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jos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 08:22 AM
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Arianna for Governor?
California could do worse. And she'd be better than Diane (DLC) Feinstein or Leon (poster boy for economic constipation) Panetta.

http://www.alternet.org/print.html?StoryID=16397

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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 08:26 AM
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1. No, that would play directly into their hands
The only hope for the Democrats is to run only one candidate.
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Peachhead22 Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 08:54 AM
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2. She's an independent
On Larry King the other day one of the first things she made clear is that she's an independent. She's not a registered Dem or Pub. If she ran she'd give California Dems an acceptible alternative to Ahnold and Issa without the California Democratic Party showing no confidence in Davis by running a candidate.

I'm under the impression that the vote to recall and the vote for a relacement are two seperate questions on the ballot. So California Dems could vote "No" I don't want Grey Davis recalled. But if he ends up being recalled anyways, Huffington is an acceptible alternative.
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jos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 11:01 AM
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7. Right
It is two separate ballots. And Democrats would be stupid not to run someone in the event that happens. Are they going to leave the field to two or three Republicans, with only the outside chance that the Green candidate will win in such a divided field? Actually, that doesn't sound like such a bad idea!:think:
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 09:48 AM
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4. the only hope for the Democrats is that enough people vote No
I don't think any Democrat should run, because that just says to me "Democrats are worried that Davis is going to lose"

One good thing about having a lot of different non-Democrats on the ticket is that the vote is split on the side of the people recalling.

Californians! If the vote happens, you can vote no on the top-part and still vote for another candidate! I still say Bill Lockyer should run.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 09:13 AM
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3. Interesting
Edited on Tue Jul-15-03 09:15 AM by Jack Rabbit
I hadn't heard that Arianna was going to be a candidate.

I would not label her progressive. She's a maverick conservative. Nowadays, any conservative who shows more loyalty to the truth and to the traditional priciples of American government than to the thugs in the White House is a maverick.

Arianna published a piece last week in which she provided better reasons for recalling Davis than those pushing the move do. However, while these reasons are better than others being advanced, they still do not persuade me to vote to recall Davis should it come to that.

Governor Davis was re-elected less than a year ago. Those pushing the recall have failed to come up with any information now that we didn't know about him then. The recall of an elected official is not like a regular contested election. If those behind the recall can show me new information about Davis that is a lot more reliable than the Niger document and serious enough to send him to prison, then I will reconsider my decision to vote to retain him should it be necessary. A governor should not be recalled because things aren't going right, and certainly not just because somebody didn't like the results of the last election and has a lot of money to force a new one.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 09:55 AM
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5. good analysis, Jack Rabbit
Do you think it will get past the courts?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 10:43 AM
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6. It will get past the courts
According to the California state constitution, the reasons for recall are not subject to review. Those driving the recall don't have to give good reasons.

However, we, the ciitzens, should make that judgment. The reasons presented just don't do it. Again, I believe Arianna's reasons are better ones and I recommend reading her piece. However, as fara as this citizen is concerned, they aren't quite good enough.

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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 11:03 AM
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8. I'm not sure it will get past the courts
The signature collectors are from out of state. If that can be proved, then many sigs can be thrown out. You also have the question of Issa's contributions and whether they are illegal. I think eventually it may get on the ballot, but court cases may delay it until the Dem primary.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 11:26 AM
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9. It may not in that respect
I understood T's question to be about the validiity of the recall itself, not the process of gathering signatiures.

The recall backers turned in 1.6 million signatures. Of those, 900,000 must be valid. The courts may rule against some of the sigs on these grounds. Whether that will throw out enough remains to be seen.
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TexasEditor Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:47 PM
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14. White House aids recall...
Edited on Tue Jul-15-03 02:48 PM by TexasEditor
I think they want a Republican governor so they can try some redistricting, Texas-style.
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Moosenose Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:00 PM
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10. I don't trust her....
She used to be a repuke. She has a long way to go before I believe that she wouldn't sell us out.
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:01 PM
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11. She is still a conservative in many ways.
She is not what we want in a governor anymore than Arnold is.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:09 PM
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12. I still say the whole issue is MOOT
Edited on Tue Jul-15-03 02:10 PM by Capn Sunshine
Davis WILL resign if it looks bad enough; after allowing the conservonut minority in this state to make total asses of themselves, ensuring the Dem majority will continue for years to come. Its such an easy, obvious heroic strategy that would allow him to run for other office ( mayor, senate, congress?) as a selfless HERO.

Just sit back and enjoy the gyrations of the Repugs as they eat their own. It's always a good sideshow. Scorch THIS, Darryl.
:nuke:
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:34 PM
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13. I hear the Lt. Gov. (Bustamente) is well liked in CA.
Under the right circumstances, by resigning, Davis could make them eat it.
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