Wesley Clark - Is He "The ONE?"

[Bread and Circus]

Here is a nice pro-Clark Rolling Stone article.

Title: "Is Wesley Clark the One?"

And for you guys think Clark is just MIC and a Repub
Trojan Horse, don't you think it's kind of cool he
spent 9/11 with Rolling Stone?

http://www.rollingstone.com/features/featuregen.asp?pid=1970

Actually this is a great article and offers some new tidbits
that I haven't heard yet. It's definitely a must read.

Also, as we said before, Clark rocked in the town hall
meeting tonight. Scored a 10 in my book.

It's on again at 1am, cspan will replay it.

[FlashHarry]

1. I thought Neo was 'The One.'

Of course, I haven't seen "The Matrix: Revolutions" yet, so I can't be sure.

Sorry. Couldn't resist my inner geek.

[Clark Can WIN]

30. OK sorry here I go with my inner geek

at the end of 2 we get Neo doubting his "faith", believing that the oracle and the prophecy were bunk, illusions. But if that were true, why is Trinity alive?

end of geek vanity post.

[alexwcovington]

2. He's at least one of the two.

If he doesn't win outright, he's veep.

[MissouriTeacher]

3. I dare anyone to read that...

and still claim that Clark is like Schwarzenegger with no real positions on the issues.

[unfrigginreal]

4. It will come down to Clark and Dean....

I'm leaning toward Dean at the moment and have no intention of changing horses. Best of luck to you.

[caledesi]

12. Agree. Clark and Dean and I hope it's Dean/Clark...a winning ticket.

[MoonRiver]

5. As far as I'm concerned he IS "The One"

without any doubt :kick:

[RetroLounge]

6. "Is He "The ONE?"

Just like Clark said when asked if he was a Democrat, if he was running, what are his positions on the issue...

I'll get back to you on that later...

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

7. No. He's the 1/10th.

Re-post in March.

[Bread and Circus]

8. Hey man, did you read the article?

What did you think of it?

Did you see the town hall meeting?

He was great.....c'mon, don't be a stick in the mud!

:pals:

[59millionmorons]

9. Sure looks like it

After seeing him tonight, he is surely the one. If his discussion was on cable tv tonight the rest of our great candidates would be in deep trouble.

[grasswire]

11. the one

Yes.

I'm actually learning some new ways of thinking from him -- things that aren't poll-tested or partisan talking points.

He's "the natural."

[bitchkitty]

18. New ways of thinking?

What do you mean? Can you give me an example?

[gulliver]

57. I feel the same way as grasswire, for example...

... I loved Clark's way of handling the Bush talking point "They hate us for our freedoms."

Clark simply pointed out how many Muslims we have in the United States and how many admirers we have througout the world. Then he said (paraphrasing) that our freedoms are why they like us. It's our bullying and lack of respect for other nations that they don't like.

Clark is the reverse of Bush in a way. Clark confidently says the opposite of every wrong thing Bush has made the United States stand for in the past 2.5 long years. Watching Clark on C-Span was a real lift for me.

[HardWiredDemocrat]

10. Definitely the one!

He says what I'd like to say and he does it with confidence and courage. He's the reason I've gotten interested in politics again. The impeachment followed by Dec 2000 followed 80% approval just about did me in.

-- Lonely down here in the political arctic (TX):scared:

[oasis]

29. Don't feel lonely, people in Texas love freedom too.

welcome to DU :hi:

[GeronimoSkull]

13. Clark is The MESSIAH

I can feel it

[JasonBerry]

14. Oh yeah.....that's "cool."

And so what? My guess is Rolling Stone will soon be writing an expose of this wolf in sheep's clothing. Somebody needs to do it - and fast. This man is a menace to all PROGRESSIVE Democrats hold dear. Wesley K. Clark is attempting to HIJACK our party.....and it's NOT going to work!

[MoonRiver]

15. Yeah, Clark wants to "hijack" the party to make it more progressive

and defeat b*sh! WAAAAAHHHHHH! Only Repukes think that scenario is a problem.

[Bread and Circus]

16. Dude, that sounds really eery....

You are likening Clark to a terrorist.

Isn't that what the Bush Administration does to
marginalize or take-down people that disagree with them?

Check yourself, before you wreck yourself.

:tinfoilhat:

[JasonBerry]

17. Gullible

"Check myself?"

Tell the TRUTH about Wesley K. Clark and you must work for Bush. Is that what you're saying? Wesley Clark, with all his printed views BEFORE 2002, wouldn't have been allowed on DU PER the rules of this board! It is for PROGRESSIVES.

"Check myself?" For standing up for REAL Democrats against this imposter?

NO GOOD DEMOCRAT would have been praising either Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice two years ago. I could make a list 50 items long. Why? Because the man is Democrat in NAME only as he sets out on his opportunist mission to HIJACK our party and fool millions of good Democrats in the process. But, anybody who knew Wesley Clark before this massive re-invention is not the least bit surprised. Nope! It's Wes Clark all right, Wes Clark to a "T".......
On Edit: I mean "either Bush" - as in - it doesn't matter which Bush!

[Bread and Circus]

19. I was just teasin'

you better relax.

JasonBerry, c'mon man. We need to have a beer and talk.
I've done way more research on you than Clark and I will
tell you that what you paint is such a bogus picture.
Clark will impress you, just give him enough time and a real
chance.

Watch him at 1 am est on cspan in the NH town hall mtg.

:pals:

[JasonBerry]

20. Oh, Yeah?

You've done MORE research on Wesley Clark than I HAVE? You obviously don't know me. I've been watching Wesley Clark since his days at Fort Hood. I have researched and written about Clark since Kosovo. Your assumption is, my guess, wrong. But who knows what is not the issue. I think, as you do, that if I had a chance to sit down with you over a beer and lay out the FACTS about Wes Clark - you would be off the bandwagon in less than thirty minutes. We'll never know, will we?

[Julien Sorel]

23. A couple of months ago, you promised you had some kind

of devastating infomation that would TOTALLY BLOW Clark out of the water or something to that affect. Surely, now is a good time to release this atomic bomb of data?

[kiahzero]

35. Um...

You have all the time you want to make your case... why haven't you?

I think, as you do, that if I had a chance to sit down with you over a beer and lay out the FACTS about Wes Clark - you would be off the bandwagon in less than thirty minutes. We'll never know, will we?

How about laying out all that information for us, hmmm? All I've heard is spurious allegations about Waco, some confusion about Kosovo, and repeated stupidty over Clark being a Repug. plant.

Where's the real dirt?

"oooh, he spoke at a Repug. meeting!"

He also was fundraising for Max Cleland... I'm sure he'd be doing that as a Repug plant, when they were running campaigns comparing him to Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

Until I see real accusations that aren't right-wing talking points, I don't buy it. The only thing that's given me pause is the CAPPS II stuff, and that's just because I only know part of the story.

[Rose Siding]

21. It didn't look like "teasing"

There are several Clark supporters laying down bull about any critics.

JasonBerry responded rationally.

[Bread and Circus]

22. Well, I am just not sure what to say....

When I said "Check yourself, before you wreck yourself"
I was just being cheeky. That's what I was referring to.

Clark had a great day today and a great
article in Rolling Stone. Therefore, I tried to contribute
by adding a positive thread and getting more
people to learn about Clark's thoughts (which we Clark
supporters are constantly asked (sincerely or not) to do, mind you).

Then, JasonBerry comes in here unprovoked with wild unfounded
speculation insulting my chosen candidate. His point
didn't seem relevant to what was said in the article nor
the town hall meeting in New Hampshire (replayed by cspan at 1 am).
He even likened my candidate to a terrorist, stating Clark
is "Hijacking" our party. Which is a very, shall I say,
suspect thing to do.

And I get the business for pointing this out?

Look, I think we should all lighten up.
I promise I won't go into positive threads started by
Jason Berry and insult his candidate.

Can't we all just be friends and get along?

[ronzo]

24. Relax, doc.

Take it for what it's worth. There are several folks around here that just repeatedly slag Clark. Stick to your guns.

[Pastiche423]

27. Bbbbbbut , Jason

He IS a democrat. Hell, he's been a democrat for THREE WHOLE WEEKS! Just because he voted for Nixon, Reagan and Poppy, when he was a mature adult, doesn't mean anything at all. He's CHANGED! Can't ya tell?

He only likes the PNACers and would like to work w/them again. He doesn't love them. Doesn't that count?

Furthermore, he said he would not have voted for IWR, would have voted for the IWR, would not have voted for IWR, would have voted for the IRW, would not have voted for the IRW...

What was the question again?

Oh yeah, when he was on CNN, he really wasn't creaming in his jeans when he was ANALyzing war, he was...... uh........ making gobs of money for himself and.....uh....... getting back at those weinies at the WH that wouldn't let him play in their war. Wait a minute! I'm sure he was doing something superbly grand for Democrats while he was creaming in his jeans, making gobs of money and getting back at the weinies at the WH.

Moreover, he's a liberal on the issues. We don't know which issues, because he hasn't made up his mind YET, but someday soon, I bet he will!

He knows politics and governing too, because he learned how to give orders, to take orders and to order troops to kill innocent men, women and children, along w/their hospitals, churches and schools!

I'd tell ya about his work w/defense contractors, but I'll leave that for another time when I tell ya about when he worked for Stephens Corp.

Hey Jason! Did I convince ya?

[lynndew2]

45. Well said Pastiche Except...

You said make up his mind? Dont you mean when Bill Clinton makes up his mind for him? MR. WES is just one contradiction after another. He has no stances until he is told where he stands. I have my own theory on this but mr. Will Pitt said I was crazy and I needed to take politics 101 when I said it.

Wesley Clark is in the race cause the clintons need to take Dean down. If shrub looks beatable early next year, Hillary will come into the race or will be wesleys VP.(reversible).

Dean had become a real threat to the Clintons power and they have to make sure he goes down.

EX...He said Macauliff must GO. Thats the Clintons insider. Bill said there are two stars in the dem party. Hillary and Wes Clark. I dont see Hillary running in 04 now but, if Wes looked like a possiblity VP would be asked of her.

Just seems to me that this has CLINTONS written all over it..MHO

[Julien Sorel]

25. Folks, I hate to be a wet blanket, but

we're starting to sound over the top. Enthusiasm is awesome, wonderful, incredible, fun, and most of all, indispensable, but let's keep focused. I don't want to hear some of y'all starting to say some things we've heard about other candidates -- I'd rather I simply watched the things come true during the campaign, if you know what I mean :-)

[Bread and Circus]

48. Hey Billy,

What part was "over the top" -- my title?

It's kind of a play on the title of the
Rolling Stone article "Is Wesley Clark the One?"

I could use some illumination here....

[Julien Sorel]

56. It wasn't meant for you,

but some of the other posts in the thread. I didn't want to single anyone out, and in my attempt to avoid doing so, it seems I singled you out by mistake :-(

[Kanola]

26. Clark had definitely got "it"

I am a Dean supporter foremost, but like Clark also. I like the "outsiders" of this dem race. The smooth politicians bore me (although yes I will vote for them againist Shrub). I find myself defending both Dean and Clark and liking them both for their different attributes to the race. I love Deans pugilist approach that has not been seen from Dems in years, so for now he is my front runner. But I appreciate Clark.

[opihimoimoi]

28. Clark, Dean, Kerry..... THEY ALL GOOD and will kick Bushys ass

in a debate if the coward dare show up.

[Rowdyboy]

31. Aren't they all three kick-ass?

Yet so many asses want to destroy two of the three of them (take your pick-they're all class acts). Helluva bunch of "democrats" aren't we?

[grasswire]

32. Clark campaign...

.....ought to pick up that song "You're Still the One" from about 1983. Who sang that, anyway?

You're still the one who can scratch my itch
Still the one and I wouldn't switch
We're still having fun, and you're still the one

[Julien Sorel]

34. Orleans

[bluestateguy]

33. I think we're ready for some integrity in the White House

I think America needs General Clark's leadership. I think America needs General Clark.

www.americansforclark.com

[joanski01]

43. Thanks for the link

to Clark's campaign. I just went over there and made a contribution. He was so impressive last night.

[Polemonium]

36. No, NO Please NO

I seems that many of you are being swayed by Clark. He seems at face value someone who can beat Bush. But falling for Clark would be a huge mistake, on many levels. First, a question. In what way does a former General of the Armed Forces represent the values of the Democratic Party? Perhaps, you are under the delusion that anyone would be better than Bush, and an unproven, previously outspoken pro war democrat, would be just great. Clark, was one of the largest supporters of the war, and one of the most outspoken as to how the war would be an easy victory on every level. Clark is an opportunist in the worst sense of the word. We now have a chance, a real chance to get someone in office who will represent the best traditions of the Democratic Party, and Bush's numbers are is the toilet. Don't throw your votes away for someone who is simply Bush lite. Look at what the candidates stand for, and who is willing to reach out to the public, for ideas. Clark stands for nothing, and has failed to reach out to the public. Clark may be a interesting flavor of the month but don't be fooled. OK yes a F(*@%$$#@%^ monkey would be better than shrub, but trust that Clark would only be slightly better, and we have an opportunity to do much, much better than slightly better.

[Julien Sorel]

37. And who would this wonder alternative be, pray tell?

[Polemonium]

39. ANYONE!!!!

Dean comes to mind as he is one of the front runners, and he believes in raching out to the public for ideas. Something that resembles Democracy in a way that no one else comes close to. Or anyone else, but Clark is not the answer to our woes. Do your homework. Anyone who does will quickly realize this guy IS NOT THE ANSWER!!!!!!

[Julien Sorel]

40. I just did my homework, and I have to say,

I agree with you! This man is a monster. Thank you for saving me from an awful mistake.

The problem now is, I donated a lot of money to Clark, and I think it will go to his drinking problem. I feel bad about that. Do you think it's too late to request a refund? I could get him on, like truth in advertising or something. What do you think?

[Pastiche423]

38. When the clarkites

hear the negatives about clark, they claim it's the RW talking.

But how can they explain away clark screwing w/our civil rights:

"Retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark helped an Arkansas information company win a contract to assist development of an airline passenger screening system, one of the largest surveillance programs ever devised by the government."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7380-2003Sep26.html

They are going to need some heavy duty blinders to avoid seeing this Trojan Horse.

[kiahzero]

41. Blinders...

Simple: We haven't tried to "explain it away", because we're waiting for him to respond. Jesus, the article was printed yesterday, and you're already treating the story as the Gospel.

Don't you get tired of playing this game, or is it fun to play "smear the candidate?" I never understood the people who got their rocks off by pulling this kind of crap, and I certainly expected better from us Dems. It's possible to bring up this stuff without being as nasty as the anti-Clark contingent has been at just about every turn.

Where's your righteous indignation that Republicans are supporting Dean, by the way?

[Polemonium]

42. Not one point to refute that Clark is scary - typical

nt

[kiahzero]

44. What would you have us say?

A statement like that indicates that there's a response you feel would be appropriate from Clark supporters.

As far as I can tell, there are only a few options:
1) "OH MY GOD! EVIL!"
2) "Umm... ok... let me find out more about that"
3) "Screw that, I don't care what you say"

As far as I'm concerned, I've been saying (2) for as long as I've heard about the story. See my posts in "Ready for Integrity in the White House?"

Another thing: How exactly does one refute that? "You actually don't think he's scary" or "You actually think that X is scary"? You're afraid of him for one reason or another, although I think that it's an irrational fear. Nothing I can do or say will dispel that fear, so what's really the point?

[Polemonium]

46. Golly he is a good guy - well that's just peachy

Never mind what the guy stands for, which has always been up to now what ever the hell he was told to stand for. Career military men become myopic at best. This is not the answer. And still I have yet to hear, anything that is remotely based on what Clark would represent in office that is anything but rhetoric.

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=15692

[opihimoimoi]

47. Better Clark or Mongp than Shrub

Clark will be a refreshing wind cominto the White House. Mongo would be the Man Bush never was.

[Bread and Circus]

49. Thanks for bumping the thread....

that way more people can read about Clark in
the article I pointed out in the first place.

Secondly, who or what am I to believe -- You? or my own
two eyes?

Just be thankful no one here on DU is giving half as
much scrutiny to your candidate as Clark gets. The energy
going into anti-Clark research alone could get us off foreign
oil, if only we could just bottle it.

:eyes:

[KG]

50. Wesley Clark - Is He "The ONE?"

no.

[0007]

51. Clark wants to stay in Iraq and finish job?

Clark just lost me, and I once thought he was the right guy. Now I'm starting to think that maybe he and junior have gotton together.

[Bread and Circus]

52. Clark wants a successful outcome...

and his argument is that it is in the best
long-range interests of Peace, the Mideast, and
the U.S. that we develop a successful exit strategy.

This is not to be simply interpreted as "finish the job"
to somehow continue the ruinous work Bush has started.

No, Clark states that Bush and Co. have done a miserable
job and have set their sights on toppling more Muslim
countries. He wants to change all that and has blown
the whistle on these sorts of plans. Last night, he stated that is
the main reason he started speaking out back in the fall of 2002.

Clark wants troop reductions and internationalization while
quickly increasing Iraqi self rule. To be successful, it has to be
done in a step-wise fashion. Just "pulling out" would be ruinous
for all involved.

Clark is right on this issue from both a pragmatic and humanist
perspective.

[Padraig18]

54. Circle this date on the calendar

I completely agree with Gen. Clark's stand on stabilization of and exiting from Iraq! It is sound, humane and takes into account geopolitical realities. :)

[union_maid]

53. Most of them admit we have to stay

Clark stands a pretty good chance of getting the UN in there. We blew up a country. We have to fix it before we leave. No one with a shot at getting the nomination is for just walking away from it.

[GeronimoSkull]

55. To the tune of

$245 Billion