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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:44 PM
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Why was Rove wearing "I'm a source not a target" before be was either?
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 01:45 PM by BurtWorm


(Or is the date of this photo wrong?) According to the caption, it was taken June 2003, to commemorate Novak's 40th year as a professional windbag. Plame wasn't outed until July 2003, and I don't think the investigation started until September at the earliest. Was there some other investigation going on in June 2003 that would have made this not just prescient but relevant? Or does this just refer to Novak's well-known tendency to be used by govt. official's to retaliate against whistleblowers? (Rove wasn't the only one wearing this button, according to the caption. It was a party favor.)

:wtf:
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:46 PM
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1. DUers said that "everybody" at the commemeration got that button
I read it here.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:48 PM
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3. Right, but what's that about?
Some inside-the-Beltway joke only fat-pig power elitists are in on?
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:52 PM
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6. I cannot really explain it
sorry. The details leaked out of my brain already.
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:46 PM
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2. Novak's really an ugly guy isn't he?
I mean just look at him? He's really kinda mean and ugly looking.
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petepillow Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:50 PM
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4. makes me think of marlon brando's later years... n/t
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:51 PM
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5. Not what I would call kissable.
He's got lips like Flattop from Dick Tracy.

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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:53 PM
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7. I'm betting the special prosecutors
files as a copy of this photo. They bring it out now and then when they need the laugh. Idiots.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:55 PM
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8. evidence of premeditation
The usual crock, just as you'd expect. They cooked up their "talking points" in advance of anyone prosecuting the leaks.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:18 PM
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9. The button indicates the wearer is a friend of Novak . . .
that they are a "source" for Novak's column and not a "target" for his "investigative journalism" (or whatever Novakula ascribes to himself these days).

I don't see this as having anything to do with Plame or any specific scandal at all. In fact, if anything, it's an affirmation that the wearer generates scandals for others but remains blameless himself.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:36 PM
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10. Mabye, but I wondered
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 02:37 PM by Catrina
about the date on the photo also. As the OP points out, Joe Wilson's op/ed didn't appear until July 6th, 2003 and the caption on the photo says the even was in June of that year.

So, unless they were anticipating the challenge Joe Wilson intended to make in print, to the Niger lie, and a subsequent investigation, which hadn't even been thought of in June, it would seem the event and the button had nothing to do with the Valerie Plame affair.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:52 PM
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13. I think Journeyman is pointing out that "target" has a different meaning.
In this meaning, Joe Wilson was a "target" of Novak's journalism. Rove was a "source." It's just sheer coincidence that it Rove became a target of the investigation for being a source.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 03:14 PM
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16. Except for the date
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 03:20 PM by Catrina
since Joe Wilson's op/ed didn't appear until one month after the event mentioned in the OP.

Update: I found the reason for the button, and although it had an entirely different meaning at the time, it certainly was prophetic.

It seems from this article about the event, the 40th anniversary of Novak's column, that while he is an extremely partisan rightwing columnist, this event was surprisingly non-partisan.

Present were Democrats who in the past had been slammed by Novak in his columns. This article deals with why such individuals would want to associate with Novak. It seems there are several theories about that. One being that if you're on his good side, you might not be slammed as viciously.

Thus, the button which was meant to be humorous 'I'm a source of Novak's, not a target of his column' (hopefully, if I suck up to him enough). So 'target' in that sense, meant a target of Novak, not of the special prosecutor.

Novak's amazing longevity and range were apparent one night nearly two years ago at the Army and Navy Club, in Washington, when he marked the 40th anniversary of his column. Given his fiercely conservative views, it was a surprisingly bipartisan affair. Karl Rove was there, but so was Rahm Emanuel, formerly a key Clinton aide and soon to lead the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Ken Mehlman, now head of the Republican National Committee, was there, but so was Bill Daley, who ran Al Gore's presidential campaign, and Bob Shrum, who would soon run John Kerry's. Long ago, Novak had trashed George McGovern, for whom Shrum once wrote speeches. And last year--and without acknowledging that his son was marketing it--Novak was pushing Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry, the book that helped sink the Democratic candidate. Novak's attack on Kerry led comedian Jon Stewart to label him "a douche bag of liberty," and his failure to disclose his son's role in the book led the Washington Monthly to accuse him of operating in a "Cayman Islands-like ethics-free zone." But Shrum, like many liberals, still calls Novak his friend.

Another veteran Democratic operative, Mark Siegel, explained why. There's this Novak caricature on television, he said, but privately he's "a very kind, sweet, thoughtful guy." To Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, Novak's cross-party appeal instead reflects something putrid about political culture in the nation's capital. "It's the worst, most glaring example of people in Washington putting personal relations over their principles," he says. By liking Novak, he believes, people think they can prove how open-minded and civil they are. Indulging Novak's hatefulness, he says, is "one of the membership requirements of the Washington establishment."

Some glad-hand Novak out of fear or calculation more than affection. At the Army and Navy Club celebration, people wore buttons reading "I'm a source, not a target"--a nod to Novak's statement that for him people fall into one category or the other. Even those who find him crude feel elevated in his aura; hanging around him, appearing in his column, are signs you've arrived, even when he whacks you. Always, though, there is the debate over what is at the man's core. "Underneath the asshole is a nice guy, but underneath the nice guy is another asshole," Michael Kinsley, a Crossfire veteran, has said.




http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/050321roco02?print=true

Still, there's some sort of Karma at work in that the picture now. He may have placed himself in the position of being at least a subject, if not a target, of the investigation by trying to cover for his boss, not reporting the leak to the proper authorities and lying to the FBI.

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:50 PM
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12. There you go!
That makes sense. Thank you! :toast:


History is powerfully ironic, isn't it?
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 03:06 PM
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14. Thank you. After I posted I knew I should have pointed out the irony. . .
of the situation, but found you'd already done so for me.

The button is actually rather funny, given how life has dealt with those two. I hope in months to come we're able to photoshop a whole host of hilarious slogans on that button.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:37 PM
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11. his arrogant
way of trying to show everybody what they could expect if they went against the shrub's plans.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 03:12 PM
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15. Douchbag of Liberty
Best Jon Stewart line EVER! And that's saying alot since he has a million of them!
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