staging areas' out of state bus companies (some from Cincinnati OH and from North Carolina from what I've been able to track off the internet).

FEMA's own website shows that 650 buses were initially contracted for but reports show that 5000 were eventually ordered.

Bush's own vaunted 'outsourcing' policies are to blame for this fiasco. Dems/DUers have every right to expeditiously investigate this matter...hurricane season isn't over yet.

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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 03:39 PM
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14. Race issue?

Is it a race issue or class issue?

Poor Americans abandoned, but well off Florida communities get promt FEMA action.
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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 03:40 PM
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15. Great - concise - Salon Article on Issue (Link)

There's no question that the scale of the New Orleans disaster far surpasses what Florida faced. But even so, a look back at the administration's relief efforts in 2004 indicates that a quick response to a potentially politically damaging situation commanded a higher priority from the top levels of government back then than did the flooding of New Orleans in 2005

Some FEMA insiders were so happy with how they handled Florida's flurry of election-year hurricanes that they made a serious pitch within the administration to get FEMA director Mike Brown, now a target of sustained criticism, promoted to homeland security chief.

"Homeland Security sources said after the hurricanes," reported a May 19 Washington Post article, "that Brown and his allies promoted him as a successor to Tom Ridge as Homeland Security secretary because of their contention that he helped deliver Florida to President Bush by efficiently responding to the Florida hurricanes." A FEMA spokeswoman denied the report at the time.

By comparison, in 2004 the FEMA cavalry was roaming all over Florida, including parts almost completely untouched by the hurricanes, such as Miami-Dade County. Within weeks of Hurricane Frances hitting the Florida coast, 19,500 residents of Miami-Dade applied for disaster relief. FEMA quickly approved 9,000 of the claims and set aside $28.9 million in tax-free grants to help them rebuild.
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radar Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 03:48 PM
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16. There's a comparison to response of San Francisco 1906
Earthquake & fire floating around a few blogs.

The Last Time America Lost a City
by SensibleShoes Mon Sep 5th, 2005 at 12:22:26 PDT

Timeline of the San Francisco Earthquake
April 18 - 23, 1906

"...The earthquake struck at 5:13 AM.
By 7 AM federal troops had reported to the mayor.
By 8 AM they were patrolling the entire downtown area and searching for survivors.
The second quake struck at 8:14 AM.
By 10:05 AM the USS Chicago was on its way from San Diego to San Francisco; by 10:30 the USS Preble had landed a medical team and set up an emergency hospital.
By 11 AM large parts of the city were on fire; troops continued to arrive throughout the day, evacuating people from the areas threatened by fire to emergency shelters and Golden Gate Park.
St. Mary's hospital was destroyed by the fire at 1 PM, with no loss of life, the staff and patients having already been evacuated across the bay to Oakland.
By 3 PM troops had shot several looters, and dynamited buildings to make a firebreak; by five they had buried dozens of corpses, the morgue and the police pistol range being unable to hold any more.
At 8:40 PM General Funston requested emergency housing - tents and shelters - from the War Department in Washington; all of the tents in the U.S. Army were on their way to San Francisco by 4:55 AM the next morning.
Prisoners were evacuated to Alcatraz, and by April 20 (two days after the earthquake) the USS Chicago had reached San Francisco, where it evacuated 20,000 refugees...."

*Plus, there was a faster response to the tsunami last december 26th.
On 28 December, the first elements of the Combined Services Forces (CSF-536) were deployed to Utapao, Thailand following that country's approval of the user of that base.

Operation Unified Assistance
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 03:52 PM
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17. sure makes the neglect in NO look anything but benign . . n/t
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:34 PM
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Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 06:34 PM by snot
Whether the Feds required Jeb to sign a memo similar to the one they tried to get Blanco to sign, turning over all control to the Feds?

Even if Jeb signed one, of course, he didn't have to worry about what they'd DO with such control--but it would be instructive if they didn't even request that he sign such a memo.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:01 PM
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19. Last year Bush had FEMA hire a political consultant .
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:08 PM
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20. 2004 was an election year; 2005 isn't - Florida is GOP; Louisiana isn't
Questions? :shrug:
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