Democratic Party WILL go after Senator Snowe (R-ME)!!

[yankeefanatic3]

Hinted From DSCC.org:
"TOP TIER DEMS ARE CHALLENGING VULNERABLE REPUBLICANS: Top tier Democrats like Claire McCaskill and Bob Casey are among those challenging GOP Senators in PA, RI, MT, MO, and AZ. Keep an eye out for more quality candidates to emerge in the coming weeks in states like Ohio and Maine."

http://www.dscc.org/news/roundup/20050830_mccaskill/

[Kerrytravelers]

1. Yep. My heart is breaking.

[bryant69]

2. Wonder how serious that is

It's hard to tell with these kinds of things - cause it's not like they would really say "Well we have a real loser to run against Olympia Snow - this person hasn't got two brain cells to rub together, so it's pretty much a lost cause"

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[MADem]

3. The money will tell the tale

Honestly, Olympia is not the GOP's worst...she's more liberal in some regards than some Democrats. I mean, who would you rather have represent you--Olympia or Zell Miller?

[Prodemsouth]

15. Zell Miller is a far out extreme, because we had Zell down in Georgia

does not mean someone like him is opting to replace Snowe. Your rationalizing supporting her. I bet she will vote for Roberts - but you will excuse it because Democrats in Conservative states voted for Roberts.

[MADem]

19. WHAT???

I never said that someone like Zell was opting to replace Snowe. All I said is that she is not as bad as some. And I live in a very liberal state, thank you--I used to have a DON'T BLAME ME, I'M FROM MASSACHUSETTS sticker on my old car. Olympia may be GOP, but she is New England GOP, and there IS a difference.

She comes down well on women's issues, on issues that have to do with integrity, and she is one of the few in the GOP that have dared to give Chimpy any shit. I'd say she's more of a Dem than, say, former Sen. Breaux...

That said, if I lived in her state and the Dem had any talent at all, I would vote for the Dem. But not everyone would, because performance is what ensures incumbency. If she has good constituent services and outreach, that makes her tough to beat. Also, she has some high=level constituents (Poppy and Babs) who can help her raise money....another thing that makes her tough to beat.

And she probably will vote for Roberts, as will enough Democrats to get that bastard through. Unless they can find the polaroids of that guy screwing a donkey in an Uncle Sam Hat, he is going up. I won't "excuse" it, as you hastily suggest (without even knowing where I stand on the matter), but I will see it as damn near inevitable, absent the uncovering of some devastating info WRT the candidate.

[Prodemsouth]

23. If Bush is unpopular, I don't think having Poppy and Babs raise

money will help. You said it in your post.."women's issues." Thats why. She has not given Bush that much shit..he knows she has stray from camp, she could get away with alot more. Hagel, Republican Senator from NEBRASKA, a very red state, has given Bush more shit that she has. Very poor economic record backing Bush. As I said I just think the Democrats have not been trying too hard and thats why people think she can't be beat. She can't be beat because no has really tried, same goes for Susan Collins and Lincoln Chafee. The National political landscape is different now- and despite all politics being local that does make a difference. 94 election proves there can be a winning national campaign> There was also a difference between southern democrats and the National Democratic party- it didn't stop the GOP down here. I guess you are happy with people like Lott and Frist running the Senate, Snowe votes for them to be in charge..

[MADem]

26. You might want to learn how politics works

Sen. Frist, R-Tennessee, was unanimously chosen to replace Lott on Monday in a vote of acclamation by Republicans in the incoming Senate, participants said. http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/23/frist.republicans/

In separate closed-door sessions, Mississippi Republican Sen. Trent Lott was the unanimous choice of Senate Republicans to serve as majority leader in the 105th Congress, while Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) got the nod from Democrats. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/9612/03/2dornan.recount/

They pick the guy AHEAD of time, the decision is MADE before the vote is taken.

I must say, I cannot understand why you are berating me simply for not accepting your parochial view, and making blanket statements like "I guess you are happy with people like Lott and Frist running the Senate, Snowe votes for them to be in charge.."

That is a cheap shot, and false. You guess wrong.

You clearly are looking for a fight, I will not oblige you.

Good evening.

[Prodemsouth]

28. Not looking for a fight. I just don't understand why people go out

of their way to fall over themselves praising a nonimal conservative not a moderate, because a bone or two is tossed their way on a pet issue. People can't seem to understand we are living in a different country. If You are comfortable with a "New England Republican" fine, people were comfortable with sourthern democrats down here for a long time after the national party changed. If you are watch the country get more conservative, because these southern Democratic seats are not coming back anytime soon. Daschel was used to defeat Max Cleland down here in Georgia. I know the way the senate works- but thats the question people are given down here - do you want Daschel running the Senate- vote for Chambliss if you don't. Is it so bad or inpolite to use Frist or Lott to gain a seat? Why can't New Englanders get their hands a little dirty. Not fighting or being too polite is why we don't have the White House, Kerry and his camp just could not get their hands dirty.

[T Town Jake]

32. "Not looking for a fight"....

...oh yes you were. From the second you joined this thread and started typing attitude, you were looking for a scrape. Sure enough, you found it. Please quit pretending otherwise.

[Wabbajack]

4. She ain't vulnerable

:(

[kiraboo]

6. As a Mainer, I'm going to have to agree with you. I'm pretty

comfortable with Snowe despite her supposed support for the war. (It'd be hard to find a democrat who didn't claim to support it initially.) The economics of this state force her to take a liberal stance on a whole range of issues. Possibly. But not certainly.

[Pepperbelly]

8. one thing though ...

When it comes to the nut-cutting, she rides with Georgie. Every time. If they can find someone, more power to them. I would rather have even a Zell Miller, so long as he voted to organize with the Democrats. The Political Oddsmaker does have her as a 7-1 favorite against the field however so he apparently does not think her vulneragle either.

[tedoll78]

11. Yup.

No matter how "moderate" she claims to be, she enables fiends like Frist and Lott to be Majority Leader, who then proceed to set a radical radical agenda. I find her support for them to be too radical for my tastes.

[Prodemsouth]

16. Maine voters can be turned around with a good campaign

things are different bush and the Republicans have too much power and Bush is very unpopular in New England. If the Dems do like the Repugs did in the south she may not lose this time but she will be very vulnerable the next time. She has good odds because the Dems have never mounted a serious challange.

[Pepperbelly]

24. Steven King. nt

[Prodemsouth]

27. Steven King? you mean the author, Steven King. Sorry I don't

know what you mena.

[kiraboo]

30. I don't know what he means either, but I sure wish Stephen King

would run. He had a Kerry sign a mile high in his yard, and everything I hear from him suggests that he is a thoughtful, rational man who understands Maine's strengths and weakensses. His commencement speech here was fantastic. Not only is he a humanist, but he's also a realist. I admire the man and whatever you think of his books, I think you might like his politics.

Damn, that's a really great idea. I wonder if he's thought of it.

[Davis_X_Machina]

25. As long as she is counted as GOP...

...for determining majority/minority status, I don't care if Snowe kisses lepers and walks on water.

I don't care if she's Hubert Humphrey with tits.

When she votes for Harry Reid when the majority leader is chosen, then -- and only then -- we can talk.

[Prodemsouth]

14. I suggest you go back and look at her voting record!! She voted

for the bankrucpty bill and supported much of Bush's economic agenda. The only thing is she is she says she is pro choice. And throws out a bone or two to gay rights occassionally. Because she is nice people are ready to kiss her ass. i bet you curse Lieberman and he voted aginst Bush much more than Snowe. You are rationalizing your support for her.

[Lefty48197]

5. If she's so moderate, why did she vote for Dr. Fristenstein as leader?

Didn't she vote for Trent Lott too? Some moderate.

[jackbourassa]

7. Some things to consider

She may be popular. And from everything I have heard she is. But there are areas in which we may weaken her or perhaps defeat her:

1) Anti-Republican sentiment in a solidly blue state. We just need to bring up (over and over) her support for Bush and Republican initatives. The war. The tax cuts, etc. Just repeat ad nauseum.

2) She was first elected in 1994. When Republican Senators were promising term limits for Senators of two terms. That expires this election. I'm not sure what her position was. But worth looking into.

3) The need for a Democratic Senate. This could be an issue by itself. We can ask: Who would you prefer as leader of the Senate Harry Reid or Trent Lott/Bill Frist.

Make these the issues. Don't make the issue Senator Snowe or her positions. Make it about the Republicans.

We do have some good possible candidates in Maine.

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. If she were to repudiate the repubs and run as a dem

she'd be a shoo-in, and no one could touch her.

Maybe someone could suggest it to her.

[Lefty48197]

17. I'd hoped she would do that for years. She had her chance when Jeffords

left. Screw her now. She's done enough to screw us in the years since. I don't think I'd want her in our party now.

[Prodemsouth]

20. Now you are talking!! thats what the Republicans did in the South

and look at the results!!! only 4 Democratic Senators left. Rhode Isalnd is the state that has Bush with the lowest ratings. F..k Patrick Kennedy, if he likes Chaffee and don't want to run aginst him pour money on the guy or gal that wants that seat. We need the god damn seat. Very simple Chaffee = more power for Bush. Snowe= more power for Bush. Why can't the Democrats up north do this.. are they too pink tutu..too stupid??

[MADem]

22. Well, those votes are always unanimous, along party lines

The D's and R's go to their corners, there's a good deal of kibbitzing and campaigning that goes on behind the scenes, and when they vote, it is all AYE for their preselected guy, straight down the line.

So that's kind of a silly thing to call her out on, a party-line vote like that...vote against your leader, and you will never get a bill to the floor, for heaven's sake!!!

[MADem]

31. Because that is always a party line vote

Frist was elected "by acclamation" via TELEPHONE, FWIW.

How much chance do you think a GOP senator, in a GOP led senate, would have of getting ANY legislation to benefit their constituency passed if they voted against their own party?

[FloridaPat]

9. Be nice if they went after * and Cheney

[Prodemsouth]

12. Uhh I don't think they are running - but you know if impeachment

is a possible in might not hurt to have another Senate seat in our hands.

[Prodemsouth]

10. Excellent News!! Democrats ( esp. social liberals) are queasy

about going after Senators like Snowe and Chafee and these so called moderate Republicans. They toss them one or two bones on gay rights and pro choice and they are ready to not only vote for them but kiss their feet. But let A Democrat vote the wrong way one time and look out. All the Dems need to do is make sense and mention Bush's name every time the mention Snowe or Chaffee. It worked down south. The Repugs would mention the Dems name, who was usually a moderate or a conserative Dem along with Ted Kennedy or McGovern and later Clinton and it worked wonders down here for the Republicans. Only four Democratic Senators left in all of the south. We need to make up those seats somewhere why not in areas where people have been voting for your Presidental candidiate. Why not run a a winning candidnate in the stae where Bush is the least popular, Rhode Island?? Duhhh.. Re-electing Snowe or re-electing Chaffee helps Bush. That needs to be pointed out over and over again. God I hope Dems and liberals end this pink tutu attitude with these moderate Republicans.

[MadeinOhio]

18. Good I guess...

But I don't really dislike Snowe I think she is a very good republican. There's nothing all that amazing about her but, she is not some crazed neocon and she is definitely a person of the people.

IMO if it is Snowe or a democrat it doesn't make any difference to me. I want someone though who is not anything like the DLC candidate Evan Bayh or a neocon, anyone other then that especially for my family in Maine.

[David Zephyr]

21. Good. Howard Dean promised a 50 state strategy. 50 states it is.

Except for Bernie in Vermont who is getting a fat check from me next year.

[Prodemsouth]

29. I donm't think we have to worry about Bernie voting for Frist.

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