Freerepublic comments on Rush

[VermontDem2004]

What they're ignoring is that TJ (a blackman) agreed. The whole set basically came to the conclusion that the Eagles success was built primarily on defense and that indeed McNabb had gotten more credit than he deserved. Most side stepped the issue of why but in a PC world where a team gets fined for making quick decisions on which coach to hire the answer is pretty obvious.


4 posted on 09/30/2003 9:45 AM PDT by discostu (just a tuna sandwich from another catering service)

Actually he didn't, TJ said he was the one who went to all those pro bowls, he was the one who went to those championship games, and he was the one making the plays with his legs.


I agree with him.. everyone is so affraid ..


7 posted on 09/30/2003 9:49 AM PDT by Tank-FL (Keep the Faith - GO VMI Beat Liberty this weekend in Lynchburg)

I do. The slur is that blacks are not smart enough to be quarterbacks, so the league would like to put this to rest.
So far no really good black quarterback has emerged, and McNabb is a case in point. It may simply be that young blacks avoid the position and so not enough of them are getting trained in that role. Or it might be genetics. Just as blacks have greater leg strength, so whites naturally have better arm strength or eye co-ordination. Johnny U was said to have the ability to scope the whole field even when he was on the move. That narrow ability may more common in the white gene pool.


17 posted on 09/30/2003 9:55 AM PDT by RobbyS (nd)

That above comment is just stupid imo, McNabb has emerged and Michael Vick is on the move to be a great QB in this league, I believe Randall Cunningham was a great QB earlier in his carrer

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[VermontDem2004]

1. Let me add

Steve McNair, Kordell Stewart, Jeff Blake(earlier in his career), Quincy Carter is looking sharp with Parcells as his coach, and Aaron Brooks.

[hsubegroeg]

7. For every half-decent black quarterback named, I can name 10 great

White Quarterbacks.

Michael Vick:

Joe Montana, Steve Young, Dan Marino, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Joe Namath, Brett Farve, Dan Fouts, and Drew Bledsoe.

[CatWoman]

10. You're just proving everyone's point

The white QB's had every opportunity.

The opportunity to play.

The opportunity to grow.

The opportunity to excel.

That can not be said for Black QBs.

As someone mentioned, two great black QBs had to play in the Canadian football league because the NFL didn't want anything to do with them.

[blondeatlast]

15. Read his posts while they are here

Buh-bye, h*ubeg*o*g

[WoodrowFan]

20. hsubegroeg is George Bush backwards BTW

just pointing it out.

[hsubegroeg]

16. Bullcrap

The Denver Broncos drafted the first black QB in the late 60's, he failed as a QB after 1 year and later became a reciever, he later played WR for the undefeated Miami Dolphins. Black QBs always had a chance to succeed in this league.

[CatWoman]

22. yeah, you know all about failure, don't you

btw: Bush sucks!!

[GainesT1958]

35. Well, if Freddie Freeloader Freeper doesn't know about failure now...

CATWOMAN--He's suuure going to learn a lot about failure next year!:D

The longer I live, the more I thank God I was raised to be a Democrat!

:kick:

B-)

[VermontDem2004]

27. I know all about that

Except he didn't "fail" as a QB, he won Rookie of the Year but the NFL was racist at the time and wouldn't let him develop as a QB.

[dkamin]

28. I can make the same argument for politicians

which doesn't really prove much, other than that most or all blacks were pretty much denied the opportunity to play QB and be politicians for a good part of our history.

a more logical argument would be "for ever half-decent black quarterback PLAYING TODAY, i can name 10 great white quarterbacks PLAYING TODAY."

as anybody with even a modicum of logic (i.e. non-racist, non-Freeper) would be able to tell you, you can't compare apples and oranges. since there were no black qbs for most of football's history, there's no benchmark to compare black vs. white performance at that position during those time periods.

today, i would say there are 4 very good, or possibly great, black QBs: Vick, McNabb, Culpepper and McNair. there are maybe 5 white QBs who compare to this group: Gannon, Bledsoe, Garcia, Favre, Warner. however, gannon was a journeyman for most of his career who's only had success in the last few years, Warner has had maybe 2-3 really really good seasons, and Garcia is probably a step out.

at their primes, i'd probably take Favre, then McNair, McNabb, Bledsoe, and then Culpepper, with the caveat that Vick might end up being the greatest ever, though he could just as likely be a spectacular flameout.

as of their abilities right now, i'd probably take McNair, McNabb, Bledsoe, Culpepper, Gannon, Favre. that may not be your opinion, but i think most football analysts would say that's a reasonable approximation of the best QBs today.

[underpants]

2. No great black QB's have emerged?

So far no really good black quarterback has emerged, and McNabb is a case in point. It may simply be that young blacks avoid the position and so not enough of them are getting trained in that role. Or it might be genetics. Just as blacks have greater leg strength, so whites naturally have better arm strength or eye co-ordination.

McNabb takes his team (which wasn't winning 9-0) to two straight Conference title games and that is nothing. How many QB's have done that?

No great black QB's-Ever heard of Warren Moon? He spent his salad days in the CFL becasue THE NFL DIDN'T WANT BLACK QB'S!

"How long hav eyou been a black quarterback?" asked to Doug Williams. Now Williams by no means a great QB but he did have that one year and he did have that incredible 2nd quarter in the Super Bowl.

This bozo needs to realize that having black QB's in the league is a rarely new phenomenon. Hell when McNair was coming out of Alcorn State they were still trying to get him to become a Safety, or at least there was some talk of it I remember. That was what 7 years ago?

Then he goes into Jimmy the Greek territory. :eyes:

[underpants]

4. I missed a whole sentence there

It may simply be that young blacks avoid the position and so not enough of them are getting trained in that role.

Huh? Who didn't want to be the QB? What is happening is that NOW they are getting the chance to paly the position. Hell blacks have been outstanding college level QB's for decades.

[GainesT1958]

33. I'll never forget when I was in high school in the late 70s...

NFL "scouts" were STILL saying what UNDERPANTS mentioned some actually said of Steve McNair: "Oh, sure; he's a good QB in college, but he'll be picked as a DB or WR for the NFL".

Basically implying: "he's black, so he's JUST NOT SMART ENOUGH to play QB in the NFL!" :mad:

That's the sort of thing guys like Doug Williams, Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham had to put up with--which I'm sure to them seemed like a kind of Jackie Robinson redux. But, they had to have asked, THAT was in 1947. Why was it still happening in the America of the 70s and 80s?

This Freeper guy is as "Full of S***" as his ditto-master Rush, not to mention as big a biggot. You know, I'D spell Dub's name backwards these days, too, if I were he--it's just FAR too embarrassing to admit you're actually FOR an unelected, lying moron who coddles traitors to his country. :grr:

B-)

[underpants]

41. Some mention needs to be made of BLACK CENTERS in the NFL

They used to be as rare as left handed catchers with the exception of Dwight Stephenson ( Miami Dolphins 1980-87). Stephenson was only allowed to play center because he was so good it didn't make since to play him anywhere else.

Centers basically are the QB's of the line. They usually call the blocking schemes and audible at the line. As with QB's blacks rarely go the chance to play center, I think it was a trust thing. Blacks could have the ball in their hands as running backs or wideouts but to actually let them direct and control the offense was not seen as a good move.

I think there are more black centers now than there used to be (2 or 3) but not to the extent you would think. That is one of the dirty little secrets of the NFL and football in general.

[Bandit]

3. "so whites naturally have better arm strength or eye co-ordination."

Does the name Michael Jorden ring a bell to anyone?

[underpants]

5. Yeah but how many blacks are in the NBA?

You can see that MJ is outside of the norm.

:eyes:

[frylock]

8. "so whites naturally have better arm strength or eye co-ordination."

or Bob Gibson?!

[hsubegroeg]

9. You hypocrytes

You get on Rush for making Donovan's faux success a racial issue, but then you two say that black athletes are better.

[CatWoman]

11. You are not only a hypocrite

but a jackass to boot.

[frylock]

12. when did i say that black athletes are better?!

I mentioned that Bob Gibson had tremendous strength and control. Go back to FR, troll.

[denverbill]

13. Learn how to spell newbie.

[denverbill]

17. By the way, Bush sucks.

And Schwarzenegger is a liberal.

[hsubegroeg]

19. I don't like Schwarzenegger

Where did you get the idea I did? jackass.

[CatWoman]

24. ooooooo

into beastiality too, huh?

How is that hot jackass sex?

[StopTheMorans]

25. Catwoman, you have to talk to him on his level (i.e. O'Really

and Fatboy): SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hehe, too late, he already got his tombstone. So long loser...

[Kamika]

26. later

cya dude

[myrna minx]

18. At least you know how to "spell" backwards.

:eyes: I see a tombstone...

[StopTheMorans]

21. faux success?

hope you enjoyed your short and uninspiring stay here, next time, learn how to spell better:)

[el_gato]

23. strawman arguement hsubegroeg

don't you have a cross to burn or something?

[5thGenDemocrat]

29. Doug Williams threw five TD passes in one quarter of the Super Bowl

NO white QB has ever done that.
John
There are times I'm glad I was a sportswriter.

[CatWoman]

30. Doug shattered so many records with that memorable performance

I still have it on video.

Have to relive my glory days from time to time :D

[VermontDem2004]

32. But I don't think that has anything to do with being black

Peyton Manning threw 6 touchdowns in a game the other day, I know it wasn't the super bowl but that was impressive. Some days QB's are hot and some days qb's are cold, that day Doug Williams was streaking. But it has more to do with practice then skin color.

[GainesT1958]

40. Donovan McNabb is successful...

Because he's JUST PLAIN GOOD--and because somebody a lot less racist than Freeper boy here gave him the chance to do what he deserved to do: start!

Yeah, that's what I want: Rush to tell me someone's overrated as a QB just because of their skin color. Hey Freddie Freeloader Freeper, if Rush were your coach, you'd DEFINITELY set a new NFL standard for FUTILITY! :crazy:

B-)

[Gringo]

6. I'd try to get in on this...

After all, I hate Limabaugh as much as anyone, but when the conversation turns to football, my eyes start to glaze over...

[Rex]

14. Yeah - Warren Moon was just a fluke.

To Free Republic I say - "bitch, please!" :eyes:

[DiverDave]

31. Lets see...

Doug Williams, Super Bowl MVP.
Doug Williams, who came to the Redskins from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1986, won Super Bowl XXII Most Valuable Player honors when he led Washington to a 42-10 rout of the Denver Broncos. Williams completed 18 of 29 passes for 340 yards and four touchdowns in the victory. Williams outdueled the Broncos' John Elway, connecting on two long bombs of 80 and 50 yards to Ricky Sanders and a 27-yard pass to Gary Clark.

Warren Moon,

Renowned for his polished presence, consummate professionalism, quick release and, yes, that gorgeous tight spiral, Moon's career statistics are simply staggering:


Overall, Moon completed 5,754 of 8,865 pass attempts for 73,561 yards and 464 touchdowns, both pro football records.

In six CFL regular seasons, he was 1,369 of 2,832 for 21,228 yards, 144 TDs and five consecutive Grey Cup championships (1978-82).

He was Grey Cup MVP in 1980 and 1982 and won the Schenley Award as CFL MVP in 1983.

In 17 NFL regular seasons, he was 3,988 of 6,823 for 49,325 yards and 291 TDs.

He was named to eight straight Pro Bowls -- an NFL record.

He ranks third in NFL history in pass attempts, pass completions and passing yardage.

He is fourth all-time in NFL TD passes.

He is third in 300-yard games with 49, nine of which came in 1990 -- an NFL record.

He trails only Dan Marino in 4,000-yard NFL seasons with four.

He is third in 3,000-yard NFL seasons with nine.

Whats more, Moon rewrote the CFL record book with 5,648 total yards passing in 1983, including 555 yards against the Montreal Alouettes on October 15.
His 527 passing yards against the Kansas City Chiefs on December 16, 1990 are second to Norm Van Brocklin's NFL standard of 554 yards set in 1951.

I could go on, but I think you get my point.

Oh, and Black folks can do everything a HUMAN can because, well, they are.
Human that is.

Dave

[Rex]

34. Thanks for the stats on Moon, I grew up watching him play

in Houston...I've never seen anyone throw like Moon, he could lay a football into a baby's arms at 50 yards.

Oh yeah, and I still wince when I think about that miracle comeback by the Bills in the playoffs (forgot the year...I'm old).

[DiverDave]

37. I was in a pool

That you could pick the team, then if they lost you paid $5
I got the oilers.
That Buffalo game BROKE MY HEART!!
The split for the super bowl, in this pool was 550-835
So I lost at least 550.
At halftime I was spending my money...

[Rex]

39. Ouch!

An old Army buddy (who is from NY) still won't let me forget about that dam game! He's now stationed at Ft. Hood, so when he brings it up I just ask - "so how do you like the Texas summers?" Hehe...I'm so mean!

[LeahMira]

36. Oh good grief!!!

Or it might be genetics. Just as
blacks have greater leg strength, so whites naturally have better arm strength or eye co-ordination. Johnny U was
said to have the ability to scope the whole field even when he was on the move. That narrow ability may more
common in the white gene pool.


Somebody actually said that? In 2003??? Surely they aren't serious?
:scared:

[kentuck]

38. Bullshit!

:mad: