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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:36 PM
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Is this a reliable source ? Claim about Joe Wilson
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/11334


Wilson: Plame Not Clandestine When Novak Wrote Story
Posted by James Joyner at 12:55

Former Ambassador Joseph Wilson acknowledges in a CNN interview that, "My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity."

Rove Learned CIA Agent's Name From Novak (Newsday)

Chief presidential adviser Karl Rove testified to a grand jury that he talked with two journalists before they divulged the identity of an undercover CIA officer but that he originally learned about the operative from the news media and not government sources, according to a person briefed on the testimony. The person, who works in the legal profession and spoke only on condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy, told The Associated Press that Rove testified last year that he remembers specifically being told by columnist Robert Novak that Valerie Plame, the wife of a harsh Iraq war critic, worked for the CIA.

Rove testified that Novak originally called him the Tuesday before Plame's identity was revealed in July 2003 to discuss another story. The conversation eventually turned to Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador who was strongly criticizing the Bush administration's use of faulty intelligence to justify the war in Iraq, the person said.

<...>

In an interview on CNN earlier Thursday before the latest revelation, Wilson kept up his criticism of the White House, saying Rove's conduct was an "outrageous abuse of power ... certainly worthy of frog-marching out of the White House." But at the same time, Wilson acknowledged his wife was no longer in an undercover job at the time Novak's column first identified her. "My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity," he said.

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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:38 PM
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1. Not reliable.
CIA has already stated, on the record, that she was covert on that day.
So this has been falsified.
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:38 PM
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2. doesn't matter
she was put at risk, as well as anyone connected to her, or her cover company while investigating wmd's.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:39 PM
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3. Don't you think that this sounds a little "Out of Context?"
In other words, Wilson is most likely saying that Plame was no longer undercover BECAUSE Novak's article BLEW HER COVER.

This to me sounds like Ken Mehlman twisting and parsing.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:35 PM
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16. That's how I took it.
Half the quotes I've seen about this sound skewed, fuzzy, or out of context, and they're always taken to produce the most political gain for the quoter.

Danged irritating, if you ask me.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:39 PM
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4. Heard One Of Plame's Ex Coworkers On Ed Schultz Yesterday
He was saying that the way it usually works is you have actual jobs for weeks or months or years and then you're sent out on assignment....the fact that she was not covert ON THAT DAY doesn't change the fact that she was set up for it, had done covert work in the past, would do it again as assigned and the company she worked for was also outed as a CIA front by Novak.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:41 PM
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6. Quite true -- also remember
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 12:42 PM by gkhouston
that it wasn't just Plame that was compromised, but her front company and all the contacts she'd established over the years. So even if she'd retired from the CIA (which she hadn't), it still wouldn't have been okay to blow her cover; the network she'd been part of was still in place.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:40 PM
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5. Unreliable. OutsideTheBeltway is in the same league as
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 12:40 PM by DinahMoeHum
WorldNetDaily.


:evilfrown:
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:44 PM
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7. I heard Wilson say it, he was clear it was because of Novak
that his wife was no longer undercover.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:47 PM
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8. If she wasn't undercover, do you think
the CIA would have requested an investigation to find out who blew her cover? What Joe meant was that the minute her cover was blown she was no longer undercover.
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:52 PM
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9. Its inconsequential
even if it is true because it outs her entire front company and contact network was outed because she waw linked to them. Besides doesn't the statute state that being a covert operative for 5 years dictates the case?

Besides.... there is reason to believe that Wilson/Plame is a red herring... the target was Brewster Jennings?
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:53 PM
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10. Thanks for your input everyone. I figured this site was bull***
I also posted it to give everyone an FYI about RW talking points.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:55 PM
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11. If it weren't for rove/novak we wouldn't know who Valerie Plame
was/is to this day. I think that should settle the issue.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:55 PM
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12. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG
that is all I have to say...
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:56 PM
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13. Yes, it's reliable because WH staffers outed her before Novak's article
It's true that Plame was not undercover when Novak's article was written. That's because she was already outed by White House staffers who leaked her name to 8 reporters in the weeks prior to Novak's article.

Reporter David Gregory said last night that government officials confirmed to him that Plame was undercover when the White House outed her name. See audio link. Go about 8 minutes (I think?) into the audio clip for David's report....

http://podcast.msnbc.com/audio/podcast/nightly-07-14-2005-165539.mp3
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:03 PM
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14. That is what the despicable Victoria Toensing and Joe DeGenova
have been saying also as part of the dis-reality program. They are only going to convince the right wing faithful.

In the list of the top ten talking points that the right wing is supposed to use - this is #1 or near #1.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:24 PM
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15. Victoria Toensing and Joe DeGenova???
We can thank the "effing" OJ Trial for allowing these vermon to "darken our doorways"!!!
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:07 PM
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17. View this DU thread - Wilson Clarified, means that Novak BLEW HER COVER
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:23 PM
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18. AP corrects this IDIOCY finally
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