Is Hillary the inevitable nominee?

[yurbud]

Poll question: Is Hillary the inevitable nominee?

I just read a piece about the DLC gushing over how "moderate" she is, and the PR seems to be lining up to make her seem inevitable.

Is she going to be the nominee whether we like her or not?

What has Hillary done that would make that a good thing?

What has she done that would make it bad?

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[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. Elizabeth Dole was once the "inevitable" GOP nominee too.

Look how well that turned out.

Truth is, it's WAY too early to peg a frontrunner.

[yurbud]

11. Dole didn't have the same brand name

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[jojo54]

2. What good has she done?

Well, she DID marry Bill, didn't she?

[Bucky]

16. Little Ricky is working for Fox News now rather than the Senate

Beating back the Republicans is always a good thing.

[JDPriestly]

3. We can get the candidate we want

whether or not it is Hillary. But, the issues are too unclear at this point to know what candidate we want. Things are changing too quickly to know who should run in 2008. No one would have predicted that Kerry would run in 2004 this early. The early front runner rarely wins the nomination.

[Walt Starr]

4. Hillary is moving too far to the right to get the nomination

She's doing things backwards. She is moving to the right before she's sewn up the nomination, which means she will not win the nomination.

this from a person who was supporting her until her recent movement into Joementum territory.

[emcguffie]

5. "They" have definitely decided.

They had a profile of her yesterday on MSNBC. It was weird.

But I think we have to fight back and get the nominee we want.

[billbuckhead]

7. The Clinton brand is much stronger than Democratic party brand

[Deep13]

6. not inevitable

"Is she going to be the nominee whether we like her or not?"

No. The night before Iowa, Howard Dean was the inevitable nominee.

"What has Hillary done that would make that a good thing?"

She's shrewd, organized and knows how to run a winning campaign.

"What has she done that would make it bad?"

Married Bill Clinton, moved to NY, and became through no fault of her own the national lightning rod for anti-feminist thought. We can call her a moderate, but the public will never see it that way. We cannot afford another Northeast liberal to blow it in the Mid and Southwest yet again.

[yurbud]

10. The Howard Dean example proves the "outsider gets killed by insiders"

scenario, even though Dean was wildly popular, and had raised more money than anyone, the second being the usual determinant of who wins the nomination.

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[firefox]

8. No drug warriors for me.

I will support Hillary when Iraq freezes over. She cannot tell the American people that we are a fascist country or that Bu$h's War was illegal. She does not sound the alarm that the treasury is being looted and that we will cross $8 trillion on the national debt before the accounting year ends on September 30.

I regard Hillary as a fascist.

[fhqwhgads]

14. i think...

...it's a little harsh to characterize her as a "fascist", her move to the right notwithstanding. but hillary would lose badly in a general election and hurt momentum. the party needs to get better strategists (for starters, ones who don't have "dlc" on their business cards) and concentrate on gaining congressional seats in '06.

[Mairead]

24. Consider that someone need not be Hitler or Musso to be a fascist

It's enough to be for control of the people by a corporatist ruling class.

[Ladyhawk]

9. She'll be the nominee and we'll all vote for her because she is the lesser

of two evils. And we'll lose. Again.

UNLESS, we actually pick someone who isn't a sellout to corporatism, the drug war and the idea of a nanny government. Do you think Dems are smart enough to pick someone who isn't handed to them on the media silver platter? I'm not sure. I've argued with folks who like Hillary. They just can't see that 1) she is so hated by the right wing they will turn up in droves to vote against her and 2) she isn't right for America. We need someone who will reverse some of the damage done by the Bush Administration. Will Hillary end the war? Will Hillary advocate for the little guy? Will she fight corporatism? I don't think so.

[CWebster]

12. Yeah, we can get the one we want

Like Kerry who was scraping the bottom beneath Lieberman and suddenly became the only choice with massive PR campaigns to destroy Dean and frame Kerry as "the most presidential and most electible".

The Republicans couldn't have set it up better for a uncharismatic candidate not challenging the worst pResident ever--but rather claiming he could succeed beter within the same framework.

The fix for this has been in for a long time.

[In Truth We Trust]

13. I'm afraid "we" do not make the choice. Hillary has a good shot of becomin

g the nominee as does a half dozen other "moderates" who imho are way too conservative. I do not support Hillary or any other dlc type candidates. Hillary is a sellout.

Give me a true blue liberal PLEASE!

[fhqwhgads]

17. who would we consider...

...a true-blue liberal who is also electable nationally? do we get someone from the base, but position them in the middle for the election (a la shrub in 2000)? how do we address the not unreasonable fear that if we nominate someone too far to the left, the republicans will pick a supposed "moderate" and win again?

[Bucky]

15. Hillary is being foisted on us by Clinton obsessed media idiots

Her support among actual Democrats is narrow and shallow. It will be a competitive race. Talking heads just like to parrot talking points.

[TWiley]

18. Conservative Pundits and Fundamentalist Christians are the

only ones claiming that Hillary will be our canidate. I believe they want to choose our canidate for us. Namely, one they can beat.

While I admire her, I do not feel she is our best choice.

[JNelson6563]

19. Corporate media pushing her

and the DLCers are out in force on the internet. In the real world Dems I talk to roll their eyes at the notion.

Maybe the DLC fuck-the-Dems strategy is getting wised up to on a broad enough scale that we won't again take the nominee the media wants.

Hope springs eternal.

Julie

[noonwitch]

20. She's got my vote, so far

I'm voting for her. I'm a total liberal, but I'm realistic. Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Boxer, all the total leftists don't have a chance at all. Most of the nation is not as far to the left as they or I am. Hillary is slightly left of center, as was her husband. She will support women's rights and programs like affirmative action. She has widespread support among minorities, and can build a coalition with most of us on the left (who are we going to vote for instead, if she does get the nomination-Santorum? Allen? Cheney?).

[wuushew]

26. I suggest you vote progressively in the primaries

A strong showing by a liberal candidate has the effect of pressuring the shape of the party platform.

Also there is no more rewarding feeling than voting with a clear conscience.

-Dennis Kucinich 2008

[jane_pippin]

21. Well, I've held my tounge on this because

I think it's way to early for this to really mean anything, but I do want to stop holding my tounge long enough to say this:

I don't feel comfortable supporting her in the primaries because I think it would do the country well to really have someone new for a while. I don't want to see: Clinton Clinton Bush Bush Clinton Clinton (and god forbid, Jeb Jeb)happen. It's not that I don't think she's qualified. I just think we need a break and I'd much rather see her wait the next one out.

I'll vote for her if she's the nominee, but I won't particulary love doing it.

[NewJeffCT]

22. Mario Cuomo was inevitable in 1989 & 1990

and he never even got close enough to the ring to toss his hat in...

[yurbud]

29. not outside New York

looks alone disqualified him west of the Hudson.

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[quinnox]

23. Hillary Clinton will make a magnificent first woman president!

I can't wait for her to sweep the current group in power out of the door for good!

[AntiCoup2K4]

31. Hillary IS "the current group in power"

It turns out Nader was on to something after all. There really isn't a dime's worth of difference between the PNAC "republicans" and the DLC "democrats". Ralphie's only mistake was not distinguishing thes treasonous neocon pieces of shit from REAL democrats. Or real republicans for that matter. There's still a few of them around.

[MODemocrat]

25. I'd like to see Wes Clark instead of Hillary

She sides too much with the republicans to suit me. What's up with the Democrats acting like republicans anymore? It's disgusting to me.
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By the way, this is my post No. one thousand.

[yurbud]

30. Clark is another flavor from the Clinton ice cream shop

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[Tierra_y_Libertad]

27. Probably. But the bright side is the Greens will grow as a result.

If the Dems are stupid enough to run another pro-war, half-assed, "moderate", there will be a lot of disgusted progressives who'll vote Green or sit on their hands.

Enough with the Clintons and their DLC(R), collaborationist, win at an cost, politics.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

28. Hillary? Not if I can help it.

Here's when I'll support Ms. DLC: