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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:43 PM
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Who called up the national guard and when?
n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:45 PM
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1. As soon as Bush declared a State of Emergency
The National Response Plan should have been implemented immediately.

In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp

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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:47 PM
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2. I ask because I'm debating the slow response
you would think it would be easy (federal government = large and powerful, city and state gvt. = not so large and powerful) but I remember hearing it is usually the governor's call to send in the national guard. That's why I ask.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:48 PM
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3. That all changed after March 2004
when this plan was finalized.

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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:49 PM
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5. She came on on day 2 and asked for 40,000 troops
I know she did and I think it was on Wednesday. Can anyone verify?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:59 PM
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9. The Governor and the Mayor both begged for help
since Sunday before the storm.

They would make announcements about talking to FEMA and that help was on the way. They two hours later they would announce that FEMA never showed up.

Besides in a State of Emergency the governor no longer has to ask for anything. What if this was a nuke attack without any warning? What if the governor was home in bed sleeping when the attack came and had no why to communicate? The President of the United States, the Commander in Chief isn't supposed to wait to respond because the Governor didn't send a signed, sealed, notarized request? This is why the President has a bunker and the governor doesn't.

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:20 PM
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16. Yes, the governor does have to ask for things.
That's why there's a liaison with FEMA. To ask.

FEMA is not the demiurge in all of this, unless the state officials are incapacitated or grossly incompetent.

I have yet to hear this argument from a dem.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:18 PM
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15. Wed. seems about right, but I can't verify.
It's when Michigan got Blanco's request.

A day after Mississippi, but I'm sure Blanco had much more to do than the Mississippi governor did.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:51 PM
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7. Yes, it is, but in times of national emergency,
the president has the right to call in the Guard.
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BamaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:00 PM
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10. My husband was called at
2:30 in the afternoon Monday, and told they were going to MS. Notice I said MONDAY. He called me Wednesday night from Biloxi, and is in Gulfport now.

Gov's are supposed to call up for natural disasters, but one state borrowing another's Guard is apparently too difficult a job for the feds to handle. :sarcasm:
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:16 PM
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14. It's still the governor's role to call up the NG; it can
be overriden, but my impression is that to override the local authorities is to say they're grossly incompetent.

Hence Richardson offered his NG to Blanco; hence Granholm's Michigan guard was ready to go on the Tuesday after Katrina hit.

The National Response is at the Federal level: it's to coordinate everything with the state. The governor is still in the hot seat for implementing the state plan that, with the mayors and with FEMA's help, the state draws up. And the governor still deals directly with other states. FEMA sits between the governor and the Federal government in all its ... um ... glory.

This is why * had to ask Blanco to step down and turn over control to FEMA. If other respondents are right, * was stupid for asking.

It's also why Blanco could say no. If other posters are right, Blanco was irrational at the time.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:45 PM
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20. I gotta say, these freepers/kool aid chuggers got on the same page of
music right quick! Good job HANNITYRUSHO'LIELYSAVAGE! :thumbsup:
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:49 PM
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4. scroll down on this page
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:51 PM
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6. Ohio NG was called on the evening of the 31st n/t
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:52 PM
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8. The White House Press Release on 8/27 :
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:07 PM
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11. Suggest you read the article below for background.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:35 PM
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17. A couple of key sections of the article, IMHO.....
"New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state's National Guard last Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday."

********Paperwork from Washington. Why am I not surprised?

"One factor that may have further complicated post-Katrina deployment arose when Louisiana discovered it needed Guardsmen to do more law enforcement duty because a large portion of the New Orleans police force was not functioning, according to Lt. Gen. Steven H. Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau at the Pentagon."

********According to the New Orleans Police Chief, that statement is completely without merit. The NOPD were actively involved in rescuing people and getting them to safety, even when they knew their own families were probably in trouble.





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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:27 PM
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12. Governors call in the NG. I heard 1500 were there on Sunday at
the SuperDome frisking people as they came in. That might have stopped a lot of people from going. Why go and stand in the rain for hours just to get frisked. Somehow when Monday came around there were only 500. So I don't know why there are two different numbers there. But they were called out Sunday. This is the LA national guard.

There are about 4000 more in Iraq. What kind of difference would it have made if they were all home with their helicopters? Would they have been able to fix the breeches before the city sank? Help the police? The news was all excited that there were 1,000 NG there Friday.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:52 PM
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13. Bush called them and told them to stand down.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:38 PM
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18. Oklahoma, Arkansas, Puerto Rico NG groups
are already down there...there are probably others but those are ones I heard talked about.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:42 PM
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19. What does it matter? Bush is supposed to show leadership
and step in. If he doesn't know that, then he doesn't deserve his job.

All this who called who tripe does is add to confusion that serves to insulate Bush from his responsibility.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:46 PM
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21. Of course I know this
but I have to convince the young minds at MTV.com. I'm trying to get to them before the freepers do.
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