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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 10:00 PM
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Ok i need yalls help fast.. Plames gave her hubby's name to the cia to send
him to niger.. i know this isn't "correct" i know that she was asked by her boss to ask her hubby..
anyone have alink to prove this? thanks!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 10:05 PM
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1. The retired intel officers speaking yesterday said the bosses sent out
requests to their subordinates for suggestions. Ms. Plame was not in a postition to 'send her husband to Niger', much as Rove/Libby/Cheney would like you to think otherwise.

Might check the CSPAN site and see if there is a transcript up of yesterday's hearing. The intel officers explained a lot about how things work in the CIA and they did it in a clear, concise, professional manner.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 10:07 PM
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2. Don't have a link, but she wasn't management
and didn't have the authority. It's not germaine to the situation anyway. She was a Non Official Cover agent and her name was leaked by someone in the White House. That's a treasonous offense. That someone shut down our eyes and ears on WMD for a long long time.
I think we needed someone to be tracking WMDs, especially now when the WMDs are biological, chemical and nuclear.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 10:09 PM
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3. Try this:
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 10:11 PM by lildreamer316
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/004870.php

I'm looking to see if it answers you..

ON edit: yes; it's there:TALKING POINT: The Senate Intelligence Committee said that Valerie Plame was the one who set up Joe Wilson's trip.
FACT: False and false. (Also see here). (In fact, there is a fair amount of evidence that suggests that Valerie Plame did not even recommend/suggest that Wilson be sent on the trip.)

(links on site for sources)
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FormerOstrich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 10:15 PM
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4. You may need a day pass...
If you need another sources there is a Washington Post article (and it's mentioned in this one if you want to reference back). Good Luck. I had this conversation with some * followers on another board. They'll just morph there talking points or ignore and start fresh somewhere else.

As the article says and I repeated often. What difference does it make if she did send him. The documents were forgeries and two other people came to the same conclusion as Wilson did.


Seven months after the appointment of the special counsel, in July 2004, the Republican-dominated Senate Select Committee on Intelligence issued its report on flawed intelligence leading to the Iraq war. The blame for failure was squarely put on the CIA for "groupthink." (The Republicans quashed a promised second report on political pressure on the intelligence process.) The three-page addendum by the ranking Republicans followed the now well-worn attack lines: "The plan to send the former ambassador to Niger was suggested by the former ambassador's wife, a CIA employee."

The CIA subsequently issued a statement, as reported by New York Newsday and CNN, that the Republican senators' conclusion about Plame's role was wholly inaccurate.


...snip


Wilson's name. Plame's memo, in fact, was written at the express directive of her superiors two days before Wilson was to come to Langley for his meeting to describe his qualifications in a standard protocol to receive "country clearance." Unfortunately, Schmidt's article did not reflect this understanding of routine CIA procedure. The CIA officer who wrote the memo that originally recommended Wilson for the mission -- who was cited anonymously by the senators as the only source who said that Plame was responsible -- was deeply upset at the twisting of his testimony, which was not public, and told Plame he had said no such thing. CIA spokesman Bill Harlow told Wilson that the Republican Senate staff never contacted him for the agency's information on the matter.


http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/07/14/plame/index2.html



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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 10:18 PM
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5. thanks yall ! these are exactly what im looking for :) nt
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 10:18 PM
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6. Here are some links for you southernleftylady, love the accent!
It also wasn't true. On July 22, Newsday reported that a "senior intelligence officer confirmed that Plame was a directorate of operations undercover officer who worked 'alongside' the operations officers who asked her husband to travel to Niger. But he said she did not recommend her husband to undertake the Niger assignment." This senior intelligence officer also told Newsday that it was incorrect to suggest " 'she was the one who was cooking this up.' " Besides, he said, " 'We paid his airfare. But to go to Niger is not exactly a benefit. Most people you'd have to pay big bucks to go there.' " The CIA always said Plame did not recommend her husband.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=102042

Media repeated false GOP talking point on authorization for Wilson trip to Niger

Numerous media figures have repeated, or failed to question, a Republican National Committee (RNC) talking point asserting that former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV claimed that Vice President Dick Cheney "sent him" on a 2002 CIA mission to Niger, as well as White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove's reported assertion that "Wilson's wife" authorized the trip. The RNC has accused Wilson of misrepresenting the Niger trip in its effort to explain and justify Rove's alleged involvement in leaking the identity of Wilson's wife, former clandestine CIA officer Valerie Plame. Specifically, according to the RNC talking point, Rove told Time magazine writer Matthew Cooper that "Wilson's wife," who worked at the CIA, had authorized Wilson's trip because Rove was trying to prevent Cooper from writing inaccurately that Cheney had sent Wilson on the mission. As the RNC alleged: "The bottom line is Karl Rove was discouraging a reporter from writing a false story based on a false premise and the Democrats are engaging in blatant partisan political attacks."

In fact, both of the claims underpinning the RNC's defense of Rove are false: Wilson never claimed he was sent to Niger at Cheney's request, and it was the CIA's Directorate of Operations, Counterproliferation Division (CPD), that authorized the trip, not Plame.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200507140001

Here are some DU threads on the topic...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4080946&mesg_id=4082162

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4088119

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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 10:23 PM
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7. thanks sweetie :) nt
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 11:05 PM
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8. Oh fer cryin out loud!
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 11:32 PM by votesomemore
http://www.sundayherald.com/50930

...
The latest White House smear has it that Wilson was despatched {sic} by his wife. Why that, if true, should have the slightest relevance to the proven fact that Saddam never possessed nuclear weapons only the administration can say. It sounds like a piece of misdirection typical of Rove. The point is that Wilson was a former ambassador to Gabon, and was, as James Moore reminds us, the US National Security Council’s adviser on African affairs. He found nothing. He also concluded that the “documentation” on which the White House had based its case was forged. To quote Moore’s unchallenged account, Ambassador Owens-Kirkpatrick, “several intelligence analysts and agencies, and a four-star general”, agreed with him.
...

Read closely. So the FW? Is Plame now being charged with TREASON or under suspicion of ANY KIND? One thinks not.

Who is? The spin (to put it extremely politely) master himself. He is under heat. What do you expect from this shit-meister?
Shit? uh-huh

Listen. Wilson is NOT alone in this and never has been. He is in the ranks of other fellow patriots who love and PROTECT their country. More than can be said about the hoods squatting in the Whitehouse.

Let's not forget that, m'kay?

EDIT: I'm in a mood. It's one thing to screw McCain, et al into submission. When this monstrosity took on the WORLD population?

He thinks he can dominate the WORLD? Bring it on, big baldy. Come on. Come to mamma.
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