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Craig3410 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:19 AM
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So, help me here, why is CAFTA bad?
I looked over it on Wikipedia, but I can't figure it out.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:21 AM
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1. here ya go:
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Craig3410 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:23 AM
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4. Thanks.
Goody; another "lets screw over Americans" bill passed. Big surprise. :eyes:
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:48 AM
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18. Excellent article
We were sold out once again.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:21 AM
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2. It isn't
but as usual, with many bills, especially trade ones, there are a lot of wild and untrue stories about it.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:23 AM
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5. Hmm.
That means that states will no longer be able to give preference to home-based businesses, and so mom-and-pop stores in Central America and the United States will suddenly be competing with the Bechtels and the Halliburtons of the world.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/234211_cafta28.ht...

Big surprise.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:25 AM
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8. It's called globalization
and that article was written by an anthropologist.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:26 AM
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9. Yeah well happy globalization. Enjoy.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:27 AM
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10. Thank you I will
and eventually you will too.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:33 AM
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12. With those posts of yours...
... and the history of NAFTA (in real, measurable terms), it's time for you to explain the advantages present to all by this treaty's approval.

Cheers.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:44 AM
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15. NAFTA isn't harming your economy
It's helping it in fact.

What's harming your economy is imperial overstretch, extreme nationalism, and an overdose of fundie religion.

Also fear.

Eventually all countries in the world will trade freely. These agreements are just little steps along the way.

But each of them will allow you to adjust slowly to a globalizing world.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:57 AM
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24. NAFTA is not a free trade agreement
It's obvious you don't know the difference between a scam and David Ricardo's free trade policies.

Mexico's standard of living has actually declined since NAFTA. Why do you think 10 million poor and unemployed Mexicans have illegally crossed our border since NAFTA passed? Millions of Mexican small farmers have lost everything. There is no incentive for any improvement since Mexico's only investment attraction is poor and desperate workers - like Central America - basically slaves. When wages go up, the companies just pack up and leave for cheaper wage workers in Central America and Asia.
We're in a race to the bottom. The standard of living is falling globally except for those in the top one-third. As one globalist said, "The war on poverty is over, and the poor people lost".
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:03 AM
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25. Not a single fact presented...
... ball's in your court. Dribble it.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:44 AM
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14. Just like we have from NAFTA? n/a
The elitists are the only ones who gained. Are you one of those?
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:46 AM
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17. You don't know a damn thing about CAFTA
so why don't you just get the hell out of here? You are constantly spouting BS about free trade when deals like CAFTA are not even free trade. They are outsourcing and investment scams to make money for a few corporate CEOs. David Ricardo is rolling over in his grave every time fruitloops like you post such crap. Go away. The Americans that will lose their job over this and the Central Americans that will lose their inexpensive AIDS medicines and any hope for a future say "Kiss Off Maple".

Why do the mods keep letting this person post?
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:53 AM
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21. Actually I do
Economics and trade are what I work in every day.

I'm sorry you're upset about it, but covering your ears and yelling la-la-la won't help.

However, I'll let you work off your anger about it in private if you think that will make a difference.

Bye.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:06 AM
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26. No you don't.
You have explained absolutely nothing about the Chapter 11 ramifications, the CODEX references, the Big Pharma assault on generic AIDS medications that will be eliminated, or the fact that the entire consumer market of these six countries combined is less than that of Columbus, Ohio. You've made no mention of the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on lobbying by millionaire CEOs just itching to rape Central America. You've said absolutely nothing about environmental destruction.

CAFTA is not a free trade deal. Anyone that says so is an idiot.

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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:23 AM
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3. it's obscenely bad
CODEX pharmaceutical rules, general wage arbitrage, and so on.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:23 AM
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6. My main complaint?
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:25 AM
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7. Where is Hugo Chavez when you need him?
Oh wait, that was over FTAA. Since they couldn't get into Chavez' back yard, they may as well go into an area away from Chavez in Venezuela and Lula in Brazil.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:32 AM
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11. here's a bit from Wikipedia that caught my eye....
In practice, "test data exclusivity" would ensure that U.S. companies would hold an effective market monopoly on various medicines, such as those used to treat AIDS, malaria, and tuberculosis. Critics charge that this provision would prevent many poor people from receiving life-saving medications.

There is some badness in the wikipedia article, if you dig.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:42 AM
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13. It's called one world government
where U.S. citizens lose out and are under the rule of other organizations. Give credit to Bush.

He was never happy in being a U.S. president. He wanted to be the world corporate king, and he's well on his way.

U.S. citizens are just the "little people" whose standard of living is going to nosedive again.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:46 AM
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16. Yes and no
Eventually all countries will be under a world 'government.'

However, Bush won't be running it.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:50 AM
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19. If he isn't, his corporate globalist buds will
and it's the same thing. The workers, the environment, and national sovereignty all went down the tubes. All at the pushing of Bush.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:55 AM
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22. It won't be Americans
at all. There are 190 other countries in the world.

Everyone will get to have a say.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:57 AM
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23. Maple, can I have some of what you're smoking?
I could use a good hallucination right about now.
BHN
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:52 AM
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20. The small Central American economies will be virtually bought up
by the United States, even more so than is the case already, since the public sector in all these companies will be drastically shrunk. Basically, these small countries will have sold their sovereignty. Natural resources, public utilities...gone to the highest bidder. I wonder who that might be?

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