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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:37 PM
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who are the 15 'democrats" who sold us out on CAFTA?
and who among the republicans had the decency to join us?
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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:38 PM
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1. exactly! get me the damn list! time to take them out!
nonviolently of course!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:38 PM
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2. Anyone want to bet that Lieberman, Hillary, Nelson of Nebraska,
are three sure bets.
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:40 PM
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3. Yes, I do think you are correct. I have a feeling. n/t
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:52 PM
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15. Man, I have to pay closer attention.
I just hate this mess though. And I hate it when dems are the ones killing us.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:42 PM
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5. this was a House vote n/m
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:54 PM
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17. Yeah, not paying attention. Whatever. This stuff just upsets me so
much.

All the holdouts look to be from the south, except for PA and RI is it?? Those are the repubs.

Who's the lone dem holdout?
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:43 PM
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6. Yeah, but they're all Senators
Tonights action was in the house. I want Names!!!!!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:54 PM
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19. You and me both. Who's the one hold out dem? Has anyone said?
.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:43 PM
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7. What? I thought this is House Res 3045
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:43 PM
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8. as much as i loathe hillary, she voted against it last month
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 10:44 PM by Adenoid_Hynkel
i have to give her credit for breaking with bill on that one
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:55 PM
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22. Then I am truly apologetic for badmouthing her on this one. Now, if we
discuss the rest of her miserable record ...
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:44 PM
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9. Those are Senators, this was in the House...
and Hillary voted no on CAFTA in the Senate. Nelson voted yea, and Lieberman didn't vote.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:57 PM
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23. Lieberman didn't vote? Why not?
Nelson is such an ass. And I have said mea culpa over Hillary.

A month ago things were very out of control here. Very. But that is certainly no reason or excuse for not knowing what's going on.

But in a way I wish I didn't watch tonight.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:47 PM
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11. I'll take that bet...
say a thousand bucks?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:59 PM
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24. I'm lucky that a lot of people hurried up and told me how stupid I was
for being so mixed up.

Anyway, it sure wouldn't have been a grand.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:14 PM
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36. Heheh....
OK, I'll let you off this time.

Wanna play poker?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:33 PM
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42. Now that might be fun. When I was young, broke, and living in
Anchorage that's how I used to earn my laundry money.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:47 PM
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12. those are Senators this vote is in the House
:hi:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:49 PM
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13. already passed in senate n/t
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:51 PM
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14. You know, that was just pointed out to me and when I thought about
it I figured out that that was why I kept thinking the numbers were so nuts. I've been babysitting and kid with ADHD all night and between him, the chores, and running back and forth watching this I'm just totally screwed up.

A very senior moment.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:02 PM
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25. I'll bet you a million dollars
you lose. Pay up.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:11 PM
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33. No, read the posts, I've already been set straight on this. But what
the hell, we'll all be using Monopoly money soon. I'll pay you tomorrow.

Heard who the 15 dems were yet????
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:14 PM
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35. you're from Nebraska
weren't you following how your Senator Nelson voted on this important issue?

Who is did your Congressperson and how did they vote tonight? Did you contact them?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:30 PM
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41. My frigging Congressman is Lee Terry Jr. A republican asswipe who's
as worthless as they come.

Ben, I always know how he's going to vote. Always. No matter what happens or how bad any action up for vote is for the American public, I know how he's gonna vote. I have stacks of letters from the guy. Most of them I didn't even open. The ones I did were so bullshit and evasive and ignorant I only open about every third or fourth one anymore. He's an ass.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:40 PM
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4. all yer usual Blue Dogs, I bet n/t
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:46 PM
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10. I saw Moran speaking for it
so that is one. Trade is more a regional than a party issue. For example, unless someone changed votes, the entire NC delegation was against this. We are currently 7 to 6 Republican.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:54 PM
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20. There is a huge Central American community in Moran's district
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 10:56 PM by spooky3
He's probably heard from many of them about CAFTA.

link to explain why many CAs support it:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibd/20050727/b...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:07 PM
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30. There's a huge Central American community here in
Nancy's district, and we're AGAINST it.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:52 PM
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16. keep an eye on the cspan site, they usually have a link to congress
The results will be somewhere on the house website (house.gov). Cspan links to it.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:54 PM
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18. how about
we go after the over 180 Republicans who voted for this instead.
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:55 PM
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21. I heard Marty Mehan (D-MA) has not voted yet
C-SPAN just said Rep. Marty Mehan is one of the 9 nonvoters. WTF? I would be floored if he is not voting or votes "yes."
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:05 PM
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27. IT OVER. Passed 217-215!
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:23 PM
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40. Meehan voted against CAFTA
Just for the record!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:03 PM
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26. Some idiot Dem from the district that has San Antonio & Laredo
Catillio or something like that was on cspan this morning pimping for CAFTA, so that's one of them!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:05 PM
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28. how did Sheila Jackson-Lee vote?
she was undecided a short time ago.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:07 PM
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29. The DLC and their Corporate Sponsors do NOT require
that their members vote for Corporate legislation EVERY SINGLE TIME. They do require that ENOUGH members vote for it so that it is ensured passage. After that, the votes are irrelevant, and DLC members can cover their ass with a meaningless vote.

That way they can say "SEE. I votes against CAFTA. I'm for the people".

I DO want the list.

Here is the list in the Senate:
List of Democratic (?) Senators who SOLD OUT THE AMERICAN WORKER:

The "3rd Way Democrats"akaDLC, aka "New Democrats", aka Progressive Policy Institute HAVE found another way to get RICH...by selling out the Working Class of America. They will laugh about it over steak dinners at the RICH WHITE COUNTRY CLUBS with their Republican friends and owners.!!!

Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, CA proud member DLC

Ben Nelson, Democratic? Senator, NE proud member DLC

Bill Nelson, Democratic? Senator, FL proud member DLC

Maria Cantwell, Democratic? Senator, WA proud member DLC

Blanche Lincoln, Democratic? Senator, AR proud member DLC

Mark Pryor, Democratic? Senator, AR proud member DLC



DID NOT VOTE:
Joe Lieberman, Democratic? Senator, Israel proud member DLC



Two Democratic Senators who are not official members of DLC, but sold their vote anyway:

Ron Wyden, Democratic? Senator OR

Patty Murray, Democratic? Senator WA


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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:09 PM
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31. Gil Gutknecht (R) of Montana voted with us

WASHINGTON - Rep. Gil Gutknecht said Wednesday evening that he will vote against the proposed Central American Free Trade Agreement, making him the only Republican from Minnesota to oppose the deal.

"Unfortunately, when you compare the upside and potential downside, I believe the agreement has three potential fatal flaws," Gutknecht said in a statement. "They are fixable, but they couldn't be fixed before this vote."

A vote was possible as early as Wednesday night.

Gutknecht, from Rochester, Minn., did not elaborate in his statement, and he declined an interview request. But in a constituent letter last week, he said there were problems in the deal for U.S. immigration policy, sovereignty and farm policy.

more:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1451997/posts

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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:09 PM
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32. Vote Results
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 11:10 PM by longship
Here are the links for the Senate Bill:

S. 1307 @ Thomas

S. 1307 Roll Call @ senate.gov

Here is the links to the House action:

HR 3045 @ Thomas

At this time, vote results for the latest House action not yet updated.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:16 PM
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38. Dems
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Not Voting
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:13 PM
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34. And we kiss off the South one more time
If those fifteen could have crawled out of bed with their business cronies JUST long enough for blue collars in the South to hear that we're on their side, it could have made a real difference. :cry:
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:15 PM
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37. Not only southern Blue Collars
Many co-workers I have worked with here in the midwest see NO DIFFERENCE between the parties when it comes to worker issues.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:22 PM
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39. But we are on their side.
The majority of Dems voted against CAFTA. It passed because the majority of Republicans voted for it.

I'm willing to bet that Republicans would continue to easily win the South with "moral values" voters, even if every last Dem had voted against CAFTA.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:51 PM
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43. Here's the info:
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 11:52 PM by nicknameless
Roll Call:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll443.xml

And the list of the Dem scumbags, plus a good place for spleen-venting:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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