Is it true that Arnold S. (gang) raped a black woman?

[blkgrl]

I hate to have to bring this up here but I keep hearing reports about Arnold taking part in some sort of gang rape in Gold's Gym. I've found a few sources but nothing really reliable. If this is true, then I'm outraged that the media has not covered this more.

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/41/deadline-finke.php

[Terwilliger]

1. it wasn't a gang rape

it was a gang bang, according to AHH-nold (I believe this info came from the old Oui article)

[Must_B_Free]

4. This has been debunked

"not all the guys participated", according ro Ahnold, "only the guys who don't mind fucking in front of other guys...."

[AP]

8. Some were embarassed by the uselessness of their steroid-induced shriveled

up pensises and testicles.

[Skittles]

14. I BEG TO DIFFER

it's difficult to tell what the feelings of the woman involved were because SURPRISE SURPRISE that f***ing bastard Arnold DOESN'T EVEN MENTION THEM. However it came about, his attitude towards women, black or non-black, is a f***ing DISGRACE.

[Dookus]

2. There is absolutely no evidence...

or even a CHARGE by anyone that there was a rape.

He did discuss being part of a group-sex "activity". But there's nothing to indicate it wasn't entirely consensual.

[NNN0LHI]

6. You are correct. Except if this were a Democrat all the details would...

...be needed to make absolutely sure. Starting with finding the woman and forcing her to testify even if she didn't want to. It would be only for the childrens sake of course though.

Don

[Bunny]

23. Bing Bing Bing

You are SO right! Oh I fear for the children! What will we tell the children?;-)

[blondeatlast]

34. What? The media are as fair to liberals as they are to Repugs.

Oh, wait, you're talking about the US media.

Never mind.

[AP]

10. ...except of the improbability of the circumstances described

by Arnold. "She walked in totally naked."

[ForrestGump]

11. Though it WAS the '70s...

In LA. Gold's Gym.

You never know.

[bearfartinthewoods]

55. if it actually happened...

and wasn't the equivalent of a "dear penthouse" letter, it could have been a hooker or it could have been any number of women who would jump on the opportunity to screw a bunch of very muscular men. is that so hard to believe? bodybuilders have groupies just like rock stars.

[Skittles]

15. F*** THAT

there was nothing to indicate it WASN'T EITHER. The point is, the feelings of the woman involved WERE NOT EVEN ALLUDED TO IN THE INTERVIEW, presumably because ARNOLD DIDN'T F***ING CARE WHAT THEY WERE.

[Dookus]

27. Well there are a few things to indicate that it wasn't...

Arnold didn't classify it as a rape.

As far as I know, no police complaint was filed.

As far as I know, the woman involved has never come forward to say it was a rape.

It's like saying because I said I had sex with my boyfriend last week, that there's a 50% likelihood that I raped him.

[blkgrl]

31. Only 53% of women report rape...

Back in the 70s that statistic was much lower.

[Dookus]

33. There is still

not a single piece of evidence, or even an assertion, that a rape was committed.

[Skittles]

52. OMG

you truly DON'T GET IT

[delhurgo]

3. It may have not even been a gang bang.

He now says that he said outrageous things back then in an effort to publicise bodybuilding, suggesting that he may have just made it up. If there was an actual rape though, I have no doubt the victim would have long since come forward seeking justice or a huge payoff.

I must say that I'm just as uncomfortable with this smearing of Arnold on personal matters as I was with Clinton. Arnold himself said back then that he was embarassed about the way republicans politicised the Lewinsky matter.

I'm sure I'm in the minortiy here, but I like Arnold. I like his socially liberal, fiscally conservative politics - and I'd probably vote for him if I lived in California.

[Skittles]

17. HE'S A DISGUSTING PIG

I f***ing hope you ARE in the minority here.

[Jackie97]

21. I wouldn't be so sure of that.

"If there was an actual rape though, I have no doubt the victim would have long since come forward seeking justice or a huge payoff."

While a woman may possibly get a payoff from the guy, she may also come out with nothing. In any case, she probably would be portrayed as simply a slut trying to smear Arnold. Her reputation would be ruined probably. It might not be worth the trouble for a woman.

[blondeatlast]

41. What he has SAID to the media is fair game--this dirt is as

public as it can be.

No respect; the man's conduct is all I need to see, and believe me, I'm no prude. But lack of good judgment in conducting one's personal life doesn't speak well to his ability to govern the most populous state.

[Scairp]

5. We cannot be hypocrites here

I think most Dems were pissed off (I know I was, still am really)and thought it was wrong that our president was impeached because of sex, so we can't now use Arnold's sexual indiscrimination against him as a reason that he should not be governor of California. His serious lack of experience is good enough, along with the fact that he has not really articulated his plan to try and fix the economy or any other problems, and that should be the argument not his past sexual activities. Remember, we are the party of the Good, and the Repubs are the Party of the Hypocrites. For all we know, Arnold is telling the truth when he said he made up this story for a sex magazine to promote his movie.

[noiretextatique]

7. take the high road?

not on your life...fight fire with fire, imho.

[Terwilliger]

9. well, there would have been a HUGE difference in this case

if AHHnold had been accused of rape, it would have been a HELL of a lot different than marital infidelity

A HELL of a lot different.

[Scairp]

13. I don't agree

We are better than they are. They used sex to try and get rid of a Democratic president. If Arnold's sexual past is used as a good reason to not vote for him then we are no better than the likes of that Coutler broad or Fat-ass Rush.

[noiretextatique]

18. well...rape is a lot different than consensual sex

in that it is actually a crime. that is, of course, if the allegations are true. and i do think the republican penchant for finger-pointing at democrats, while doing the very thing they decry, needs to be exposed as the hypocrisy it is.

[bearfartinthewoods]

56. the only "allegations" i've seen so far came from the thread originator

and it seems more like wishful thinking than anything else.

[noiretextatique]

24. it's the hypocrisy...the party of 'family values'

deserves to be held to the standards they set for others

[blondeatlast]

36. Amen, sister!

Good Lord, how often did we hear about Bill Clinton's admission of using giggle-weed in the 60s? The horror!

Anything he has SAID to the media (especially if he knew it was the media--and he clearly did) is fair game.

Rape or no rape, public group sex doesn't speak to a level of judgment I want in my governor.

But then, I don't live in California.

[noiretextatique]

37. correction: sister

:hi: la femme noiretblu :hi:

on edit...i see you edited already :D

[blondeatlast]

42. Sorry--slip of the, er, fingers!

[Terwilliger]

54. not in this case

You can shout all day about his sexism, and even the grab-ass he's been doing to reporters and people he may have worked with. There's no way you can say he raped someone. And, in fact, playing this up without any proof will just get it spun into a "campaign of hatred" by Democrats.

The subject of this thread comes from an alleged sexual incident with a very possibly fictitious woman.

By the way? "We are better than they are" will not earn you any support.

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[Scairp]

20. You're right Gayle

I'm sure they would be. That's precisely the reason that we should ignore this story.

[blkgrl]

25. Rape should never be ignored...

If it came out that Clinton really raped someone then I would want him to be held accountable as well.

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[Terwilliger]

53. smell a couple of freepers where?

[blkgrl]

12. I don't like cheaters, but I loathe RAPISTS

In a sense, I think it was rape, regardless of whether or not the girl consented. Think about it, a woman who would allow such is obviously not in the correct state of mind: she may have been drugged, drunk, or mentally unstable. Either way, taking advantage of someone who is powerless is, in a sense, rape-statuatory rape.

[Dookus]

29. I know a number of women

who would adamantly disagree that they're not capable of making the conscious decision to engage in group sex.

It's sexist to think that any woman who makes such a decision is unstable.

[blkgrl]

32. group sex is one thing

But a gang bang in a gym locker room is something totally different.

[Dookus]

35. ?

I see no difference. "Group sex" doesn't imply a location.

[Yupster]

51. Could have been

a groupie. Or even a prostitute? Who knows?

[Skittles]

19. so it's COOL because he is a LIAR????????????????????

PLEASE

[mmm]

45. Then again it could have been rape

plain and simple

[blondeatlast]

44. What does that say about the man?

For all we know, Arnold is telling the truth when he said he made up this story for a sex magazine to promote his movie.

If you are running for office, what is SAID VOLUNTARILYTO THE PRESS should be fair game, regardless of why it was said.

[Cappurr]

22. Let me note something....

Gloria Alred is without a doubt the biggest media whore attorney that practices in this country (altho why she still has a licence I'll never know). She contacted LA Child Protective Services when Michael Jackson held his baby over the balcony in Germany (as if LA would have any jurisdiction even if it were abuse). Then, of course, she went on all the talk shows to talk about it. Of course she represented Nicole Brown's sister another real loser who was out to make money off her dead sister's name. And Gloria went on all the talk shows to talk about it. Now, of course, she represents Scott Peterson's girlfriend and she is on all the talk shows talking about it. She has been terribly irresponsible with the things she has said on these shows in light of the judges gag order.

She will take up any "cause" if it will get her pubicity. Hence and 25 year old alleged gang bang which was probably an orgy if it happened at all.

I don't particularly like Swartnegger....just can't take him seriously. But I like Alred a lot less.

[Skittles]

26. ya know Cappurr

when Nicole Simpson was killed, I felt so, so sorry for her when I realized she didn't have not one good, true friend in her life. Even her own sisters sold her out. That was extremely upsetting.

[Cappurr]

28. Yep...

Her sister was a disgrace.

[noiretextatique]

30. she really was a disgrace...it was very sad

to see her so intent on making money (and fame) from her sister's tragic death. it really bothered me...it still does.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

39. As a former Californian, I say anyone who votes for Arnold is a disgrace

that's all. I would vote No Recall/Yes Bustamante or that Green party guy if I was feeling pissed.

[Dookus]

40. well...

I DO live in California, and I WILL be voting NO on recall, YES on Bustamante.

[noiretextatique]

43. amen...the bozos who will vote for a b-actor

will be outnumbered by the rest of us. and i sincerely pray that the recall is renender moot, effectively ending this pathetic circus.

[blondeatlast]

46. Clarification, people.

Just because it wasn't reported doesn't mean it wasn't a rape. The only person who REALLY can claim if it was rape or not is the victim, ewhether the victim claims it or not.

Dictionary.com

1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
2. The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
3. Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.

[arcos]

47. victim = rape...

why do you use the term victim if you are not 100% sure it was a rape?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

48. She made clear the distinction she was defining

and in that distinction the one perpetrated against would be described as a victim.

The hair splitting on this make me wish to :puke:

I have no idea whether Arnold is a rapist but I am 100% certain he is a fucking pig. That's enough for me.

[blondeatlast]

50. It's an uphill battle, NSMA, but I shall climb until I reach

or fall painfully off.

[blondeatlast]

49. Your subject line said it: victim=rape.

"you are not 100% sure it was a rape?" I think the victim knows.

My point is this: it doesn't matter if I, you, Arnold S. or the cops think it was a rape. I've known a couple of women who were raped but didn't report it. They were raped, whether they reported it or not (from their descriptions, they clearly were).