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FauxNewsBlues Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 09:45 AM
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The CIA Leak: Rogue Agency?
October 3, 2003 -- THE current furor over who, if anyone, in the White House leaked anything about Joe Wilson's wife and whether that leak, if it occurred, constitutes a crime is off the mark.
My concern is about something far more ominous. It is what I see to be a systematic pattern of conduct being carried out by elements within the Central Intelligence Agency constituting a virtual covert operation against the Bush White House - a covert operation designed to protect the spy agency's turf and deflect charges of incompetence.

All the elements are in place: repeated leaks of selective classified information and tawdry political use of pre-war intelligence. But this is a story most of the media have chosen to ignore.

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/7131.htm


From Peter King pubbie congress critter. King is accusing the CIA of being at war with the Chimp. This can get fascinating. A member of the republican caucus accusing the CIA of being incompetent, and traitorous against whistle ass.

This is getting fun.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 09:55 AM
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1. CIA's duty is to the country, not Shrub
If the Shrub is being a traitor, and the CIA agent's know it, is it treason to try to expose him and his accomplices?

I think not.
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srubick Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:12 AM
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5. Right on
It was the Bushites who decided to warp the information provided to them by the agency.
Thank God we still have people working for us that are willing to put themselves on the line.
The CIA and the problems we face will be here long after the current occupiers have gone.
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:03 AM
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2. Fun?
It's seems rather to be getting very grave indeed. Now they want to blame the CIA for their policies and try to tag the whole agency as engaged in a conspiracy to undermine the administration. They're, that is, conservativies, accusing the CIA of treason. That's about as serious as it gets.
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FauxNewsBlues Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:09 AM
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3. Yes Fun
Because the White House is going to lose. It will be fun to expose them as the traitors they are. Remember all the anti FBI stuff coming from the right wing in the 90's? Now they are against the CIA too. The pentagon lifers are opposed to the Chimp, as are the careerists at State. Who exactly supports whistle ass in the career government?
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DemoVet Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:10 AM
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4. The CIA is the proverbial 800-lb gorilla
and I think that most administrations understand and adapt to this. Only so much control can be excercised over it and you'll get further with it if you remember not to piss it off. Suitably motivated, it can do a lot for you or it can tear off your head.

Wonder if Cheney might wake up some morning and find Scooter Libby's head under his sheets.
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NoKingGeorge Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:22 AM
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7. Routine referral by CIA.
The CIA does not do petty tirades. If their duty calls for an activity that is what they do.
The CIA asked for a routine investigation for the second time in 3 months .That's all they did.
The ONLY difference this time is that a deepthroat has exposed the fact that there are TWO Traitors within our midst..
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:49 PM
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8. A Good Quote
about Jimmy Carter, once he got into the White House his language on the CIA softened "because he found it was now HIS CIA." CIA management does what the President asks them to do. For example, VP Al Gore wanted them to study enviromental issues, so they studied enviromental issues.

But, when the President (or pResident) wants to spin intelligence, then the CIA starts to balk. LBJ started to go to DIA for his Vietnam intel because the CIA wasn't telling him what he wanted to hear, Nixon never did trust thye analysts because he thought they were all "lefties." Reagan went to the NSC for his Central American information, and had Casey there because the CIA wasn't "tough enough" on the Soviets in their analysis. Then shrub and rummy set up their own unit at the Pentagon cause the Agency wouldn't play ball in Iraq. Now they want the CIA to take the blame for Iraq? LOL.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:20 AM
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6. Imagine
Imagine agents being able to look over all the White Houses emails whilst looking for the Plame leak. Imagine what kind of damning information must be on all those hard drives!

Imagine how the White House minions are scrambling to tidy up before the visitors arrive.

It's just starting to get fun. Let us hope that true patriots are in placed in charge of this operation.

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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:59 PM
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9. King is memeing the BIG LIE right now and the ball is now in Tenet's court
This is important because King has a lot of power. He is spreading the lie that all the intelligence failures in the past 3 years has been on the part of the CIA.

King never mentions the Office of Special Plans, does he?

He's right about one thing though - there is a war going on between the WH and the CIA/DIA. The neocons want to dismantle this bunch and set up their own intelligence operation - that's the crux of it.

Here's what the Houston Chronicle says about this subject:

The battle pits intelligence professionals, especially CIA analysts and operations officers who believe that data about Iraq's weapons programs was deliberately hyped and distorted by the Bush administration in the months before the war, against officials at the White House and Pentagon who have long been dismissive of what they see as an overly cautious culture at the CIA.

For the intelligence analysts and officers, the conflict revolves around principles that they consider central to their work, including the need to produce independent assessments of foreign threats that are uncontaminated by the policy views of top officials at the White House, State Department and Pentagon.

"I think what is going on is that the career intelligence officers, the operators and the analysts, are fighting to preserve their special status as professional, nonpartisan intelligence officers," said one senior former CIA official. "I think a lot of them are very angry at the way the Pentagon has tried to bully them and pressure them into reaching certain conclusions on Iraq. This leak case is symptomatic, it is another episode in this cultural war."


http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2132262
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