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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:54 AM
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**The NEXT Big Thing: * STOLE IT!!! Outright! Great info source!!!
GREAT STUFF HAPPENING IN ELECTION RESULTS & DISCUSSION (ERD) FORUM:

VOTING RIGHTS & ELECTION FRAUD ARE THE NEXT BIG THING AFTER DSM AND RoveGATE. CHECK IT OUT!!!


The Crisis papers: GOP Certain to Win in 2006 Unless DU ERD Poster At Liberty

Nothing less will budge the GOP from the White House and the Congress. After all, their private sector supporters count and compile the votes with secret software and do so with no official independent means of validation. These facts about voting in the United States are publicly known and undisputed. And yet, despite compelling and unrefuted evidence of voting fraud, no one, except some determined citizen groups and a small minority of members of Congress, appear to be bothered enough to take action.

Highly Irregular by Matt Tiabbi (Ohio Election Story is Coming Back!)
DU ERD Poster Terre


I can only speak for myself, but I think that as a result of all of this, I was inclined to dismiss as a waste of time any discussion of what happened in Ohio. The story wasn't going anywhere. Even if there was evidence of wrongdoing, how could it possibly be more incontrovertible than the evidence in Florida? And given that nothing happened when Bush stole the election in front of the entire world in Florida, why bother making a fuss now in Ohioespecially since John Kerry was clearly many millions of votes less of a victim than Al Gore?

Well, I don't think that way anymore.

The Unanswered Question: Who Really Won in 2004 DU ERD Poster TruthIsAlls Ground Breaking Analysis & article by DU ERD Poster autorank as it appeared in "Scoop" Independent News this month

According to the vote tabulators, in the 2004 presidential election George W. Bush won a stunning victory that defied all odds, particularly those applied by unbiased statisticians. He won despite trailing in most state and national polls. He won despite an approval rating of less than 50%, usually the death knell for an incumbent presidential candidate. He won despite trailing in the three National Exit Polls three timelines from 4pm to 12:22 am (13047 respondents) by a steady 48%-51%, miraculously winning the final exit poll (with only 613 additional respondents, totaling 13,660). This poll was weighted (altered) to meet the reported election result on the assumption that the reported result was accurate -- quite an assumption. The final poll showed a stunning reversal of the Kerry 51%-48% poll margin, which had been measured consistently all day by the same polling group: major news/networks and polling firm Edison-Mitofsky.


Election Reform, Fraud, & Related News Posted daily by DU ERD Poster MelissaB
Great news stories from around the country complied daily just for you.


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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:58 AM
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:58 AM
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2. Recommended and Happy Birthday Autorank! n/t
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 10:49 AM
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66. kick n/t
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:01 AM
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3. Happy Birthday! Recommended
:party:
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:13 AM
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4. Happy Birthday, Autorank!
And thanks for posting this in here - spread the good word!

:party:
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:19 AM
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5. Don't forget to buy Harper's Magazine August issue!
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 10:20 AM by IndyOp
Thank you AUTORANK - Great post!

The front cover of Harper's August issue features Mark Crispin Miller's article:

NONE DARE CALL IT STOLEN
Ohio, the Election, and America's Servile Press

The final paragraph:

"In this nation's epic struggle on behalf of freedom, reason, and democracy, the press has unilaterally disarmed - and therefore many good Americans, both liberal and conservative, have lost faith in the promise of self-government. That vast surrender is demoralizing, certainly, but if we face it, it will not prove fatal. This democracy can survive a plot to hijack an election. What it cannot survive is our indifference to, or unawareness of, the evidence that such a plot has succeeded."

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:36 AM
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this is the issue for me -- we will not survive indifference.
it's why i came to DU.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 03:37 PM
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22. This ismy primary issue to -- "indifference" will be a thing of the past
SOON!
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:43 AM
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12. I'll get the Harper's August issue today.
Love that final paragraph that you quote. Excellent.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:29 PM
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15. The entire article is excellent!
Now all we DU'ers have to do is make a few 100,000 copies of the article and send them to media, friends, family, and (s)elected officials.

We also need bumper stickers, T-shirts, mugs, and a "NONE DARE CALL IT STOLEN" website.

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:09 PM
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14. that's great!
Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:


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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:21 AM
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6. Needs more cowbell... I have no pic abilities though. Anyone want to
cowbell?

Nommies for ER&D!!!
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:07 AM
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7. now, tell me, could i forget your birthday?
no way, autorank!

:party: wishing you A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :toast:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:11 AM
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8. the Democratic Party Inc. is NOT interested in election fraud IMO and
here in california the democrat controlled legislature appointed a republican as secretary of state, replacing a DEMOCRAT! do I believe the dems as a business care about whether elections are stolen?

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

PS - there are a few dems who care, think Conyers for president.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:02 PM
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23. Conyers for "The Architect" --
If they don't care now, they will shortly when DSM and RoveGATE break wide open. This issue will be driven by the public...there will be a demand to know how we got here and we know, a stolen election!

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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:49 PM
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45. I keep hoping
the more horrible truths are revealed- and BushInc. weakens and becomes more dispised by MORE folks, the more the less intimidated the media will be and hopefully the election fraud FACTS will be more fully revealed.
We need real investigations, prosecutions, Impeachment and punishement to fully restore our democracy.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 10:48 PM
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68. You're right...don't give up hoping...keep contributing
There is too much TRUTH out now to bury the facts: 2004 was stolen; 2002 GA Senate (at least) was stolen; 2000 FL was stolen.

The results of the theft are devastating: $300 billion wasted in Iraq; thousands of lives lost; devastation of our good will overseas (impeding our ability to fight terror); undue stress and harm to the US Army; a near-dictatorship of corporations and government--all owing the industrious to steal everything that's not nailed down.

You're right! We need investigations, public awareness, and corrective action SOON.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:17 AM
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9. Recommended.
Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:36 AM
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10. Kick!
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:41 AM
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11. happy birthday autorank~ heres to fighting the good and much needed
fight

thank you for all you do and to tia and everyone who is working to get the truth out
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:07 PM
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13. kick and nom'd -- nt
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:39 PM
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16. Thanks for the post. Don't forget to twork on this stuff at the local
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:42 PM
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17. I thought the Matt Taibbi post was the big one
Why? He was on the "Daily Show" and talking about a book he had out on the DNC primaries and he wasn't a big fan of Kerry. So I can't wait to see what he says.
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FrankLee Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:53 PM
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18. Whatever happened to the paper receipt for voting machines?
Is Rush Holt's bill still in committee?

Until we get a paper trail and a method of randomly or systematically recounting the votes, quite a few people, myself included, will not trust any future election results.

It's amazing to me that Republicans continue to block this. I guess they don't want free and fair elections (he said naively).
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:15 PM
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19. It's time for Democratic politicians to go on TV
and openly the challenge the Republicans. Ask them WHY they're AFRAID of open and honest elections. Keep at it until the public pressure builds and they have to create a paper trail.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:31 PM
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28. It would only take one national figure to start the debate..it must happen
Or we're screwed in 2006. These Republicans have a great thing going. As Representative King said "We've taken care of that. We're counting the votes." He was probably a little loaded at the time but he spoke the truth. They don't care about anything but winning.

Voting rights is an issue of universal appeal. That's why we have a Voting Rights Act.

Lets see who belly's up to the bar and stands tall for democracy.
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:56 PM
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31. Someone from the DCCC called me today
(looking for a donation, of course) and we got to talking. I asked him to pass along my message about going on TV and challenging the Republicans. And I made it clear that I thought that our chances for winning are irrelevant until we can ensure honest elections. He said he would send the message upstream (I don't know to whom).
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:22 PM
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37. Good for you. That's what I do with the DNC calls. Give them this link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

It's a comprehensive narrative and set of proofs by TIA. It's clear and anybody with half a brain can follow the narrative and the statistics (well maybe 3/4's of a brain, I say 1/2 because I understand it).

I'll do the same thing.

We should all do this. Get them stuff, just nail them with it.

Good work. They need that feed back.

:hi:
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:18 PM
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42. Thanks. I bookmarked the link. n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:39 AM
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46. Well, lets see how the DemSenCampaignCommittee blog handles this!
http://cassandra.fromtheroots.org /

Will they release it into "general population" or will Cassandra continue to wander the halls telling a truthful tale that no one believes?

:toast:
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:06 AM
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54. Freakin beautiful!
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 02:07 AM by lady lib
Glad you're using your powers for good instead of evil. ;)
:toast: And Happy Birthday!
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 03:15 PM
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20. Russ Holt's site and others
Can link to sites involved here; <http://vvlobbydays.blogspot.com /> <http://www.votersunite.org />
<http://holt.house.gov/issues2.cfm?id=5996 >

"Latest Major Action: 2/2/2005 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on House Administration. " Of course the GOP will try to kill it or render it useless in committee.
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 03:19 PM
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21. in committee 7/26 intorductory remarks!
Has 144 co-sponsers currently

7/26/2005:
Introductory remarks on measure
WOW guess it was just really looked at.
I will write/call to see what if anything they would like US to do at this point.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:39 AM
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65. Welcome to DU, FrankLee!
:toast:

You are absolutely correct in saying that we need paper and we need automatic audits if we are using machines to record and/or count the votes.

As far as 'paper trail' - It is important to distinguish that from a paper ballot or even record. It seems like petty semantics but it makes a big difference legally.

The paper should be the official ballot of record - it should be the final word of the voter's intentions. That way if the tabulation or DRE machines fail (as if that would ever happen ;) ) there is still a reliable ballot.
A 'paper trail' or 'receipt' could mean just about anything, and the paper wouldn't necessarily have any legal standing as a record of the voter's intentions.

The general term of consensus seems to be Voter Verified Paper Ballot or VVPB because it sort of covers all the bases.

I hope that didn't sound nitpicky or anything - we are a little obsessed with definitions here sometimes. It helps us argue more effectively with each other :)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:06 PM
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24. Hey Autorank definitely recommended and Happy birthday, it's my 17th
wedding anniversity as well! (you can tell I'm not a rethug because it's my only marriage.)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:32 PM
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29. (((LOL))) ...right and it's a good one too, I bet.
:hi: Happy anniversary! Regards to the lucky guy.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:08 PM
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35. I drink a toast to you as well, salute! nt
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SonofMass Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:11 PM
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25. 
:rofl:
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:03 PM
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26. Please act now to get rid of e-voting!
We have the power to do it! Work your asses off!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:29 PM
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27. Hey Autorank
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 05:40 PM by FogerRox
Do you want a piece of Birthday cake?
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:fUv-B3FOqS8J:www.... -

Or a piece of this . . cake :


more cake--


Or maybe some on your HEAD


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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:32 PM
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38. (((LOL))) Priceless, especially the first two picx!!!!
Dude, made my day :evilgrin: :rofl:
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:35 PM
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30. a big kick
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 05:36 PM by rumpel
and in memory of Andy


plus a big :toast: on your B-Day
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 06:03 PM
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32. Direct link to 'Add My Forums list'-
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:33 PM
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39. Outstanding...to the 'superior craftsman'
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:28 AM
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48. Thanks, that worked well...
I haven't been in this forum for a while, but it used to be the only one I visited when I first came to DU. You guys really rock. I'll be checking in more often to see what you're up to.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 06:44 PM
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33. Happy Birthday Autorank
Keep the pressure on these b*st*rds.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #33
40. You too....paper ballots, the only way. Lots of eyes in one big room.
Hey, I used to be a member of an organization called "Angry Basterds" so I've had some training. Those guys were really aggressive, I mean they'd eat Ann Coulter for lunch with Sean Hannity as a side dish. :mad:


Let the printing presses roll!!!

I have a great idea, lets have "no newspaper day" in order to eas the impact on the environment for paper ballots. The public would love it!
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StayOutTheBushes Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:47 AM
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62. Depends on the eyes.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:06 PM
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34. We wouldn't be HAVING Rovegate OR DSM if they hadn't stolen the
last two elections! ALL the stuff that is happening in this administratioin is happening because they stole two elections and they know they can KEEP stealing them if we don't stop them, so they don't care what they do because they know they can just keep reelecting themselves!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:12 PM
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36. You got that right! a big ole thanks to the silent dems who didn't want to
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 07:12 PM by mod mom
upset the status quo to fight for the truth! Shame on them and thank goodness for Conyers, House Judiciary Dems, Congressional Black Caucus and Barbara Boxer!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:39 PM
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41. So true...we will be heard...from Cassandra's to the new Vanguard!
It's so simple. The Jesuit scholars would understand the logic and laugh at those who can't. It's so simiple: If A then B; A; therefor B.
If you have (A) stolen elections then you get B BushWorld; we have stolen elections (A); therefore, we've got the screaming bummer of (B) BushWorld.

How hard is it to understand. We all get it. When will the party wake up to what the grassroots knows and is already acting on. Look at Arcata, CA. They have real voting rights. Why can't everybody (how do you like that one GuvWorld!!!).

cya in Oregon in Sept.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:14 PM
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43. Right On!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

when We The People lead, the leaders will follow

:woohoo:
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:43 PM
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44. or perhaps not even 911
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 11:44 PM by jarnocan
I really believe this- progress was being made- Gore would have followed up on the Clarke recommendations etc.
we would be living in a very different world- not perfect but Terrorism wold not be growing as fast, and the world would be more in tune in an attempt to stop it on many levels.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:00 AM
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52. Exactly
I was listening to a radio program (It might've been Malloy) not long ago and the person who called in was talking about how if Gore was president 9/11 would've NEVER happened and the economy would've been booming because he would've made more jobs with security with airports, the boarders, ports etc. He was already working on everything with Clinton anyways and he knew the plans and had involvement I'm sure. So if Gore was president none of this would've happened in the first place. I always wonder "what if...."
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:55 AM
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70. Speaking of great TN politicians...hows your/our Sen candidate doing?
:shrug:
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Kalish Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:58 AM
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47. I must say that Tiabbi article is very interesting
very interesting indeed.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:46 AM
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50. Isn't it though...he went from a doubter to a believer.
Maybe we can get him over here to do some posting or commentary (or maybe he's here already...haha).

I hope things continue in that direction with other members of the inner circle of semi-independent media.
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Kalish Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:49 AM
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51. yep he's the kind of person
who makes a person like me take notice of this story.

I'd kinda written it off.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 08:10 AM
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69. That's so good to hear
It really is. This isn't just a wishful-thinking-conspiracy-theory kinda thing, some shady stuff went down and regardless of the election's outcome it is imperative that we don't let it happen again, and again and again, because we know it won't stop unless we make it impossible.

Here's to Election Reform!

:toast:

(that's just coffee in those mugs - way too early for beer ;) )

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:01 AM
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53. I think so too
And his introduction was good to show others as well. Whatever he was told must've changed his mind. I saw him on the Daily show and from what he said on there he was betting on a Bush win and he wasn't a fan of Kerry.
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:31 AM
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49. kick
kick
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:14 AM
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55. If this is all true, I hope it comes out and stays out.
I am so sick of bushes. If DSM and TraitorGate couldn't do the job, nothing will--unless it can be proven that bushites stole the election.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:08 AM
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56. Mark Crispin Miller's article in Harper's is a MUST READ.
He put it together, the FACTS. Do your children a favor and READ IT.



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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 06:30 AM
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57. kick
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:14 AM
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58. This is really gaining momentum again...
There was a great editorial in Ann Arbor News Wednesday too...

How can Americans force the majority party to enforce the law?


"Have you registered to vote?'' I asked a friend of mine.
"No, my vote doesn't count anyway.''

Unfortunately, this is true. You may register and even vote, but it's now true that your vote may not count and this is the No. 1 reason why we need election reform. There have been numerous bills introduced to modify the Help America Vote Act. One of these is called S450, the "Count Every Vote Act.'' It was introduced by Democratic Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York, Barbara Boxer of California, John Kerry of Massachusetts, Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey and Barbara Mikulski of Maryland and addresses specific problems that come to light in "What Went Wrong in Ohio, The Conyers Report on the 2004 Presidential Election,'' edited by Anita Miller. But I believe there is something even more important this country needs. Citizens must have the right to challenge decisions made by the majority party through citizen participation in petition drives and ballot initiatives at the federal level.



Let's look at the context in which election reform has gained grassroots support. Every recommended change to the Help America Vote Act is a direct result of actual cases of electoral irregularities in Ohio in 2004 and Florida in 2000, two battleground states in the presidential election. Although there have been numerous bills introduced to address the Ohio irregularities, I will look at only two key provisions of the Count Every Vote Act, introduced in the Senate on Feb. 17, and trace it back to the Ohio event that prompted the creation of the law. The full text is available at http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.html . For the record, proposed legislation is locked up in committee by the majority party, and not likely to receive a full and fair discussion so long as the Republican Party is in power. Furthermore, the majority need not provide any rationale for their refusal to provide a full airing of these bills. All they need to do is support the status quo by doing nothing.

The first key provision is for a "voter-verified paper or hard-copy record of each vote.'' Why has this provision been proposed? According to the testimony presented in "What Went Wrong in Ohio,'' this provision is a result of the Triad Corp.'s involvement in providing "cheat sheets,'' essentially a method to calibrate the machines so they match the hand count to prevent the need for a full hand count provided by law. Triad and its affiliates, the leading suppliers of voting machines that count paper and punch card ballots in Ohio and Florida, is controlled by Brett A. Rapp, a consistent contributor to Republican causes. Psephos Corp., one Triad affiliate, supplied the notorious butterfly ballot used in Florida's Palm Beach County in the 2000 presidential election. In addition, representatives of Triad admitted to altering tabulating software in Ohio's Hocking, Lorain, Muskingum, Clark, Harrison and Guernsey counties. The report states that these actions were in violation of state and federal laws, yet nothing was done to enforce the laws.


One of the recommendations of the Conyers report was for further congressional hearings. The reports states: "the only means of obtaining Mr. Blackwell's cooperation in any congressional investigation is under threat of subpoena, which only the majority may require.'' What good does it do to say we are a nation of laws if the majority party chooses not to enforce them? The most shocking aspect of both the 2000 and 2004 elections is not the numerous inconsistencies or irregularities; you expect those to happen when an elected official is an officer in a candidate's election committee. It is rather that there is no constitutional or legal mechanism whereby ordinary citizens can rise up against the tyranny of the majority party and compel them to enforce existing laws by collecting signatures on a petition or a ballot initiative demanding that the majority party enforce our laws.

more


http://www.mlive.com/columns/aanews/index.ssf?/base/new...
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:28 AM
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59. I think once the Am people realize the extent of the deceit thru ROVEGATE
they will be willing to look at our evidence on the election theft. this will be the time to push our fair and transparent election reform. the only ones who don't want our votes to count are those in power.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:06 AM
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63. You're right - it is a scary can-o-worms for most people to open
but it is getting more and more obvious and people can't deny it:

This administration is ABSOLUTELY CORRUPT. They will stop at NOTHING to further their agenda, and their power is so widespread in all areas of gov't and industry that there is is very little that the American people can do to stop it.

Which means we all must work together and do whatever it takes to end this cycle. We are getting closer to that point. I truly believe that.

:hi:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:37 AM
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60. DAMNING video of Diebold rep under oath. This is why we are
fighting to keep these propriety partisan companies out of our election:

Here is a Diebold rep under oath questioned by Cuyahoga county BOE:
thanks to the folks at Ohiovigilance.org:

from 7/11/05:

<http://homepage.mac.com/captainkirkby/Digital_Quagmires ... >

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:12 AM
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64. excellent
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 09:24 AM by marions ghost
it would be good to put this up as a separate thread

I'm curious about what Diebold calls their "parallel monitoring" which they tout as one of their safety procedures. Their technicians actually remove and check a certain number of Diebold Systems DURING the voting process (!?) .... :eyes:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:58 AM
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71. This is dynamite. It should be on a separate thread. Amaxing
...any why can't CM (corporate media) do this? Oh, I'm sorry, that would require that they leave their offices or cancel their nail appointments. Undue sacrifice of liesure time.

This rocks.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:45 AM
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61. Impeccable sources.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:24 PM
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67. Thanks quite a compliment to ERD. Thanks!!!
Go Arkansas, thanks for Clark!!!
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