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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:51 PM
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CAFTA vote shows why DLC has got to GO
15 votes. If those democrats who voted for CAFTA had gone the other way or even not voted, CAFTA wouldn't have passed.

This is why we need PROGRESSIVE Democrats in congress, not just corporate whores wearing our team's jersey.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:54 PM
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1. 3 out of 15 were DLC
We need progressive Democrats in the Congress, I agree, but attack who needs to be attacked, and these is these 15 dems specifically.

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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:57 PM
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3. The DLC organization was pushing hard for this
The fact that many of their members rejected their recommended stance is a good sign that the organization is not beyond help.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:07 PM
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5. I'm thinking it's a sign that the DLC is in decline
When their own members aren't listening to their policy recommendations anymore I would say that's a good sign that their loosing power and influence in the democratic party.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:36 AM
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12. No, they only expose the required members. They'll switch
on something else later.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:22 AM
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13. Maybe they rejected it because they knew there was enough
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 01:22 AM by Skwmom
votes to pass it and they didn't want to hurt their 06/08 plans.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:03 PM
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4. Blue Dogs?
Did you check how many were Blue Dogs? I didn't see the usual suspects, off the top of my head. But maybe that's what happened. :shrug:
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:10 PM
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6. Here is the list.
I am not familiar with who is Blue Dog and who is not.

Melissa Bean (IL)
Jim Cooper (TN)
Henry Cuellar (TX)
Norm Dicks (WA)
Ruben Hinojosa (TX)
William Jefferson (LA)
Jim Matheson (UT)
Greg Meeks (NY)
Dennis Moore (KS)
Jim Moran (VA)
Solomon Ortiz (TX)
Ike Skelton (MO)
Vic Snyder (AR)
John Tanner (TN)
Ed Towns (NY)
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:23 PM
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10. I never heard of a single one of these assholes ( instant fame)
They are probably Republicans that ran as Democrats, you know, whats in a name?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:26 PM
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11. Nope
Just Cooper and Tanner. But some of those names are names I recognize from the bankruptcy and/or energy bills, Cuellar, Hinojosa, Meeks, Skelton, Ortiz. I'm still suspecting some of it has to do with the district. We either need to help them educate their districts, or explain their districts to the rest of the party.

http://www.house.gov/tanner/blue.htm
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:55 PM
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2. I don't disagree with you that they should have voted no, but why
are you blaming it on the DLC?

I checked the list of Yes Dems and didn't recognize any of them so I don't know.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:13 PM
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7. Because the DLC supported CAFTA
n/t
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:14 PM
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8. About the DLC and globalization, it goes back to the mid90's
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=762&kaid=108&s...
I won't repeat any of that article but there is a statement by the DLC about its orientation to globalization.

By 2008 it is likely that protectionism and nationalism will be so important as to make the DLC embarrassed by this.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:18 PM
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9. both being as bad as globalism, unfortunately.
Progressives should fight so that the standards of living of ALL workers improve.
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